New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 3)

New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 3)

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Byker28i

62,971 posts

220 months

Thursday 30th May
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Jon39 said:

Even the motoring journalists seem have lost interest now.

Uncle Les enjoyed being interviewed regularly, so that he could keep the expectant world informed about the additional models under development, the latest news about his new friends from uncertain businesses ready to provide funds to TVR, and about progress at the production facility in Wales.

Unfortunately, the development car fleet has encountered problems with fouled spark plugs. Having to drive on the roads near the factory at 20 mph is not suitable for high powered engines. Les has now realised that Wales is a totally unsuitable country for vehicle assembly, so a new plan is being devised to establish the feasibility of using a spare room at a solicitors office in Surrey. Change of address for various TVR companies is being arranged, as work commences on this new exciting plan.

The motoring journalists need to interview Mr Edgar again, to find out about this new phase of the TVR revival.
What happened to the Thruxton location? biggrin

Byker28i

62,971 posts

220 months

Thursday 30th May
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Jon39 said:

One of your laps was one minute, but traffic slowed you on most laps in the film.
Good fun though.

Your TVR seems to have a Porsche steering wheel. - smile
Short circuit - stayed behind for the filming?

The Three D Mucketeer

6,028 posts

230 months

Thursday 30th May
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Viper201 said:
phazed said:
As there isn’t any gardening news today, how about this little video of the TVR car club track day at Brands Hatch yesterday.

I am following Stuart, MK1fan in his Tamora plus lots of other TVR‘s later in the video.

Should have used an external mic due to the wind noise with roof off.

https://youtu.be/3-vI-rU0gGY?si=m55r4J5qcTXWi5Aq
They drive faster than that in Audis in Bradford biglaugh
That's probably because they've been stolen hehe

Tazar

507 posts

195 months

Sunday 9th June
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Does anyone know what the Directors of the various TVR companies do in their working days except moving offices or renaming companies? What’s the Cayman Islands thing?
Do any of the companies initially involved such as Gordon Murray still have anything to do with them or have they disassociated themselves?

Viper201

7,953 posts

146 months

Sunday 9th June
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Mr Edgar is a very busy man. He runs his country house hotel and golf club in deepest Surrey. He also finds time to run his dairy farm nearby and if you have watched Clarkson's farm you will realise how much work there is with farming. Oh, and he is the part-time chairman of a diddly squat car company apparently.

The number two in the little car company is a senior partner in a firm of solicitors who likes to race his old TVR.

Another is the owner of the Hotel Du France near Le Mans.

There is a heritage director and some others with amazing CVs who have built up companies then successfully sold them.

And there is a helicopter pilot.

Plus the man with the money, Mr Daniel Layton, an American, the boss of Ensorcia Metals with the Cayman connection.

So I'm not sure where they'd find the time to glue bits of carbon together even if they had some money.....

GTRene

17,155 posts

227 months

Sunday 9th June
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when will they sell the TVR name and so on, lets say for 1 pound.

such a shame the name is not been used to build new cars.

better to sell it and build some old new ones, but then upgraded with the right goodies and sell them not by the thousands, but for the ones who ordered such with each their own specifications, build on order and make some nice examples so customers can drool over those to order theirs.


and if that goes so good after a few years, and some new ideas for low production of really new born special TVR's (made in some corner in spare time?) can come to light (again build to order) then you can keep it alive under the right conditions, keep it small, over seeable.

crosseyedlion

2,190 posts

201 months

Monday 10th June
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GTRene said:
when will they sell the TVR name and so on, lets say for 1 pound.

such a shame the name is not been used to build new cars.

better to sell it and build some old new ones, but then upgraded with the right goodies and sell them not by the thousands, but for the ones who ordered such with each their own specifications, build on order and make some nice examples so customers can drool over those to order theirs.


and if that goes so good after a few years, and some new ideas for low production of really new born special TVR's (made in some corner in spare time?) can come to light (again build to order) then you can keep it alive under the right conditions, keep it small, over seeable.
Que commenters saying 'not possible, it would never be allowed to sell due to emissions/safety etc....' or 'all the moulds where scrapped' - both misinformed. Absolutely possible - production volumes just have to be kept low. Unfortunately too low to deliver an effective return on the money that has been thrown at it.

Ultimately they've had too much money and too little technical understanding of the automotive industry. Due to the way legislation works and the price point of TVR Its put them in a weird twilight zone.
To make it work you either need a couple of million and ambitions to sell up to 250 cars a year. Or 100s of millions and mass production.

Penrhyn

686 posts

101 months

Monday 10th June
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These people have recreated the Ford Escort. All of their cars are handmade in North Wales. So they have done it, maybe the same could happen for TVR.

Enjoy

https://mst-cars.com/

GTRene

17,155 posts

227 months

Monday 10th June
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Penrhyn said:
These people have recreated the Ford Escort. All of their cars are handmade in North Wales. So they have done it, maybe the same could happen for TVR.

Enjoy

https://mst-cars.com/
yes, very nice those Escorts,

also this compagnie does that, but then ala TVR cars, great stuf also >

https://www.retroracecar.com/

Viper201

7,953 posts

146 months

Monday 10th June
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crosseyedlion said:
Que commenters saying 'not possible, it would never be allowed to sell due to emissions/safety etc....' or 'all the moulds where scrapped' - both misinformed. Absolutely possible - production volumes just have to be kept low. Unfortunately too low to deliver an effective return on the money that has been thrown at it.

Ultimately they've had too much money and too little technical understanding of the automotive industry. Due to the way legislation works and the price point of TVR Its put them in a weird twilight zone.
To make it work you either need a couple of million and ambitions to sell up to 250 cars a year. Or 100s of millions and mass production.
In one set of accounts they said they would do a 100 car series if they could not go ahead with full production. These were to be for the track and the profit they would make would help start the main Griffith production. Never heard about it again.

@ Penrhyn - those Escorts..... cloud9claplove

Zeb74

387 posts

132 months

Monday 10th June
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Penrhyn said:
These people have recreated the Ford Escort. All of their cars are handmade in North Wales. So they have done it, maybe the same could happen for TVR.

Enjoy

https://mst-cars.com/
Or the Kimaera, the Lancia Delta 3 doors, the Alfa GTA... But those cars are sold for a lot of money. I'm not saying that this doesn't worth it. They are to mainstream cars what a Panerai is to a Casio watch, and the company needs to do a huge benefit on each of them to be profitable.
Would enough buyers put 200.000 into a TVR re-creation? The price of a Sagaris in 2004 (50k) is now equivalent to 100k, already a lot of money (without taking in account crazy road taxes like in Netherlands or France).
We may have to admit that in Europe, this market is almost dead. And outside, in Asia, people do not really care.

The Three D Mucketeer

6,028 posts

230 months

Monday 10th June
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What's even worse is (according to Advert in SPRINT) , he owns the words TVR and TVR POWER , I guess that means in future I have to say "I own a Sportscar built in Blackpool and not a ***" .
Next he'll claim he owns the letters T and V and R , kids spelling is bad enough now , but how will they cope with 3 letters they can't use jester

QBee

21,189 posts

147 months

Monday 10th June
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The Three D Mucketeer said:
What's even worse is (according to Advert in SPRINT) , he owns the words TVR and TVR POWER , I guess that means in future I have to say "I own a Sportscar built in Blackpool and not a ***" .
Next he'll claim he owns the letters T and V and R , kids spelling is bad enough now , but how will they cope with 3 letters they can't use jester
No ey well, I hink.

GTRene

17,155 posts

227 months

Monday 10th June
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maybe they can call the new born old 'look' TreVoR

if the TVR name does not come free.

Viper201

7,953 posts

146 months

Friday 14th June
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To the poster who asked some questions a little while back, this is taken from Evo magazine in Dec 2023 and June 2022. Nothing new but maybe answers your questions.

"There is also a question mark over TVR being able to use Gordon Murray's iStream technology, following the sale of Gordon Murray Technologies earlier this year to the Abu Dhabi investment group CYVN Holdings. In 2023 the specialist mobility investment company also injected $2.2bn into Chinese electric vehicle maker Nio.

Following the news from Wales, TVR issued a statement to announce it is to open a 'European Development and Brand Centre' at Thruxton motoring racing circuit in Hampshire. This new Thruxton facility will replace TVR's current facilities in Surrey, although no time frame has been given for when TVR plan to move in."

"A source at GMA has subsequently confirmed to Evo that no one from TVR has made contact with them regarding production of the new Griffith."

GeneralBanter

931 posts

18 months

Saturday 15th June
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Viper201 said:
To the poster who asked some questions a little while back, this is taken from Evo magazine in Dec 2023 and June 2022. Nothing new but maybe answers your questions.

"There is also a question mark over TVR being able to use Gordon Murray's iStream technology, following the sale of Gordon Murray Technologies earlier this year to the Abu Dhabi investment group CYVN Holdings. In 2023 the specialist mobility investment company also injected $2.2bn into Chinese electric vehicle maker Nio.

Following the news from Wales, TVR issued a statement to announce it is to open a 'European Development and Brand Centre' at Thruxton motoring racing circuit in Hampshire. This new Thruxton facility will replace TVR's current facilities in Surrey, although no time frame has been given for when TVR plan to move in."

"A source at GMA has subsequently confirmed to Evo that no one from TVR has made contact with them regarding production of the new Griffith."

New Thruxton Facility = an idea that no one’s done anything with and I doubt owners or landlords at Thruxton have even had a serious enquiry.

On the same basis I shall be opening a Brands Hatch facility to restart production of the Bugatti T34. No time frame yet.

Viper201

7,953 posts

146 months

Saturday 15th June
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Bugatti? Where can I place my deposit please?


Jon39

12,996 posts

146 months

Wednesday 26th June
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Viper201 said:
... is to open a 'European Development and Brand Centre' at Thruxton motoring racing circuit in Hampshire.
This new Thruxton facility will replace TVR's current facilities in Surrey ...

What do the 'current facilities in Surrey' consist of ?

Their grandly named 'European Development and Brand Centre' at Thruxton, was being tested this week, but unfortunately a delay is now inevitable. TVR are used to delays, so that will not be a problem, but Jones Brothers (by appointment to TVR) have red flagged the new building, because it may not be fully waterproof. Something wrong with the roof (not again). As it has been named European, the European Union in Brussels will have to be consulted about many kinds of building regulations, sub-regulations and treaties. They are too busy at present to deal with TVR, because their tariffs on Chinese battery cars are about to cause a huge rumpus. The EU had no expectation that the Chinese would retaliate, but the German car industry are in a flap and have explained to the EU how international commerce works.





Penrhyn

686 posts

101 months

Thursday 27th June
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GTRene said:
when will they sell the TVR name and so on, lets say for 1 pound. .
Mr Edgar will be looking for a much larger sum than that, but of course its only worth what someones willing to pay for it.

All those years have been wasted, waiting for the new V8 Grif, sadly l think time is running out.

Viper201

7,953 posts

146 months

Thursday 27th June
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Jon39 said:

What do the 'current facilities in Surrey' consist of ?

Their grandly named 'European Development and Brand Centre' at Thruxton, was being tested this week, but unfortunately a delay is now inevitable. TVR are used to delays, so that will not be a problem, but Jones Brothers (by appointment to TVR) have red flagged the new building, because it may not be fully waterproof. Something wrong with the roof (not again). As it has been named European, the European Union in Brussels will have to be consulted about many kinds of building regulations, sub-regulations and treaties. They are too busy at present to deal with TVR, because their tariffs on Chinese battery cars are about to cause a huge rumpus. The EU had no expectation that the Chinese would retaliate, but the German car industry are in a flap and have explained to the EU how international commerce works.


These are the 'facilities' in Surrey.



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