New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 3)
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ReformedPistonhead said:
I remember when I saw this image in Autocar, put my deposit in, then saw the real thing which was not quite as elegant especially at the back.
Sad that it never went anywhere.
I remember seeing that and I thought myself about placing a deposit. So, glad I didn't, the actual car to me looked nothing like that picture also dated and awkward even back then so would not have tested the time today.Sad that it never went anywhere.
GeneralBanter said:
Another tale of lack of due diligence by the Welsh Govt and being conned into massive financial loss:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/spen...
You might remember that Ciner Glass, a Turkish company, was planning to build their huge glass bottle factory on waste land to the side of the once-many-moons-ago TVR factory. That process began 5 years ago and has still not been started although the company continues to promise it will. Sounds familiar... https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/spen...
No idea how much by way of an incentive the company is receiving from the Welsh Govt but it is in the Enterprise zone. If it does fall by the wayside the residents of Rassau will be completely demoralised. Again.
Viper201 said:
GeneralBanter said:
Another tale of lack of due diligence by the Welsh Govt and being conned into massive financial loss:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/spen...
You might remember that Ciner Glass, a Turkish company, was planning to build their huge glass bottle factory on waste land to the side of the once-many-moons-ago TVR factory. That process began 5 years ago and has still not been started although the company continues to promise it will. Sounds familiar... https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/spen...
No idea how much by way of an incentive the company is receiving from the Welsh Govt but it is in the Enterprise zone. If it does fall by the wayside the residents of Rassau will be completely demoralised. Again.
The problem for that area has always been poor access.
Below BBC reports on A465
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxn7rj27go
Another BBC report on train services
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68165498
Welsh gov have as you can see spent millions to improve access. But the fact remains companies do not find the area attractive.
All the half decent paid jobs are in Cardiff, though salaries are not a match for England land. Hence a lot of people moved out to better paid jobs.
Below BBC reports on A465
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dxn7rj27go
Another BBC report on train services
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68165498
Welsh gov have as you can see spent millions to improve access. But the fact remains companies do not find the area attractive.
All the half decent paid jobs are in Cardiff, though salaries are not a match for England land. Hence a lot of people moved out to better paid jobs.
Once you come off the m4 at junction 33 you soon hit Culverhouse Cross and then it is typically a bumper to bumper slog all the way to Cardiff Airport and on to St Athan.
Essentially it is a single lane road in and out of the entire east of the Vale of Glamorgan either via Culverhouse or Penarth/Dinas Powys, bottlenecked even further by bus and cycle lanes along the way that no one uses.
The Vale as typical with them have come up with some half arsed solutions that pretty much improve nothing in relation to speeding up travel time to the area. It is often comical to see the regular bus to the airport with not a soul on board.
What is amazing to think though is that numerous, vast airports appeared virtually overnight in the area during ww2, it must have been an engineering feat to have got all the materials and equipment down those roads at the time, on trucks that were only one step up from a horse and cart. No motorway or Severn bridge back then either, so it also had to go right through Cardiff.
Essentially it is a single lane road in and out of the entire east of the Vale of Glamorgan either via Culverhouse or Penarth/Dinas Powys, bottlenecked even further by bus and cycle lanes along the way that no one uses.
The Vale as typical with them have come up with some half arsed solutions that pretty much improve nothing in relation to speeding up travel time to the area. It is often comical to see the regular bus to the airport with not a soul on board.
What is amazing to think though is that numerous, vast airports appeared virtually overnight in the area during ww2, it must have been an engineering feat to have got all the materials and equipment down those roads at the time, on trucks that were only one step up from a horse and cart. No motorway or Severn bridge back then either, so it also had to go right through Cardiff.
Edited by PAUL.S. on Sunday 2nd February 22:07
PAUL.S. said:
Once you come off the m4 at junction 34 you soon hit Culverhouse Cross and then it is typically a bumper to bumper slog all the way to Cardiff Airport and on to St Athan.
Essentially it is a single lane road in and out of the entire east of the Vale of Glamorgan either via Culverhouse or Penarth/Dinas Powys, bottlenecked even further by bus and cycle lanes along the way that no one uses.
The Vale as typical with them have come up with some half arsed solutions that pretty much improve nothing in relation to speeding up travel time to the area. It is often comical to see the regular bus to the airport with not a soul on board.
What is amazing to think though is that numerous, vast airports appeared virtually overnight in the area during ww2, it must have been an engineering feat to have got all the materials and equipment down those roads at the time, on trucks that were only one step up from a horse and cart. No motorway or Severn bridge back then either, so it also had to go right through Cardiff.
Living in East Anglia it’s always amazed me how the USAF & RAF bases sprung up by the dozens in a year - each a huge feat of design construction and manpower at a time when horses were still a prominent agricultural tool. Must have been incredible to live through. Essentially it is a single lane road in and out of the entire east of the Vale of Glamorgan either via Culverhouse or Penarth/Dinas Powys, bottlenecked even further by bus and cycle lanes along the way that no one uses.
The Vale as typical with them have come up with some half arsed solutions that pretty much improve nothing in relation to speeding up travel time to the area. It is often comical to see the regular bus to the airport with not a soul on board.
What is amazing to think though is that numerous, vast airports appeared virtually overnight in the area during ww2, it must have been an engineering feat to have got all the materials and equipment down those roads at the time, on trucks that were only one step up from a horse and cart. No motorway or Severn bridge back then either, so it also had to go right through Cardiff.
Edited by PAUL.S. on Sunday 2nd February 12:17
The most amazing time to have been born would have been 1929 so a teenager seeing the war, and in your 30’s witnessing the sixties.
TwinKam said:
As is the AI voice. Over.
(See what I did there?)
As my conversation went with now ex wife went when I called her:(See what I did there?)
Me: are you coming back from your mothers I know you’re upset about my long hours at air traffic control but is there anything else?
Her: No, it’s all. Over.
GeneralBanter said:
TwinKam said:
As is the AI voice. Over.
(See what I did there?)
As my conversation went with now ex wife went when I called her:(See what I did there?)
Me: are you coming back from your mothers I know you’re upset about my long hours at air traffic control but is there anything else?
Her: No, it’s all. Over.
As there have been no public TVR announcements for, ahem, quite a long time now, in fact nothing since December 2023 when they shouted loudly about the Thruxton thingy, you might be forgiven for thinking they had quietly faded away.
It seems they haven't, well on paper anyway, as they have filed a number of Confirmation Statements at Companies House.
As for Ensorcia Metals, they have nothing new on their press page since 2021, much in keeping with 'new' TVR's tradition.
It seems they haven't, well on paper anyway, as they have filed a number of Confirmation Statements at Companies House.
As for Ensorcia Metals, they have nothing new on their press page since 2021, much in keeping with 'new' TVR's tradition.
The posts talking in amazement about the building of airfields in WW2 in South Wales and East Anglia may just be forgetting the very bsmall number of cars on the road and the effect of fuel rationing at the time.
In 1940 there were 1.3 million cars in the entire UK, and many of those had been commandeered by the military. Only 2,000 a year were being mnaufactured too. So traffic jams throiugh Cardiff would have been non-existant.
Most of the public used legs, bike, horse or public transport.
In 1940 there were 1.3 million cars in the entire UK, and many of those had been commandeered by the military. Only 2,000 a year were being mnaufactured too. So traffic jams throiugh Cardiff would have been non-existant.
Most of the public used legs, bike, horse or public transport.
QBee said:
The posts talking in amazement about the building of airfields in WW2 in South Wales and East Anglia may just be forgetting the very bsmall number of cars on the road and the effect of fuel rationing at the time.
In 1940 there were 1.3 million cars in the entire UK, and many of those had been commandeered by the military. Only 2,000 a year were being mnaufactured too. So traffic jams throiugh Cardiff would have been non-existant.
Most of the public used legs, bike, horse or public transport.
Pretty much how the Senedd sees wales returning with it's battle against carsIn 1940 there were 1.3 million cars in the entire UK, and many of those had been commandeered by the military. Only 2,000 a year were being mnaufactured too. So traffic jams throiugh Cardiff would have been non-existant.
Most of the public used legs, bike, horse or public transport.
South Wales was so poor even in the 1960’s and early 1970’s very few people owned cars.
I remember many occasions when visiting my grand parents ours was the only car in the whole village.
Buses were the major form of transport although my mum said the coal conveyer belts were how the kids went from town to town.
Old pit ponies was the other most reliable form of getting around and I remember many a summer month going off up the mountains with the local boys who would catch the wild ones and tame them.
That’s why they were also so good at Rugby
My nan walked everywhere and lived to a ripe old age.
I remember many occasions when visiting my grand parents ours was the only car in the whole village.
Buses were the major form of transport although my mum said the coal conveyer belts were how the kids went from town to town.
Old pit ponies was the other most reliable form of getting around and I remember many a summer month going off up the mountains with the local boys who would catch the wild ones and tame them.
That’s why they were also so good at Rugby
My nan walked everywhere and lived to a ripe old age.
QBee said:
The posts talking in amazement about the building of airfields in WW2 in South Wales and East Anglia may just be forgetting the very bsmall number of cars on the road and the effect of fuel rationing at the time.
In 1940 there were 1.3 million cars in the entire UK, and many of those had been commandeered by the military. Only 2,000 a year were being mnaufactured too. So traffic jams throiugh Cardiff would have been non-existant.
Most of the public used legs, bike, horse or public transport.
You have missed the point entirely, it's not the traffic that would have been in the way, but the sheer logistics of getting the huge components to build massive steel hangers through narrow roads originally built for just a horse and cart, to a destination many many miles away from where they are forged, all while there is a war going on! and not just building one such airbase but hundreds of them in a very narrow window of time in a small rainy windswept island where the main working male population is actually in some far flung country doing the same.In 1940 there were 1.3 million cars in the entire UK, and many of those had been commandeered by the military. Only 2,000 a year were being mnaufactured too. So traffic jams throiugh Cardiff would have been non-existant.
Most of the public used legs, bike, horse or public transport.
Building loads of these, just by using a lorry like this to get it all there from 30 plus miles away, getting to there via this road, yes quite a doddle
Edited by PAUL.S. on Thursday 13th February 11:38
TVR issued bonds through Audacia Capital based in Dublin in the (forlorn?) hope of raising £25 million. Those bonds expire at the end of April.
EuroRating gave the bonds a BB- rating but in May 2023 they changed the positive outlook to stable citing the lack of funds from Ensorcia. However, since then Ensorcia has provided TVR with funds, allegedly, which have been used to pay off debt including the Welsh Govt loan.
As the initial rating was assessed after consultation with TVR, it seems a bit remiss to not update EuroRating following Ensorcia's handout or the lack of progress in regard to the Welsh factory. Oh, but that would mean telling investors or potential investors that the funds have been swallowed up by debt repayments and that there is no factory.....
https://www.eurorating.com/files/200213198/file/20...
EuroRating gave the bonds a BB- rating but in May 2023 they changed the positive outlook to stable citing the lack of funds from Ensorcia. However, since then Ensorcia has provided TVR with funds, allegedly, which have been used to pay off debt including the Welsh Govt loan.
As the initial rating was assessed after consultation with TVR, it seems a bit remiss to not update EuroRating following Ensorcia's handout or the lack of progress in regard to the Welsh factory. Oh, but that would mean telling investors or potential investors that the funds have been swallowed up by debt repayments and that there is no factory.....
https://www.eurorating.com/files/200213198/file/20...
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