Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
SlimJim16v said:
But the same people who say this won't stay at home for those 2 days.
The ones who bought Edinburgh city bypass to a halt when about 2" of snow fell. Oddly my employer probably declined all seasons on a cost basis... yet three missed customer visits and the charges incurred would cover said tyres. I loath snow when working as I'm obliged to travel so I'm turn could very easily become part of the issue as my van is on ridiculous eco biased summer tyres. In reality, they give so little grip and confidence that even getting out my street is probably something I'd rather avoid.
Davie said:
The ones who bought Edinburgh city bypass to a halt when about 2" of snow fell. Oddly my employer probably declined all seasons on a cost basis... yet three missed customer visits and the charges incurred would cover said tyres.
I loath snow when working as I'm obliged to travel so I'm turn could very easily become part of the issue as my van is on ridiculous eco biased summer tyres. In reality, they give so little grip and confidence that even getting out my street is probably something I'd rather avoid.
What would he say if you told him what you wrote here?I loath snow when working as I'm obliged to travel so I'm turn could very easily become part of the issue as my van is on ridiculous eco biased summer tyres. In reality, they give so little grip and confidence that even getting out my street is probably something I'd rather avoid.
ST565NP said:
Davie said:
The ones who bought Edinburgh city bypass to a halt when about 2" of snow fell. Oddly my employer probably declined all seasons on a cost basis... yet three missed customer visits and the charges incurred would cover said tyres.
I loath snow when working as I'm obliged to travel so I'm turn could very easily become part of the issue as my van is on ridiculous eco biased summer tyres. In reality, they give so little grip and confidence that even getting out my street is probably something I'd rather avoid.
What would he say if you told him what you wrote here?I loath snow when working as I'm obliged to travel so I'm turn could very easily become part of the issue as my van is on ridiculous eco biased summer tyres. In reality, they give so little grip and confidence that even getting out my street is probably something I'd rather avoid.
Davie said:
The ones who bought Edinburgh city bypass to a halt when about 2" of snow fell. Oddly my employer probably declined all seasons on a cost basis... yet three missed customer visits and the charges incurred would cover said tyres.
I loath snow when working as I'm obliged to travel so I'm turn could very easily become part of the issue as my van is on ridiculous eco biased summer tyres. In reality, they give so little grip and confidence that even getting out my street is probably something I'd rather avoid.
Amazing the effect that putting something in writing has.I loath snow when working as I'm obliged to travel so I'm turn could very easily become part of the issue as my van is on ridiculous eco biased summer tyres. In reality, they give so little grip and confidence that even getting out my street is probably something I'd rather avoid.
Just a thought for you.
Many years ago our trucks of one make only came without driver control of the prime mover mid lift axles, in effect the tag axles would drop with only a minor load added and drive axle traction due to that became a bad joke, i composed a letter to management highlighting the issue (ie. trying to exit junctions with 60odd ft of truck that just wanted to wheelspin even on mildly damp surfaces being dangeous, snow not a chance), ran it past my steward and several colleagues including the union steward co signed the letter...it was sent up the chain and within a month the affected vehicles were retro fitted with manual dump valves which cured the problem.
Where i work now is a fleet of road tankers and other vehicles, our steer and drive axle tyres are mostly snowflake stamped all season rubber, as you would expect wet traction is the best i've experienced in some 48 years on trucks, the confidence that gives in poor weather cannot be overstated.
Smint said:
Amazing the effect that putting something in writing has.
It also documents that the issue has been raised so that if there are problems (like a crash in snow) in the future the company hasn’t got a leg to stand on. It’s well worth writing a nice letter and sending it to the people that could solve the issue, it’s likely that they’ve never really thought about it if no-one has highlighted the problem. Of course I’ve also worked for the sort of people that had it tough so any suggestions on improving safety or conditions are shot down. But if you don’t ask you’ll never know.
Speed addicted said:
Of course I’ve also worked for the sort of people that had it tough so any suggestions on improving safety or conditions are shot down. But if you don’t ask you’ll never know.
There is something odd about a large number of us Brits (& in a slightly different way the French) whereby those who've been shat on seem only too willing to see the process of s
tting on others continue so they can have company in their misery. Or worse, that they can then inflict it on others...I just don't get it...
bolidemichael said:
Something in Scottish, I’d wager.
Unlikely. Head office and all the associated safety and fleet teams are all based south of the border. The fleet is rather large, so yes the costs to roll out an all season tyre policy would be significant but given the size of the fleet, the subsequent costs due to vehicles not moving / not meeting targets / accident damage must also be significant. havoc said:
Speed addicted said:
Of course I’ve also worked for the sort of people that had it tough so any suggestions on improving safety or conditions are shot down. But if you don’t ask you’ll never know.
There is something odd about a large number of us Brits (& in a slightly different way the French) whereby those who've been shat on seem only too willing to see the process of stting on others continue so they can have company in their misery. Or worse, that they can then inflict it on others...I just don't get it...
xeny said:
It'd potentially put your tyres in fresh snow rather than slush which might help, and rather like switchbacks and hairpins on a mountain road, it effectively makes the hill less steep, so less grip required to make forward progress.
Also you are pivoting the car therefore moving a bit less mass in a forward direction.Chap who lived half way up the steep hill (never gritted) with a Peug 106 had it right, he'd simply reverse up the hill when it snowed making the vehicle right wheel drive hence no issues with progress.
The only FWD car i've found to be unstoppable in snow was an old 2200 Landcrab (to be fair daughter's 106 on Quatracs was very good), the engine/box of the 2200 was so damned heavy that re-inforced tyres were actually specified, much prefer RWD if only two wheels are driven, you can chuck some weight in the boot to aid progress which you can't really do with wrong wheel drive unless you lob some slabs on the bonnet.
The only FWD car i've found to be unstoppable in snow was an old 2200 Landcrab (to be fair daughter's 106 on Quatracs was very good), the engine/box of the 2200 was so damned heavy that re-inforced tyres were actually specified, much prefer RWD if only two wheels are driven, you can chuck some weight in the boot to aid progress which you can't really do with wrong wheel drive unless you lob some slabs on the bonnet.
Smint said:
Chap who lived half way up the steep hill (never gritted) with a Peug 106 had it right, he'd simply reverse up the hill when it snowed making the vehicle right wheel drive hence no issues with progress.
The only FWD car i've found to be unstoppable in snow was an old 2200 Landcrab (to be fair daughter's 106 on Quatracs was very good), the engine/box of the 2200 was so damned heavy that re-inforced tyres were actually specified, much prefer RWD if only two wheels are driven, you can chuck some weight in the boot to aid progress which you can't really do with wrong wheel drive unless you lob some slabs on the bonnet.
Going back years, old Fiesta's were great. Only moment I can recall was sliding across an icy junction which surprised me a bit. I then realised that the initial braking had locked the fronts and stalled the engine. Wife had a Honda Jazz through the bad 2009 and 2010 winters and that never gave a moments concern.The only FWD car i've found to be unstoppable in snow was an old 2200 Landcrab (to be fair daughter's 106 on Quatracs was very good), the engine/box of the 2200 was so damned heavy that re-inforced tyres were actually specified, much prefer RWD if only two wheels are driven, you can chuck some weight in the boot to aid progress which you can't really do with wrong wheel drive unless you lob some slabs on the bonnet.
I guess today's versions of those cars wouldn't probably struggle due to being on daft sized tyres.
Sheepshanks said:
Going back years, old Fiesta's were great. Only moment I can recall was sliding across an icy junction which surprised me a bit. I then realised that the initial braking had locked the fronts and stalled the engine. Wife had a Honda Jazz through the bad 2009 and 2010 winters and that never gave a moments concern.
I guess today's versions of those cars wouldn't probably struggle due to being on daft sized tyres.
Tyre size, agree makes all the difference.I guess today's versions of those cars wouldn't probably struggle due to being on daft sized tyres.
Every now and then i used to ferry MINIS out of Cowley to So'ton docks, one winter's day there's around 6" snow, whilst they'd salted and semi cleared the transporter loading pad the load lanes themselves were already stacked with cars before the snow fell hence no chance to treat or clear the snow.
An object lesson in how different tyre sizes and types behaved, the lower spec models on narrower normal pattern tyres had no trouble moving around, the sporty models on wide low profiles invariably straight tread patterns would sit and spin, the only way to get them to the truck was by reversing them.
Can anyone advise of all season tyre options I might be missing in 225/35/19?
All I can find are these- https://www.mytyres.co.uk/search?sortCode=none&...
A couple of decent options (Vredestein Quatrac Pro+ likely the obvious one) but none are top end options.
We're away to look at a Golf GTI tomorrow and the 19" wheels it comes on seem to be this oddball size when it comes to all seasons, not ideal!
All I can find are these- https://www.mytyres.co.uk/search?sortCode=none&...
A couple of decent options (Vredestein Quatrac Pro+ likely the obvious one) but none are top end options.
We're away to look at a Golf GTI tomorrow and the 19" wheels it comes on seem to be this oddball size when it comes to all seasons, not ideal!
Edited by Patrick Bateman on Friday 13th December 12:38
Whilst on a relatively normal size when compared with 35 aspect 19", ie 215/55 x 17, the Quatrac Pros fitted this summer to our Forester are proving excellent, unexpected bonus of quiet and soft ride.
Daughter's cars sat on earlier versions of Quatracs in the past, which i am sure helped keep them out of the scenery when still fairly inexperienced, alway had good service from Vreds of all types.
Daughter's cars sat on earlier versions of Quatracs in the past, which i am sure helped keep them out of the scenery when still fairly inexperienced, alway had good service from Vreds of all types.
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