Winter tyres vol 2
Discussion
Gad-Westy said:
E-bmw said:
I must admit, I haven't data-checked this as without your size or specific tyre list I can't really.
Having said that:
WRT winter tyre performance in summer, I would have thought good ones were closer to summer than you seem to be suggesting.
WRT wear on winters in summer, I wouldn't have thought a Panda would really be pushing the tyres enough for this to be an issue.
If it were my "winter runabout" I would fit good winters & be dammed.
I think the trouble is that although the car probably wouldn't have been bought at all if wasn't for a need to keep moving in snowy/icy weather, the reality is that the vast majority of the time, we have neither of those things and the car will be used for bits and bobs all year round. Picked the car up this morning. It's on some cheapo 'run(a)way' tyres at present. It's funny though, even on those, it absolutely flew up our hill so traction is not a problem. Steering and braking, ermmm, not so great. No decision made yet and I've appreciated everyone's input. Probably still slightly more leaning towards AS tyres but there is that slight temptation to just make a if a full winter weapon. Two sets of wheels is out of the question. Having said that:
WRT winter tyre performance in summer, I would have thought good ones were closer to summer than you seem to be suggesting.
WRT wear on winters in summer, I wouldn't have thought a Panda would really be pushing the tyres enough for this to be an issue.
If it were my "winter runabout" I would fit good winters & be dammed.
Patrick Bateman said:
Gad-Westy said:
E-bmw said:
I must admit, I haven't data-checked this as without your size or specific tyre list I can't really.
Having said that:
WRT winter tyre performance in summer, I would have thought good ones were closer to summer than you seem to be suggesting.
WRT wear on winters in summer, I wouldn't have thought a Panda would really be pushing the tyres enough for this to be an issue.
If it were my "winter runabout" I would fit good winters & be dammed.
I think the trouble is that although the car probably wouldn't have been bought at all if wasn't for a need to keep moving in snowy/icy weather, the reality is that the vast majority of the time, we have neither of those things and the car will be used for bits and bobs all year round. Picked the car up this morning. It's on some cheapo 'run(a)way' tyres at present. It's funny though, even on those, it absolutely flew up our hill so traction is not a problem. Steering and braking, ermmm, not so great. No decision made yet and I've appreciated everyone's input. Probably still slightly more leaning towards AS tyres but there is that slight temptation to just make a if a full winter weapon. Two sets of wheels is out of the question. Having said that:
WRT winter tyre performance in summer, I would have thought good ones were closer to summer than you seem to be suggesting.
WRT wear on winters in summer, I wouldn't have thought a Panda would really be pushing the tyres enough for this to be an issue.
If it were my "winter runabout" I would fit good winters & be dammed.
bolidemichael said:
Patrick Bateman said:
Gad-Westy said:
E-bmw said:
I must admit, I haven't data-checked this as without your size or specific tyre list I can't really.
Having said that:
WRT winter tyre performance in summer, I would have thought good ones were closer to summer than you seem to be suggesting.
WRT wear on winters in summer, I wouldn't have thought a Panda would really be pushing the tyres enough for this to be an issue.
If it were my "winter runabout" I would fit good winters & be dammed.
I think the trouble is that although the car probably wouldn't have been bought at all if wasn't for a need to keep moving in snowy/icy weather, the reality is that the vast majority of the time, we have neither of those things and the car will be used for bits and bobs all year round. Picked the car up this morning. It's on some cheapo 'run(a)way' tyres at present. It's funny though, even on those, it absolutely flew up our hill so traction is not a problem. Steering and braking, ermmm, not so great. No decision made yet and I've appreciated everyone's input. Probably still slightly more leaning towards AS tyres but there is that slight temptation to just make a if a full winter weapon. Two sets of wheels is out of the question. Having said that:
WRT winter tyre performance in summer, I would have thought good ones were closer to summer than you seem to be suggesting.
WRT wear on winters in summer, I wouldn't have thought a Panda would really be pushing the tyres enough for this to be an issue.
If it were my "winter runabout" I would fit good winters & be dammed.
Patrick Bateman said:
bolidemichael said:
Patrick Bateman said:
Gad-Westy said:
E-bmw said:
I must admit, I haven't data-checked this as without your size or specific tyre list I can't really.
Having said that:
WRT winter tyre performance in summer, I would have thought good ones were closer to summer than you seem to be suggesting.
WRT wear on winters in summer, I wouldn't have thought a Panda would really be pushing the tyres enough for this to be an issue.
If it were my "winter runabout" I would fit good winters & be dammed.
I think the trouble is that although the car probably wouldn't have been bought at all if wasn't for a need to keep moving in snowy/icy weather, the reality is that the vast majority of the time, we have neither of those things and the car will be used for bits and bobs all year round. Picked the car up this morning. It's on some cheapo 'run(a)way' tyres at present. It's funny though, even on those, it absolutely flew up our hill so traction is not a problem. Steering and braking, ermmm, not so great. No decision made yet and I've appreciated everyone's input. Probably still slightly more leaning towards AS tyres but there is that slight temptation to just make a if a full winter weapon. Two sets of wheels is out of the question. Having said that:
WRT winter tyre performance in summer, I would have thought good ones were closer to summer than you seem to be suggesting.
WRT wear on winters in summer, I wouldn't have thought a Panda would really be pushing the tyres enough for this to be an issue.
If it were my "winter runabout" I would fit good winters & be dammed.
Bear in mind that we're debating tyres for a Panda 4x4. Either choice is going to be fine and keep mobile through winter. They have a roly-poly charm, but will never be the last word in terms of sharp handling. I chose AS because we use it throughout the year for school runs etc and put at least 10k miles on. If we'd bought it purely for winter mobility, then I'd have fitted winters, knowing that it would still be fine for summer use.
Winter tyres coming off the car today (Continental Winter Contact TS 870].
Was holding out as it isn’t unheard of to get a late blast of snow round these parts but temperatures have been pretty consistently rising and above 7 degrees c but the time I’m in the road these last couple of weeks.
Not a lot of snow this year but plenty frosty mornings on the short commute to work. I’m in a rural area so the roads often aren’t well treated.
Was holding out as it isn’t unheard of to get a late blast of snow round these parts but temperatures have been pretty consistently rising and above 7 degrees c but the time I’m in the road these last couple of weeks.
Not a lot of snow this year but plenty frosty mornings on the short commute to work. I’m in a rural area so the roads often aren’t well treated.
I'm going to try and take my summer wheels down to the garage today to see if they're actually round. Hopefully they've just lost some weights and need a balance.
If they're in a bad state, I'm really thinking of just sticking with my 4 seasons year round. I went Hankook Kinergy 4S2 rather than a full winter and I can't honestly tell they're not a 'normal' tyres - not enough to make me want to splash out on a new set of wheels just to keep my summer tyres on the go.
If they're in a bad state, I'm really thinking of just sticking with my 4 seasons year round. I went Hankook Kinergy 4S2 rather than a full winter and I can't honestly tell they're not a 'normal' tyres - not enough to make me want to splash out on a new set of wheels just to keep my summer tyres on the go.
colin79666 said:
Winter tyres coming off the car today (Continental Winter Contact TS 870].
Was holding out as it isn’t unheard of to get a late blast of snow round these parts but temperatures have been pretty consistently rising and above 7 degrees c but the time I’m in the road these last couple of weeks.
Not a lot of snow this year but plenty frosty mornings on the short commute to work. I’m in a rural area so the roads often aren’t well treated.
Same for us, although once out of the rural stuff the car (an EV) then does a decent motorway commute. Was holding out as it isn’t unheard of to get a late blast of snow round these parts but temperatures have been pretty consistently rising and above 7 degrees c but the time I’m in the road these last couple of weeks.
Not a lot of snow this year but plenty frosty mornings on the short commute to work. I’m in a rural area so the roads often aren’t well treated.
I put CrossClimates on as soon as I got it as the car came with "EV" tyres, but it's turned out I worried un-necessarily, although worth it for the peace-of-mind. They do hit the miles per kwh though - hard to tell exactly but I reckon around 15%. I'm getting the EV tyres put back on next week.
Konan said:
If they're in a bad state, I'm really thinking of just sticking with my 4 seasons year round. I went Hankook Kinergy 4S2 rather than a full winter and I can't honestly tell they're not a 'normal' tyres - not enough to make me want to splash out on a new set of wheels just to keep my summer tyres on the go.
Been running these for c4 years and they're just fine all year.
Sheepshanks said:
colin79666 said:
Winter tyres coming off the car today (Continental Winter Contact TS 870].
Was holding out as it isn’t unheard of to get a late blast of snow round these parts but temperatures have been pretty consistently rising and above 7 degrees c but the time I’m in the road these last couple of weeks.
Not a lot of snow this year but plenty frosty mornings on the short commute to work. I’m in a rural area so the roads often aren’t well treated.
Same for us, although once out of the rural stuff the car (an EV) then does a decent motorway commute. Was holding out as it isn’t unheard of to get a late blast of snow round these parts but temperatures have been pretty consistently rising and above 7 degrees c but the time I’m in the road these last couple of weeks.
Not a lot of snow this year but plenty frosty mornings on the short commute to work. I’m in a rural area so the roads often aren’t well treated.
I put CrossClimates on as soon as I got it as the car came with "EV" tyres, but it's turned out I worried un-necessarily, although worth it for the peace-of-mind. They do hit the miles per kwh though - hard to tell exactly but I reckon around 15%. I'm getting the EV tyres put back on next week.
Gad-Westy said:
I think you may have missed a word or two out there but are you saying you effectively lose 15% of range going from EV specific tyres to CC's? I'm not arguing with that as I have no real comparison but I'm amazed the difference is so stark. Are you certain it isn't just because you've generally been running CC's in colder conditions and that is doing the majority of the range reduction?
I do sometimes miss words out but I re-read my post and it says what I meant it to - what do you think is missing?We got the EV (new Kona) in Dec and did 1000 miles before putting the CC’s on. It was doing typically 3.6miles per kWh then dropped to hovering around 3.0 after the tyre change but it did get a bit colder. I’m guesstimating the difference for the tyres.
Sheepshanks said:
Gad-Westy said:
I think you may have missed a word or two out there but are you saying you effectively lose 15% of range going from EV specific tyres to CC's? I'm not arguing with that as I have no real comparison but I'm amazed the difference is so stark. Are you certain it isn't just because you've generally been running CC's in colder conditions and that is doing the majority of the range reduction?
I do sometimes miss words out but I re-read my post and it says what I meant it to - what do you think is missing?We got the EV (new Kona) in Dec and did 1000 miles before putting the CC’s on. It was doing typically 3.6miles per kWh then dropped to hovering around 3.0 after the tyre change but it did get a bit colder. I’m guesstimating the difference for the tyres.
That's a huge difference isn't it. I must admit I've not paid too much attention to what tyres our up came on. I think possibly a michelin but certainly an efficiency type thing from one of the regular brands. In winter we switch to goodyear vector 3's and I can't say I've ever noticed such a stark fall off but admittedly I probably haven't been looking out for it particularly either.
Edited by Gad-Westy on Tuesday 1st April 17:05
colin79666 said:
Winter tyres coming off the car today (Continental Winter Contact TS 870].
Was holding out as it isn’t unheard of to get a late blast of snow round these parts but temperatures have been pretty consistently rising and above 7 degrees c but the time I’m in the road these last couple of weeks.
Not a lot of snow this year but plenty frosty mornings on the short commute to work. I’m in a rural area so the roads often aren’t well treated.
Mine are due to get swapped back next Monday.Was holding out as it isn’t unheard of to get a late blast of snow round these parts but temperatures have been pretty consistently rising and above 7 degrees c but the time I’m in the road these last couple of weeks.
Not a lot of snow this year but plenty frosty mornings on the short commute to work. I’m in a rural area so the roads often aren’t well treated.
Cannot wait, even when the traction control light isn't flashing the car just can't put any power down currently.
Gad-Westy said:
Sheepshanks said:
Gad-Westy said:
I think you may have missed a word or two out there but are you saying you effectively lose 15% of range going from EV specific tyres to CC's? I'm not arguing with that as I have no real comparison but I'm amazed the difference is so stark. Are you certain it isn't just because you've generally been running CC's in colder conditions and that is doing the majority of the range reduction?
I do sometimes miss words out but I re-read my post and it says what I meant it to - what do you think is missing?We got the EV (new Kona) in Dec and did 1000 miles before putting the CC’s on. It was doing typically 3.6miles per kWh then dropped to hovering around 3.0 after the tyre change but it did get a bit colder. I’m guesstimating the difference for the tyres.
That's a huge difference isn't it. I must admit I've not paid too much attention to what tyres our up came on. I think possibly a michelin but certainly an efficiency type thing from one of the regular brands. In winter we switch to goodyear vector 3's and I can't say I've ever noticed such a stark fall off but admittedly I probably haven't been paying looking for it particularly either.
Gad-Westy said:
That's a huge difference isn't it. I must admit I've not paid too much attention to what tyres our up came on. I think possibly a michelin but certainly an efficiency type thing from one of the regular brands. In winter we switch to goodyear vector 3's and I can't say I've ever noticed such a stark fall off but admittedly I probably haven't been looking out for it particularly either.
Used to swap summer & winter on wife's diesel Tiguan and it didn't make any difference to that, and I used to track the MPG. It should have been a little worse on winter diesel. It's possible any slight difference was offset by the winters being a smaller size. On the Kona EV, Hyundai's own figures say the 19" inch efficiency is 13% worse than 17", although in our case we stayed with the same size (19") for CrossClimates. I'd expect the effect to be greater on an EV than an ICE because it's on EV specific low rolling resistance tyres.
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