Will New VERY QUIET Tyres for Mazda 2 make any difference?

Will New VERY QUIET Tyres for Mazda 2 make any difference?

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KingLudwigII

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20 posts

4 months

Monday 24th May
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Hi Peeps

So i brought a Mazda 2 Sport, as it was in great condition for age, low mileage and cheap... running well BUT is very bumpy, and noisy, will NEW Tyres make any difference to the ride?

Currently its got 4 newish tyres all difference makes: Uniroyal, Autogrip, CEAT SEcura Drive and Ziex, presumable all CHEAP!!

they are Sport tyres so 'thin' , size 195/45 R15

SO my question is will getting 4 New tyres of same brand which are QUIET make a LOT of Difference or am I better just waiting until they need replaceing? ...

most are 5-6mm, theres one newish one... 8mm

can I sell mine as 'second hand' as they still are very good tread on them ?


Any advice would be great and can anyone reccomend Bigger (more cusioning) and Quieter TYres are brands to go for !!


Cheers

Ludwig II

sociopath

1,842 posts

35 months

Monday 24th May
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Turn your radio up higher

KingLudwigII

Original Poster:

20 posts

4 months

Monday 24th May
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sociopath said:
Turn your radio up higher
I do but I'm still bumping around like I'm in a Waltzer!! lol


Olivergt

757 posts

50 months

Monday 24th May
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First thing I would do is check the tyre pressures.

If they are over inflated that can add to the bumpyness.

A new set of tyres may help with the noise (are you sure it' the tyres?) but unlikely to help dramatically with the ride quality.

This site can tell you will fit:

http://www.wheelcalc.com

You want to increase the "45" number of your tyres to get a more cushioned ride.

mmm-five

9,449 posts

253 months

Monday 24th May
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How old is the car, is the suspension (springs, dampers, bushes, etc.) all in good condition?

Davie

3,584 posts

184 months

Monday 24th May
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My Mum has had an 08 Mazda 2 Sport for a few years now and it's had a few tyres on it from cheap nasty budgets when she bought it then Toyos and it's currently in n Nankang winters (she does about 2000 miles a year!) and regardless of the tyre brand, it's a pretty noisey / harsh riding car and seems incredibly puncture prone too.

I'm also debating the next move as far as tyres go... it's likely I'll put a set of decent all seasons on it but I'm also debating if changing to a 195/50/16 will help the 'harshness' somewhat as it's pretty unrefined on the 195/45/16's. I asked the question on a couple of Mazda pages with regards to upping the sidewall height but nobody really gave an constructive feedback.

It's definitely a by product of the car / suspension / 45 series tyres and from what I've found, changing tyre brand makes a negligible difference.

Smint

153 posts

4 months

Monday 24th May
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Low profiles like that are going to be noisy and hard riding whatever you fit, you might improve things a little by fitting winter rated all seasons but don't expect miracles.

You'd be better tracing where the noise is coming from...a bundle of old blankets duvets and coats will do temporarily, place them over the usual sources of noise, hatch area front footwell (passenger side only obviously wink ) under rear seat rear footwell, rear 3/4 panels or doors...when you've found where the noise is coming in have a poke nose on the Bay of E and you can buy self adhesive pads specifically designed for this type of thing, £50 spent like this can transform a car completely, i used 10mm thick sheets if i recall correctly.

I've done this to an Aygo and Cit C2VTS, both improved a lot, the Aygo also benefitted from a n upgrade to the sound system, ended up quite a pleasant place to be for such a small cheap runabout.
You'll be shocked how little soundproofing there is on some cars, i've padded out inside door skins, under rear wheel arch trims, the complete boot areas of both cars, under rear seats and under the rear floor carpet and the step up at the back of the rear footwell, most noise seems to come in from the back wheel areas and boot floor, the doors helped further refine the sound, i didn't need to do much at the front of either car.

Choose a warm day for fitting the proofing, less chance of trim clips breaking when its warm, you'd be surprised what you can do in a morning.

Also consider fitting more sensible wheel sizes that might be approved for your car, try and raise the profiles to 55 or even 60 aspect if you can, tyres usually cheaper, offer much better snow grip in higher profiles, better ride and quieter.
As a guide 185/55 x 14 tyres are exactly the same rolling radius as your present set.


Edited by Smint on Monday 24th May 15:53

KingLudwigII

Original Poster:

20 posts

4 months

Monday 24th May
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mmm-five said:
How old is the car, is the suspension (springs, dampers, bushes, etc.) all in good condition?
its OLD!! 2008, low mileage, drive by nice old lady so probably not thrashed about

I've no idea how to check if suspension is any good, where would i LOOK? My local mechanic could have a look, if its crap can I claim with my 3 month warrenty? or as i've read these are not worth paper written on?

I know jack all about cars , except put petrol in and drive it, lol , but relaising I need to know more!!

I've read that Mazda 2 sports are quite bumpy and loud, so just looking in any way to smooth it out of possible!!

KingLudwigII

Original Poster:

20 posts

4 months

Monday 24th May
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Smint said:
Low profiles like that are going to be noisy and hard riding whatever you fit, you might improve things a little by fitting winter rated all seasons but don't expect miracles.

You'd be better tracing where the noise is coming from...a bundle of old blankets duvets and coats will do temporarily, place them over the usual sources of noise, hatch area front footwell (passenger side only obviously wink ) under rear seat rear footwell, rear 3/4 panels or doors...when you've found where the noise is coming in have a poke nose on the Bay of E and you can buy self adhesive pads specifically designed for this type of thing, £50 spent like this can transform a car completely, i used 10mm thick sheets if i recall correctly.

I've done this to an Aygo and Cit C2VTS, both improved a lot, the Aygo also benefitted from a n upgrade to the sound system, ended up quite a pleasant place to be for such a small cheap runabout.
You'll be shocked how little soundproofing there is on some cars, i've padded out inside door skins, under rear wheel arch trims, the complete boot areas of both cars, under rear seats and under the rear floor carpet and the step up at the back of the rear footwell, most noise seems to come in from the back wheel areas and boot floor, the doors helped further refine the sound, i didn't need to do much at the front of either car.

Choose a warm day for fitting the proofing, less chance of trim clips breaking when its warm, you'd be surprised what you can do in a morning.

Also consider fitting more sensible wheel sizes, try and raise the profiles to 55 or even 60 aspect if you can, tyres usually cheaper, offer much better snow grip in higher profiles, better ride and quieter.
All this sounds like great advice , I tihink it'll br hard to find out where noise os coming from, certainly hideous going over bumpy roads, or that new gravelly tarmac...

how much would new wheels cost? Not cheap... perhaps I may just keep it for a while and get something quieter and more comfy, my old beat up Renault megane was a joy to drive like sitting in a big sponge... now its like being in in a tank or something... its nice to dirve, cornmering is great, its nippy but really unco,fortable and only had it a few days... shame

Scrump

15,262 posts

127 months

Monday 24th May
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How old are the tyres? There is a 4 digit date code on the sidewall.
I recently replaced tyres which had 5mm of tread but were 7 years old. The new tyres are the same size and supposedly more sporty but the ride is noticeably smoother and quieter, I presume as the old tyres had become harder with age.

KingLudwigII

Original Poster:

20 posts

4 months

Monday 24th May
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Davie said:
My Mum has had an 08 Mazda 2 Sport for a few years now and it's had a few tyres on it from cheap nasty budgets when she bought it then Toyos and it's currently in n Nankang winters (she does about 2000 miles a year!) and regardless of the tyre brand, it's a pretty noisey / harsh riding car and seems incredibly puncture prone too.

I'm also debating the next move as far as tyres go... it's likely I'll put a set of decent all seasons on it but I'm also debating if changing to a 195/50/16 will help the 'harshness' somewhat as it's pretty unrefined on the 195/45/16's. I asked the question on a couple of Mazda pages with regards to upping the sidewall height but nobody really gave an constructive feedback.

It's definitely a by product of the car / suspension / 45 series tyres and from what I've found, changing tyre brand makes a negligible difference.
Cheers for feedback, maybe its just the way the car is, I did read reviews saying it was loud and bumpy, whn I took it for a test drive it seems quite smooth and quiet, may be I wasn't listening hard enough.... no rattles, its just very very bumpy...

Shame no much can be done...

probably won't keep it for too long ... damn...

hyphen

22,155 posts

59 months

Monday 24th May
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Some brands do tyres designed to lower noise.

https://www.continental-tires.com/car/tires/contin...

Smint

153 posts

4 months

Monday 24th May
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KingLudwigII said:
All this sounds like great advice , I tihink it'll br hard to find out where noise os coming from, certainly hideous going over bumpy roads, or that new gravelly tarmac...

how much would new wheels cost? Not cheap... perhaps I may just keep it for a while and get something quieter and more comfy, my old beat up Renault megane was a joy to drive like sitting in a big sponge... now its like being in in a tank or something... its nice to dirve, cornmering is great, its nippy but really unco,fortable and only had it a few days... shame
You'd be looking for wheels off a lower spec version so ebay is your friend, though that may not be acceptable to the insurer, have a look at the tyre size/pressure label, should be on one of the pillars, any alternative acceptable tyre sizes should be on there.

TheNewBoy

1,231 posts

7 months

Monday 24th May
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Some cars are just noisy (my 2008 Skoda Vrs was horrible). Throwing soundproofing at it will make naff all difference.
Tyre choice can make the most difference.My local tyre place will check the 4 wheel tracking (free, but charge if adjustment needed)
Maybe get advice on the highest sidewall that a tyre place will fit . A proper tyre, not a rubber band!. (some won’t budge from the book)

mmm-five

9,449 posts

253 months

Monday 24th May
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KingLudwigII said:
its OLD!! 2008, low mileage, drive by nice old lady so probably not thrashed about

I've no idea how to check if suspension is any good, where would i LOOK? My local mechanic could have a look, if its crap can I claim with my 3 month warrenty? or as i've read these are not worth paper written on?

I know jack all about cars , except put petrol in and drive it, lol , but relaising I need to know more!!

I've read that Mazda 2 sports are quite bumpy and loud, so just looking in any way to smooth it out of possible!!
If it's very low mileage, then it's possible that all the rubbers have perished (tyres and bushes), and even possible that the springs/dampers are past their best.

All of these things can have a huge impact on handling and comfort - but which one(s) is causing it will be down to examining each item individually, and then deciding whether it's worth spending much money on a 13 year old car.

Even with a brilliant warranty, you'd be unlikely to be able to claim for something that is just 'worn out' or 'past its best'. Even if it actually failed, it would be hard to argue the point if it's considered a wear & tear item.

KingLudwigII

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4 months

Monday 24th May
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mmm-five said:
If it's very low mileage, then it's possible that all the rubbers have perished (tyres and bushes), and even possible that the springs/dampers are past their best.

All of these things can have a huge impact on handling and comfort - but which one(s) is causing it will be down to examining each item individually, and then deciding whether it's worth spending much money on a 13 year old car.

Even with a brilliant warranty, you'd be unlikely to be able to claim for something that is just 'worn out' or 'past its best'. Even if it actually failed, it would be hard to argue the point if it's considered a wear & tear item.
Yeah I don't want to spend one single on this car, just to get me around do a few thousand miles and sell it when its done under 60,000... .so far its done 49,000... body is very good nick, checked mot history, no majot problems, got new cam belt, battery, disc pads etc....

so its OK, just bloody bumpy!! I may get it checked over at my garage, if suspension is really fked maybe get a refund, as its clearly a 'dodgy mota' !! although I bought it from a very good dealer!!

Davie

3,584 posts

184 months

Monday 24th May
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You'd be best to try a like for like car or ask somebody who knows to drive it and advise whether it's just how the car is or if yours has issues before you go writing it off. They are pretty firmly damped, are made from tin foil and feel like the bushes are made from cast iron... refined they are not but again it's down to opinion. My mum's has done 47k, wants for nothing as far as running gear goes but even then it just feels noisey / harsh but then again it's a Mazda 2 and not a Bentley Continental.

KingLudwigII

Original Poster:

20 posts

4 months

Monday 24th May
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Davie said:
You'd be best to try a like for like car or ask somebody who knows to drive it and advise whether it's just how the car is or if yours has issues before you go writing it off. They are pretty firmly damped, are made from tin foil and feel like the bushes are made from cast iron... refined they are not but again it's down to opinion. My mum's has done 47k, wants for nothing as far as running gear goes but even then it just feels noisey / harsh but then again it's a Mazda 2 and not a Bentley Continental.
Yeah good advice, it may be that there's 'nothing wrong' with my car its just the way its made and it is just loud and bumpy and I better get used to it!

As i've not had one before or driven one before its hard to tell!

i'll probably get my mechanic, whose VERy honest to give it once over just for my peace of mind...


I think in many ways its a nice car, just after my spongy old megane , which was like driving in a sofa, this feels like a go-kart!

God knows how i'd cope with a 'real' sports car!! lol

HustleRussell

20,054 posts

129 months

Monday 24th May
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Read the reviews. These cars are not known for their ride quality.

Quality tyres will improve the noise level and the ride but there are a number of hatchbacks in the same class which will offer greater comfort.

E-bmw

6,337 posts

121 months

Monday 24th May
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Mrs E has a 2010 1.5 Sport & I have to disagree with a lot of criticism on the listing in general.

OK, it is no Roller, and neither is it an M5 in ride quality or handling, but for a medium to small cheapo hatchback I think it is on a par with a comparable fiesta of the same era but much better equipped.

Anyway, to get back to the OPs questions.

Your initial question is about tyres & you are in the worst possible situation of have 4 different tyres fitted, 3 of which are commonly called "ditch-finders" and the 4th of which is a reasonable mid-range tyre.

If you were to fit 4 of decent tyres, I am sure you would notice some improvement alas I suspect this is not your only issue from other things you say in latter posts.

You may well need some suspension work doing, likely shocks/springs as what you say about the car bouncing all over the place should not be happening.