Why aren't engines designed with proper crank locking?

Why aren't engines designed with proper crank locking?

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Krikkit

Original Poster:

26,527 posts

181 months

Thursday 17th June 2021
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Looking at the timing end of my friend's EA888 in his Golf, and it's a bit of a minefield. Once you've removed the harmonic damper the timing pulley on the crank is free to move around, they've even changed the special tools to try and combat it as the dealers have knackered multiple engines.

Question is, why are they built that way in the first place? Surely there should be an ability to lock up the crank easily for service? Once upon a time you could stick a pin in the crankshaft, then either a bladed tool or a couple more pins into the cams and it was job jobbed.

Megaflow

9,412 posts

225 months

Thursday 17th June 2021
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They don’t need to have them. In fact, crank locking tools are quite a new thing I think, I never saw one before the early-mud 00’s

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

243 months

Thursday 17th June 2021
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I can think of two reasons:
Some engines are designed to not ever be taken apart.
All engine are built by robots so they don't need timing tools - in fact that would make things slower and more difficult.

LimSlip

800 posts

54 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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There is a tool to keep the timing sprocket clamped to the crank when the crank damper is removed on EA888: VW part T10368, Laser 6951. However this doesn't lock the crank, just maintains the timing whilst allowing crank to be rotated without the balancer.

Zener

18,961 posts

221 months

Friday 18th June 2021
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Machining costs ... Period

LimSlip

800 posts

54 months

Sunday 20th June 2021
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Zener said:
Machining costs ... Period
It's more down to assembly costs. Automated assembly is a lot simpler when you don't have keyways etc. that need to be aligned.

steveo3002

10,525 posts

174 months

Sunday 20th June 2021
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dont give a hoot at the poor customer paying for out of warrenty work

coud pick up on so many things ..bit of thought and belt /chain swaps could be so much nicer but they dont care

slybunda

143 posts

64 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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can you not lock it at the flywheel end? some fords require starter motor to be removed and bolt a wedge thingy in that locks the flywheel teeth. floating crank pullies is headache.

Richard-D

756 posts

64 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Lots of confusion between locking the crank in a position and locking the crank pulley to the crank.

The OP is referring to the latter.

The reason is ease of assembly and accurate timing. With a woodruff key the cam timing can be significantly out unless you use (expensive) vernier pulleys.