The Range Rover Classic thread
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Windscreens:
Have ordered three now and none are the right size, all slightly too small both height and width. I'd generally assume that the car itself had been assembled on a Friday but they are actually smaller than the original.
Was wondering if anyone else had discovered similar in recent years?
We gave up when the third one arrived from a different source and was the same and it was possible to fit but what reminded me to reinvestigate was a run up to the Highlands before Christmas in a howling gale and rain when just passed Carlisle I began to notice a cold breeze on my forehead and some water down the inside of the screen which revealed itself to be a gap between glass and rubber.
Have ordered three now and none are the right size, all slightly too small both height and width. I'd generally assume that the car itself had been assembled on a Friday but they are actually smaller than the original.
Was wondering if anyone else had discovered similar in recent years?
We gave up when the third one arrived from a different source and was the same and it was possible to fit but what reminded me to reinvestigate was a run up to the Highlands before Christmas in a howling gale and rain when just passed Carlisle I began to notice a cold breeze on my forehead and some water down the inside of the screen which revealed itself to be a gap between glass and rubber.
Huntsman said:
Sorry, I've no idea about winsscreens.
Nice set of wheels here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405447948495?mkcid=16&a...
Those are nice. When I bought my '72 it was on a set of those and they looked great but I wanted the original look so sold them. Nice set of wheels here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405447948495?mkcid=16&a...
Need to find someone who can put the early centres into modern van rims at some point as my wheels aren't perfectly round and I'd favour going tubeless.
eltax91 said:
My LSE project is progressing. Still plenty to do but head is turning towards interior. Leather seats are in decent nick, just a bit of wear on the drivers bolster.
The headliner is saggy, of course.
Anyone self-restored one? I’ve never done it before but I’m keen to add a skill to my bow! Or is this a case of leave it to the pro’s cos I’ll mess it up?
Headlining?The headliner is saggy, of course.
Anyone self-restored one? I’ve never done it before but I’m keen to add a skill to my bow! Or is this a case of leave it to the pro’s cos I’ll mess it up?
It's easy enough but really needs an extra pair of hands to help laying the fabric and definitely for refitting.
Just buy enough fabric to enable the reclassification of the first attempt as a trial run.
Also consider sound deadening on the roof while the lining is down although I think by the time of the LSE they were doing that?
eltax91 said:
DonkeyApple said:
eltax91 said:
Yes sorry. Seems iPhone preferred a different word!
I can’t recall there being any matting up there but I will check. Just buy the fabric and some 3M spray online is the way to go then?
It's often just some of that heavy rubber matting positioned in a few places. I can’t recall there being any matting up there but I will check. Just buy the fabric and some 3M spray online is the way to go then?
Huntsman said:
DonkeyApple said:
Disco 2 pump and manifolds should do the trick.
ECU is usually stored under the driver's seat.
If I use Disco 2 manifolds what exhaust do I need?ECU is usually stored under the driver's seat.
I dont need cats, but I do want O2 sensors.
The Disco was just a Classic.
Other things from the Disco that make a difference are the harmonic weights that they added which do make a difference re the motorway drive. There are weights that bolt to the underside of the front swivels and a large disc weight on the rear axle. Never understood how they do what they do but the cars with them are much nicer above 60 than those without.
jon-yprpe said:
Very kind - they are standard Rostyles although someone else said they looked deeper dished. I think it must be because it’s on 235s.
I have thought about getting them (or a spare set) banded at usher engineering to make them 6.5J.
Jon, ping me a pm if you're around tomorrow morning. There's a landy meet at the tower and I usually take the van. I have thought about getting them (or a spare set) banded at usher engineering to make them 6.5J.
MrMoonyMan said:
Good evening all.
Does anyone have any real life experience of this:
https://www.famousfour.co.uk/new_parts/ff_part?par...
The car is a restored classic that is only used on road. I’m after decent Road manners and a non-crashy ride.
I fitted a set as I wanted my 2 door to be a little sweeter on the M40 at standard speeds. Having had a previous Rangie on air that dropped an inch it does make a noticeable difference. Does anyone have any real life experience of this:
https://www.famousfour.co.uk/new_parts/ff_part?par...
The car is a restored classic that is only used on road. I’m after decent Road manners and a non-crashy ride.
The problem that I had was that on hard right hand turns there was an awful grinding noise and despite putting the car in a ramp we couldn't fathom what the cause was. Putting the height back to standard made the issue go away.
My car is a Suffix A so it may be an issue related to the older axles and set up.
If you're building for fast road then I'd say that along with the stiffer arbs it's something worth doing but the ride is certainly more stiff. If you're not building a fast road car then my view is that you really can't beat the completely boggo factory set up.
MrMoonyMan said:
DonkeyApple.
I have been having an absolute ‘mare with windscreens.
The one in there is tired but not cracked or chipped. It has now been out four times with every replacement not fitting.
Very frustrating. I keep being told a Pilkington one is the answer but they can not source one.
It's very frustrating. They're too small both in height and width. I have been having an absolute ‘mare with windscreens.
The one in there is tired but not cracked or chipped. It has now been out four times with every replacement not fitting.
Very frustrating. I keep being told a Pilkington one is the answer but they can not source one.
Might be worth checking a heated windscreen on the off chance that they NOS or have been remade with the correct dimensions.
MrMoonyMan said:
Thanks for the reply. Mine is an early-ish Vogue SE and does not have ARBs
At the moment it has standard height springs that may be a bit stiffer than usual and shock absorbers that might not be doing their job properly. Either way something is not right in terms of its ride.
I do enjoy hustling it down a lane but also want it to be friendly enough to commute and take the family out.
Allowing for the possible rubbing on full lock. Do you think you’d go with the set up linked above again? Although not on the immediate horizon I’d always thought an LS engine or similar might be something I’d do now the body and interior is up to scratch.
To be honest, if you go for harder springs and shocks you do end up with a harder ride and that's a bit rubbish for family duties. At the moment it has standard height springs that may be a bit stiffer than usual and shock absorbers that might not be doing their job properly. Either way something is not right in terms of its ride.
I do enjoy hustling it down a lane but also want it to be friendly enough to commute and take the family out.
Allowing for the possible rubbing on full lock. Do you think you’d go with the set up linked above again? Although not on the immediate horizon I’d always thought an LS engine or similar might be something I’d do now the body and interior is up to scratch.
The best all round set up is to fit the Disco 2 bits. Standard springs and shocks plus the front swivel weights and the rear axle weight and arb. The car then drives like an end of the line Disco which is noticeably nicer than the standard classic. The weights, or harmonic dampers seem to have a really positive impact somehow and the arb just stops passengers from panicking.
In terms of engine upgrade. The LS is obviously brilliant but a John Eales 4.6 is a really solid 250x250 and with a larger bore stainless exhaust sounds lovely. Land Rover 110 front calipers are dual line and add extra stopping power for not much cost.
m20b25 said:
The dampers are well worn on my 92 2.5vm 2 door so I’m weighing up some options to refresh the lot. Criteria is a balance between improving handling while maintaining ride comfort. This is a 90% road car 10% moderate green laning. In price order:
Air suspension (custom ride heights for motorway vs offroad, good comfort), Kingsley’s fast road kit (seems like a good all-round kit but ££), famousfours kit with -1” heavy duty springs (lower price but could be firm) or just new dampers + ARB kit (as it was intended)
Any real-life experiences of the first 2? (Saw the earlier post on the famous 4 kit)
I put the the one inch drop, heavy duty springs on mine. You definitely feel the car is firmer so if you move around on mostly rubbish tarmac then personally, I wouldn't fit them. They certainly made motorway travel better and and I enjoyed them overall. Air suspension (custom ride heights for motorway vs offroad, good comfort), Kingsley’s fast road kit (seems like a good all-round kit but ££), famousfours kit with -1” heavy duty springs (lower price but could be firm) or just new dampers + ARB kit (as it was intended)
Any real-life experiences of the first 2? (Saw the earlier post on the famous 4 kit)
I ended up removing them because on hard right handers there was something grinding under the car and we couldn't establish what it was. This may not be an issue for later cars, it might just have been something related to the earlier imperial axles etc.
Re air suspension, don't bother. Yes, it's really good but it's a weak point. Plus, I wouldn't have any great desire to have anything to do with Kingsley.
I think you'll find the handle to be a pain in the arse when driving.
These days, it's worth remembering 3d printing. If it were me, I'd scan the handle ends and print two elegant blanks. I'd also probably have the letters T, W, A & T in very small font on their face just large enough for me to read each time I looked at them from the driver's seat.
These days, it's worth remembering 3d printing. If it were me, I'd scan the handle ends and print two elegant blanks. I'd also probably have the letters T, W, A & T in very small font on their face just large enough for me to read each time I looked at them from the driver's seat.
T-J-C said:
Correct. No pressure issues at all prior to having it apart the second time to have the lifters replaced. It just had noisy lifters (apparently the 'high quality' ones sold to him were actually Chinese copies). I will see if I can find out what oil was put in.
There are loads of reasons for low oil pressure or taking time for pressure to build, from the benign to the awful but if all was fine prior to just taking the top off then there is a chance it's down to the oil viscosity being different. Every oik has a green one these days. I might have to go black on black with some chrome spinners.
Engine work sounds superb. I reckon 250-300 with similar torque is all you need with these. Gives you freedom back over dawdlers and day trippers and makes mile munching across country just about perfect.
Engine work sounds superb. I reckon 250-300 with similar torque is all you need with these. Gives you freedom back over dawdlers and day trippers and makes mile munching across country just about perfect.
The Chieftan was a novel idea but I think that car is a Chesney Hawks?
I think the product now offered is the original chassis with an independent suspension set up rather than the whole cut and shut Disco 3 chassis? It must have transpired to be easier to add the required elements to a Classic chassis than modify the size of the D3?
It's an interesting bit of engineering. I wouldn't mind having a go to see just how different fully independent suspension makes them feel.
I think the product now offered is the original chassis with an independent suspension set up rather than the whole cut and shut Disco 3 chassis? It must have transpired to be easier to add the required elements to a Classic chassis than modify the size of the D3?
It's an interesting bit of engineering. I wouldn't mind having a go to see just how different fully independent suspension makes them feel.
RobXjcoupe said:
Anyone built a 4.6 using an original 3.9 block?
It was done in the past, before the 4.0 serpentine which I think is when they became cross bolted. It's just stroking used to get the extra half litre. So I would assume a change of conrods, pistons, crank etc and bigger valves in the head and might need larger injectors but I can't think of any reason at all why it's not simply doable.
Ultimately I think it's just the absence of cross bolting but is that such a big risk or any risk if the engine is in a Rangie rather than a race car?
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