Morris Marina - was it really that bad?

Morris Marina - was it really that bad?

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john2443

6,337 posts

211 months

Thursday 4th March 2021
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neutral 3 said:
And what is that Purple called ??
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Black Tulip?????

matchmaker

8,490 posts

200 months

Thursday 4th March 2021
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john2443 said:
neutral 3 said:
And what is that Purple called ??
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Black Tulip?????
I think so. My uncle had a 1.3 coupe - XAG351K.

aeropilot

34,589 posts

227 months

Thursday 4th March 2021
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matchmaker said:
john2443 said:
neutral 3 said:
And what is that Purple called ??
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Black Tulip?????
I think so. My uncle had a 1.3 coupe - XAG351K.
Or Aconite?

That was a dark purple-ish colour. Many years ago, I used to know someone that had a MGB GT V8 in that colour.

My TC wasn't either of those colour though. It was a dark metallic blue with a purply tint to it. Had gone a bit flat when I had it, but to my eyes it looked like a bluey-purple. No idea what it was called and can't find anything that would tell me.
I do have a photo though, which I'll post up when I get home tonight.

Touring442

3,096 posts

209 months

Thursday 4th March 2021
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matchmaker said:
I think so. My uncle had a 1.3 coupe - XAG351K.
Mine was KBP509K iirc, Black tulip 1.3 Deluxe Coupe with red vinyl trim. Bought for 60 quid - I welded some secondhand Teal blue wings on and rattle canned them the right colour with Holts Duplicolour cans one hot day.

aeropilot

34,589 posts

227 months

Thursday 4th March 2021
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aeropilot said:
matchmaker said:
john2443 said:
neutral 3 said:
And what is that Purple called ??
.
Black Tulip?????
I think so. My uncle had a 1.3 coupe - XAG351K.
Or Aconite?

That was a dark purple-ish colour. Many years ago, I used to know someone that had a MGB GT V8 in that colour.

My TC wasn't either of those colour though. It was a dark metallic blue with a purply tint to it. Had gone a bit flat when I had it, but to my eyes it looked like a bluey-purple. No idea what it was called and can't find anything that would tell me.
I do have a photo though, which I'll post up when I get home tonight.
This the TC Coupe I owned for about 8 months, over the autumn/winter/spring of 1984/5.


Rob 131 Sport

2,516 posts

52 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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aeropilot said:
2xChevrons said:
In 1980:

MGB GT: £5893

Golf GTI: £5768

These are 'as tested' prices in road tests published during 1980. So the 'B was more expensive, but not by much.

For context, a TR7 at the same time was £5750 and Alfasud 1.5Ti was £5100.

A Morris Ital 1.3HLS (on topic!) was £4397.
And.....

Escort RS2000 Custom was £5387
Capri 3.0S was £5825
Sunbeam Ti was £4666
Sunbeam-Lotus was £7205
Fiat 131 Mirafiori Sport was £5448
BMW 323i was £7550.

The MGB GT was more expensive than a Capri 3.0S........and a whopping 500 quid more than a RS2000.
For me it would be the Fiat 131 Mirafiori Sport followed by the Capri 3.0S. The BMW was expensive by comparison.

dirky dirk

3,013 posts

170 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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We had a msrina coupe in school for a short lived motor maintainance class.

Nobody wanted to work on it and we were 15,

Chicken_Satay

2,299 posts

204 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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The first ever car I was driven around in by my family was a Morris Marina. I decided to have a read through this thread after uncovering an old Top Gear episode on VHS from 1992. It features the Marina owners club. I digitised the clip and uploaded it to YouTube.

The video features legendary chairman Clifford Talkington. What's he doing now I wonder? The quality is slightly iffy at the start but it settles down:
https://youtu.be/pRBrIkjlbOQ

bristolracer

5,540 posts

149 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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aeropilot said:
This the TC Coupe I owned for about 8 months, over the autumn/winter/spring of 1984/5.

It's surprising they didn't sell many many more of those. Compared to the Escort and the Viva, it's a far better looking car, and there are many cars that have sold on looks alone

swisstoni

16,997 posts

279 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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bristolracer said:
aeropilot said:
This the TC Coupe I owned for about 8 months, over the autumn/winter/spring of 1984/5.

It's surprising they didn't sell many many more of those. Compared to the Escort and the Viva, it's a far better looking car, and there are many cars that have sold on looks alone
They were a size (and ££) class up from those cars though, and so would have been more of a Cortina class competitor.

LuS1fer

41,135 posts

245 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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bristolracer said:
aeropilot said:
This the TC Coupe I owned for about 8 months, over the autumn/winter/spring of 1984/5.

It's surprising they didn't sell many many more of those. Compared to the Escort and the Viva, it's a far better looking car, and there are many cars that have sold on looks alone
It had many problems.
Firstly, cutting costs by using the front doors of the four door which are shorter, obviously. Calling it a TC for twin carb rather than twin cam was disingenuous.

Secondly, I recall Mike McCarthy of Motor had one and they printed "Running Reports". He was less than complimentary about how it drove and how it looked like it had been "kicked up the ar*e".

The Escort and Cortina had infallible competition histories so had proper street credibility the Marina lacked. If you wanted a car for looks, you had a big choice of coupes and Ford had the Capri with bigger engines and Vauxhall had bigger-engined Firenzas.

ettore

4,132 posts

252 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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aeropilot said:
matchmaker said:
john2443 said:
neutral 3 said:
And what is that Purple called ??
.
Black Tulip?????
I think so. My uncle had a 1.3 coupe - XAG351K.
Or Aconite?

That was a dark purple-ish colour. Many years ago, I used to know someone that had a MGB GT V8 in that colour.

My TC wasn't either of those colour though. It was a dark metallic blue with a purply tint to it. Had gone a bit flat when I had it, but to my eyes it looked like a bluey-purple. No idea what it was called and can't find anything that would tell me.
I do have a photo though, which I'll post up when I get home tonight.
Haha -memories. I had an MGBGT at University in Aconite with wonderful orange seats. Aconite was quite a nice colour actually, although less good as it bubbled!

aeropilot

34,589 posts

227 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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swisstoni said:
bristolracer said:
aeropilot said:
This the TC Coupe I owned for about 8 months, over the autumn/winter/spring of 1984/5.

It's surprising they didn't sell many many more of those. Compared to the Escort and the Viva, it's a far better looking car, and there are many cars that have sold on looks alone
They were a size (and ££) class up from those cars though, and so would have been more of a Cortina class competitor.
Yep.
Marina was a Cortina Mk.3 class car, and it was way worse than those as well laugh
I'd owned a Cortina Mk.3 2.0GT 2-door a couple of years before the Marina TC, and the Cortina was awful, but still better than the Marina.

soxboy

6,225 posts

219 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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Marina was developed as a rival to the Cortina, hence it’s dimensions and engine sizes closely mirrored those of the Cortina mk2. Unfortunately Ford upped the ante by making the mk3 bigger in size and with 2.0 engine option.

hot metal

1,943 posts

193 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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My Dad had a Marina new in 1971, K plate 1.3 Super 4 door, his first new car, don`t remember him making any comments about it , he had a 1200 Beetle before. He only kept it 2 years, traded it for £800 against a new MK3 Cortina 1.6L, he kept that 5 years though & sold it for £1150, 40 quid less than he bought it for.
Funny the things you remember, I was only 6 when he got the Marina.

Skyedriver

17,850 posts

282 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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They were a car of their time and there were a lot worse out there.
Wartburg
Lada
FSO Polonez
Mosquvitch (spelling?)
Dacia something or other that was a Renault 12 made in Israel
TBH even the "everybodies favourite" the mini was in reality, a box of frogs, unreliable, rusted like mad, was ready for the scrap heap at 60K miles.

LuS1fer

41,135 posts

245 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Skyedriver said:
They were a car of their time and there were a lot worse out there.
Wartburg
Lada
FSO Polonez
Mosquvitch (spelling?)
Dacia something or other that was a Renault 12 made in Israel
TBH even the "everybodies favourite" the mini was in reality, a box of frogs, unreliable, rusted like mad, was ready for the scrap heap at 60K miles.
The Soviet Bloc cars were cheaper. The Moskvich, particularly the estate and the Lada sold very well as they offered a brand new car for the price of a used car.
Wartburgs were marginal interest two-strokes, FSO never really caught on and Dacia weren't sold here, being Romanian Renault's for Romanians. Dynamics were not their strong point.

rallycross

12,790 posts

237 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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LuS1fer said:
The Soviet Bloc cars were cheaper. The Moskvich, particularly the estate and the Lada sold very well as they offered a brand new car for the price of a used car.
Wartburgs were marginal interest two-strokes, FSO never really caught on and Dacia weren't sold here, being Romanian Renault's for Romanians. Dynamics were not their strong point.
It’s irrelevant anyway as the marina and ital was up against the cortina, cavalier etc and it was a useless antiquated rusting oil burning gearbox wining pile of junk at the time - total crap.

AW111

9,674 posts

133 months

Wednesday 1st December 2021
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rallycross said:
LuS1fer said:
The Soviet Bloc cars were cheaper. The Moskvich, particularly the estate and the Lada sold very well as they offered a brand new car for the price of a used car.
Wartburgs were marginal interest two-strokes, FSO never really caught on and Dacia weren't sold here, being Romanian Renault's for Romanians. Dynamics were not their strong point.
It’s irrelevant anyway as the marina and ital was up against the cortina, cavalier etc and it was a useless antiquated rusting oil burning gearbox wining pile of junk at the time - total crap.
And in Australia they were trying to compete with the Japanese, who could build cars that worked.

Ok, the early Japanese cars had rust issues when used on a soggy damp island that salts the roads, but in much of the world that wasn't a problem.

Johnspex

4,342 posts

184 months

Wednesday 1st December 2021
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bristolracer said:
aeropilot said:
This the TC Coupe I owned for about 8 months, over the autumn/winter/spring of 1984/5.

It's surprising they didn't sell many many more of those. Compared to the Escort and the Viva, it's a far better looking car, and there are many cars that have sold on looks alone
Funny, I was looking at that and thinking "why is it so bland? Couldn't they get a decent designer"?