Elise prices. What's going on?

Elise prices. What's going on?

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fridaypassion

9,437 posts

236 months

Wednesday 16th October
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Frimley111R said:
I was a pax in a 410. It was like being shot out of a cannon! And there's a YT vid showing one beating a McLaren in a drag race so....
Having until very recently owned a 600 LT I confirm that video was staged they are absolutely different levels of performance to the Lotus.

Puzzles

2,476 posts

119 months

Wednesday 16th October
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fridaypassion said:
Frimley111R said:
I was a pax in a 410. It was like being shot out of a cannon! And there's a YT vid showing one beating a McLaren in a drag race so....
Having until very recently owned a 600 LT I confirm that video was staged they are absolutely different levels of performance to the Lotus.
Phew. Glad I’m not going mad!

Frimley111R

16,031 posts

242 months

Thursday 17th October
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fridaypassion said:
Frimley111R said:
I was a pax in a 410. It was like being shot out of a cannon! And there's a YT vid showing one beating a McLaren in a drag race so....
Having until very recently owned a 600 LT I confirm that video was staged they are absolutely different levels of performance to the Lotus.
I don't think it's staged (Having driven a 600 too). The Exige is ballistic off the line as it's so light, you can see it gets the jump on the McLaren but the McLaren is soon flying and would have been well clear on a longer track but in the distance they covered it was enough for the Exige to maximise its start. Another 20 meters and it would have been a different story.

The McLaren, like a lot of these cars, shows that its power really makes the biggest difference as speed increases. The Exige is super quick from a standing start and at lower speeds but aero and sheer power make the difference in the end. It simply can't continue to accelerate as fast as the McLaren at higher speeds.

otolith

59,300 posts

212 months

Thursday 17th October
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I can believe that the Exige can get the jump off the line on something substantially quicker but with a less rear biased weight distribution, given that neither would be able to put down everything they've got. Not for long, though.

dunc_sx

1,631 posts

205 months

Thursday 17th October
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fridaypassion said:
* Lots of info *
Nice one thanks.

Also, McLaren 600LT 0 to 60 is 2.9s, how short was this drag race?

Dunc.

fridaypassion

9,437 posts

236 months

Thursday 17th October
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Frimley111R said:
I don't think it's staged (Having driven a 600 too). The Exige is ballistic off the line as it's so light, you can see it gets the jump on the McLaren but the McLaren is soon flying and would have been well clear on a longer track but in the distance they covered it was enough for the Exige to maximise its start. Another 20 meters and it would have been a different story.

The McLaren, like a lot of these cars, shows that its power really makes the biggest difference as speed increases. The Exige is super quick from a standing start and at lower speeds but aero and sheer power make the difference in the end. It simply can't continue to accelerate as fast as the McLaren at higher speeds.
The 410 is quick but its literally nothing at all like a 600LT. The 600 LT also has a much more sophisticated TC system that is devastatingly effective at getting the power down Vs Lotus's 15 year old system. It also has far shorter gearing than the Lotus. Absolute different levels of car. half a second quicker to 60 on the stats.

edoverheels

411 posts

113 months

Thursday 17th October
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Fridaypassion - thanks for the super useful, informative post and sharing that hard won knowledge. As a Lotus fanboy and like all petrolheads, always on the look out for my next ruinous financial decision it was really interesting. Thanks.

edoverheels

411 posts

113 months

Thursday 17th October
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I haven’t driven a McLaren, in fact I have never even been in a moving one. However I have been on a few track days and quite often at Lotus on Track events there may be a couple of McLarens and they are so obviously faster than anything else there. They seem to be in at a different level as has been said.

fridaypassion

9,437 posts

236 months

Thursday 17th October
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Yes they are rapid I have a 400BHP VX220 Track car that is a tad quicker than a komotec 475 V6 and I can't keep behind any McLaren for more than 2 corners. We have full aero etc all the toys on that car as well!

GTRene

17,828 posts

232 months

Thursday 17th October
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fridaypassion said:
Yes they are rapid I have a 400BHP VX220 Track car that is a tad quicker than a komotec 475 V6 and I can't keep behind any McLaren for more than 2 corners. We have full aero etc all the toys on that car as well!
sounds like fun in a VX220 with 400hp, now I mentioning it, I also went in such with around the same hp, it had 420hp, it was a car for sale and the owner was my passenger, I must say he tuned it well, it did not feel scary, could handle that power easy, it did not felt that powerful as I had in mind, yes it was fast but very controllable (in the Dry)

He said on a wet highway it could be scary sometimes with such big turbo and higher speeds.

I almost forgot about hat drive in that tuned 420hp Turbo speedster(owned a standard opel speedster turbo myself back then)

fridaypassion

9,437 posts

236 months

Friday 18th October
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Yes it's a pussycat to drive with supercharger power delivery is very smooth. The chassis could take 500bhp easily for track use. It's not really road drivable as we run 800/900 springs and you need heat in the tyres

itcaptainslow

3,870 posts

144 months

Friday 18th October
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The list of potential V6 maladies has certainly put me off...! The 220 S I've owned since new has been pretty reliable (only had to replace the air con condenser!) although it's been treated with kid gloves to an extent - no wet or winter use and always serviced even if the mileage is sub-1000 in a year.

I frequently eye up an Evora but it's probably sensible just to stick!

Puzzles

2,476 posts

119 months

Friday 18th October
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I think the only thing that would get me out my S1 is one of the late 250bhp versions.

If the ac breaks I’d be fking annoyed though.

John Henry

83 posts

176 months

Friday 18th October
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I believe the AC pipes and gubbins were revised for the later cars. Everytime I drive mine I run the AC for a while as I’m jittery about it packing up. I also think the late cars are actually, finally fast. Even in comparison with modern stuff. At least to 50/60mph.

Puzzles

2,476 posts

119 months

Friday 18th October
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Thanks John, do you know what they changed?

As I read horror stories about condensers, pipes in sills, problems with the electrical part etc.

giveitfish

4,099 posts

222 months

Friday 18th October
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Can confirm that A/C pipes in sills still an issue in 2016 cars

otolith

59,300 posts

212 months

Friday 18th October
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Mine doesn't have AC, and I'm glad!

giveitfish

4,099 posts

222 months

Friday 18th October
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I’m the opposite, wouldn’t be without it! I remember after a 500 mile trip home from Le Mans one year in blazing sun in my S1 I had to throw away my t-shirt lol. When I got out of the car I’d sweated so much there was an outline of the seatbelt marked in salt!

mario328

148 posts

134 months

Friday 18th October
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giveitfish said:
Can confirm that A/C pipes in sills still an issue in 2016 cars
After reading that "list" of faults with the V6 Exige I thought... Wow, I've had one major fault as in the aircon pipes in the RHS sill, got them replaced a few years ago and it has been faultless since. The only other niggle I have suffered in 11years of ownership and 19k miles is a seized windscreen washer motor, which cost me less than £50 to DIY fix.

GTRene

17,828 posts

232 months

Friday 18th October
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Puzzles said:
I think the only thing that would get me out my S1 is one of the late 250bhp versions.

If the ac breaks I’d be fking annoyed though.
Those do look lovely indeed, looked at a few a while ago online and the specs.

looks like a great combo and you could tune it a bit more later on when you want more, but the base is already very good, great combo.