S1 elise ceramic brakes...

S1 elise ceramic brakes...

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noodleman

827 posts

180 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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The issues you've described are often discussed whenever the question of MMC brakes or early clutch piped S1s arises.

You got jumped on because there seems to be no reason for your post, years after you've sold the car. If you'd responded to someone else's post asking about early S1 issues, I'm pretty sure the responses would have been more measured.

bogie

15,261 posts

239 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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I dont believe there are any Elise still in existence, that may still have the obsolete MMC discs fitted (other than the odd one in a collection maybe)

most people just changed them to traditional iron disks as they couldnt get replacements and that was the end of that

every Elise BBS/forum since 1998 has had this information on MMCs, I know when I bought mine in 2002 it was common knowledge amongst owners and the pros/cons of keeping MMC on the S1 or upgrading was a popular argument back in 2001

sorry to hear it tainted your opinion of the car, im sure if you had a drive in a modern Elise SC with ABS, aircon, carpets, and seats that dont cripple you in 10 mins, you would have a different opinion once more LOL wink

GT03ROB

10,736 posts

188 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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bogie said:
I dont believe there are any Elise still in existence, that may still have the obsolete MMC discs fitted (other than the odd one in a collection maybe)
Bogie.......wavey

mrdexter

Original Poster:

39 posts

143 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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funny thing is, when i sold i knew s1 value for mine was at the bottom and is actually higher now....

i blamed my back ache on the crippling seats and it was months after i sold it, i discovered it was a side effect of a medicine i was taking when i came off it!!!

thegreenhell

9,017 posts

186 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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GT03ROB said:
bogie said:
I dont believe there are any Elise still in existence, that may still have the obsolete MMC discs fitted (other than the odd one in a collection maybe)
Bogie.......wavey
There are even some mad people who have reverted to MMC brakes after having had normal iron ones on their car for a while.

bogie

15,261 posts

239 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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GT03ROB said:
bogie said:
I dont believe there are any Elise still in existence, that may still have the obsolete MMC discs fitted (other than the odd one in a collection maybe)
Bogie.......wavey
smile ...do you drive it still then or is it a museum piece? ...I didnt think you could still get the pads etc

Gooby

9,264 posts

201 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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mrdexter said:
gooby


i notice you dont dispute any of the faults i mention...

it drives well but it was rushed together and the video of the car put out by lotus demonstrates this ...
I cant be bothered to dispute points with a troll.
You wait 7 years to air your grievence? You are either a troll or you have only just learned about this interweb thingy.
Your style is someone looking for an arguement, you are not interested in a debate just your asertations.
I do have one "observation" - the awful brakes that are killers, didnt kill you. Perhaps basic driving skills like driving to the conditions could help?

Also if you had any sence you would know that modern performance cars are offered with ceramic brakes, though they are critised for lack of feel and needing time to "warm up" they are a significant feature of fast cars. But you could critise a small car that was VERY cheap for the performance it offered for being the first with ceramic braking tech, personally I would have been proud to have owned such a landmark car.

Oh hell, I am being sucked into this one...

You are in a forum full of fans - what did you expect? everone to say "yeah, it is st!"? It has been hailed by critics and car lovers as being one of the best cars ever made.

What you are basically saying is if you own an early S1 elise, you are an idiot.

Troll on, but be aware that you are known as a troll, I hope you are treated with the contempt you deserve.


Edited by Gooby on Wednesday 31st March 17:52

Gooby

9,264 posts

201 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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Lotusjez

29 posts

143 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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It's an old adage but still holds true.
Never have an argument with an idiot.
They bring you down to their level, then batter you with experience.


mrdexter

Original Poster:

39 posts

143 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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lets just say back in the day...

when you could buy a detatched house for 70,000 in middle england it was a very expensive relative rarety and people old and young loved to stop and chat about it and on club events i was amazed at the age of those attending...
the majority at the seminars were men in their 60 s hands up asking for more power and all very gentlemanly!!!

how times change !!! as for troll,

water off a ducks back , and i d hazard a guess by shear evidence of nature in that critisism is to be ignored, you probably drive around in a bright colour, bother to remove the roof to be seen, and step out of your car with a smug look rather than satisfied one ....

Lotusjez

29 posts

143 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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I rest my case.

Mark B

1,596 posts

232 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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mrdexter said:
funny thing is, when i sold i knew s1 value for mine was at the bottom and is actually higher now....

i blamed my back ache on the crippling seats and it was months after i sold it, i discovered it was a side effect of a medicine i was taking when i came off it!!!
I suggest you go back and get another presciption...

VTECMatt

903 posts

205 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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GT03ROB said:
bogie said:
I dont believe there are any Elise still in existence, that may still have the obsolete MMC discs fitted (other than the odd one in a collection maybe)
Bogie.......wavey
Bogie.......wavey although mine are going in the bin!

Mr Dexter

I think most would agree the S1 Elise was not the most reliable perfect car designed but it is not dangerous that would be the driver.

1) Rear Tyres lasting 3000 miles, bks unless you are using 48's or 888's and tracking it
2) I agree to some extent about the MMC's they are not great in the wet as I found out today! But if you leave a sensible distance then they are no worse than other non abs cars of that era
3) Why are you posting this now 7 years on?
4) If you were that unhappy why didnt you get shot?


Ganglandboss

8,039 posts

170 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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sleep

Herman Toothrot

6,702 posts

165 months

Wednesday 31st March 2010
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noodleman said:
mrdexter said:
sold it in 2003
So why post this 7 years later?
Taken that long to realise he's not driving it anymore? They tell you for your driving test that you should dab brakes to clear water from discs for someone to describe it as a major fault rolleyes has to have been asleep since the introduction of disc brakes.

Edited by Herman Toothrot on Wednesday 31st March 22:14

TIPPER

2,955 posts

186 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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mrdexter said:
lets just say back in the day...

when you could buy a detatched house for 70,000 in middle england it was a very expensive relative rarety and people old and young loved to stop and chat about it and on club events i was amazed at the age of those attending...
the majority at the seminars were men in their 60 s hands up asking for more power and all very gentlemanly!!!

how times change !!! as for troll,

water off a ducks back , and i d hazard a guess by shear evidence of nature in that critisism is to be ignored, you probably drive around in a bright colour, bother to remove the roof to be seen, and step out of your car with a smug look rather than satisfied one ....
How old are you?
I'm 52 and the S1 seats never crippled me. If you'd been fitter maybe you wouldn't have hurt your back getting in and out of the car?? Don't blame Lotus for your inability to keep yourself in better physical shape than being able to lift your arse out of your office chair or being hoisted out of your Ultima.

You seem to have an axe to grind ages after you sold you're car.

As I said earlier if you can't drive then buy a Toyota: (Plenty of heroes who can't drive in Ultimas (and Eliges too!) - if you were any good you wouldn't feel the need to have made your post: Try keeping a distance appropriate to your ability to stop and don't blame the car for driver error! As a mature, responsible driver (????) you should have been aware of the MMC brakes need for regular 'brushing' in wet weather. Do you just jump into a car and drive balls out without knowing if it can stop??? Sounds like it - Keep 999 on fastdial on your phone in case you ahve any other driver errors.

You laugh at how times change - I was born in a society that embraced personal responsibility: times have indeed changed. You blame someone else for your lack of thought, skill and roadcraft.
WTF is wrong with you? - Just been stuffed by a 120bhp Elise at a Sprint/Hillclimb or was it outdriving you (maybe with MMC brakes) on a track day.?

You've displayed your level of ignorance of the car by referring to them as 'ceramic discs'.
Now clear off and leave the forum to those that understand the cars. You clearly haven't a clue what you drove nor understood it. Sounds like you you have money to buy the bhp but not a clue how to use it or drive properly.
Incidently do you have an Ultima or just dream of being able to drive one???

You sound a complete and utter arse to me - what sort of crap can Ultima expect from you when you exceed your ability?

ARSE!!!!!!!

mrdexter

Original Poster:

39 posts

143 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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was the lotus appointed garage that sold the car that used the brake technology described as ceramic ,as a selling point.!!!!

my driving skill is not in question, simply put wet brakes means no brakes whatsoever until you ve dabbed them a couple of times...

All the faults i ve mentioned are factual....

the tyres i used were the road advans and if i remember corectly the air pressure was 23 and 26 and if it drifted 1 out you could feel it on the handling the elise is so fine tuned (also little grip for first 2 miles).. most of my driving was country lanes which by nature take their toll on tyres and suspension (hence all bottom ball joints changed at 20,000 )

i liked the elise for its shear abiliy , but lotus were not helpfull nor was there much support from them back then.... many cars were spun off on corners such was the poor driving skill of owners who bought into a propper handling sports car and the tyres were reduced on the front to make this less likely...

Most will never drive it anywhere near its capabilities as they lack the skill to do so, should they try to on the public roads ,a small bump at speed is enough to unsettle the car and set the path in motion for a a 360 multiple spin....

3000 miles is genuinly all i got from my tyres and i always moaned about that !!!

mine was a titanium one and i always buy less conspicuous colours as its the driving experience i enjoy , not the pulics addoration !!!

good car to drive, but many pitfalls as a 40000 mile sub £10,000 car for some newbie on a tight budget...

Gooby

9,264 posts

201 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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You do seem hell bent on proving that you are an idiot.

If you got only 3k miles from a set of tyres then there are only 2 options.
1) The geo is incorrect and you get it set up, that is obvious from the wear pattern on the tyres and even a kwik fit muppet could figure it out.
2) You drive like a tool

Either way, tyres do not wear out by themself unless you are going to blame Lotus for paranormal posession?

MMC disks were the forerunner to full ceramic discs. Like thier characteristic ceramic discs, you have to get them warm to do their job. That is well known and well publicised at the time, if you were stupid enough to turn a blind eye to the details of the car such as the "quirks" of the brakes then you are a moron and a fool. This is your shortfall and not the cars. Ceramic brake systems are now a £20k option on many cars (about the cost of a new S1!).

The seats, it does seem that 99.9% of owners find the seats great (please count me in). If you are incapable of picking up a yellow pages and looking under "chiropractor" then default to your standard excuse and blame Lotus.

Lotus suspension is unsettled? Do you have any insight whatsoever? Lotus suspension systems are the best on the planet.

Why has your rant taken 7 years to surface? Do you harbour some sort of resentment to people who are able to have fun and not blame others for thier deficiencies? Perhaps you should be on the line to accident direct so you can sue Nike because you tied your laces together. I do admit, I am putting a lot of faith in your abilities, tying laces can be difficult.


Edited by Gooby on Thursday 1st April 09:33

SeanyD

3,309 posts

167 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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mrdexter said:
a small bump at speed is enough to unsettle the car and set the path in motion for a a 360 multiple spin....
That is absolute rubbish. Lotus suspension is solid enough to instantly absorb the energy of small bumps/potholes with ease, fair enough inside the car you'll feel the bang and will know about it, but thats it, over and done with in an instant. Many other road cars would likely be unbalanced leaving you with a few moments of bounciness/wooliness/vagueness to contend with.

You having owned one for 4 years, I'd have thought you'd know that.

GT03ROB

10,736 posts

188 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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bogie said:
GT03ROB said:
bogie said:
I dont believe there are any Elise still in existence, that may still have the obsolete MMC discs fitted (other than the odd one in a collection maybe)
Bogie.......wavey
smile ...do you drive it still then or is it a museum piece? ...I didnt think you could still get the pads etc
Yeah still gets driven. You can still get pads

http://www.eliseparts.com/products/show/22/18/mmc-...

The Elan is the museum piece!