Men and overtaking

[Dr Jekyll]

vonhosen said:

And it would be a waste of money is what I'm saying.
Tell me, do you drive like you would if you were on a driving test all the time?
Another test won't make people drive like they should all the time, they'll drive like they need to in order to past the test & then go back to doing what they want to do. And you'd probably do the same.
You are better off having a points system to get people who don't drive as they should be off the roads for a period of time.
Oh hang on...

A few months back I was on a refresher lesson, 2 riders with 1 instructor (not an 'observer' he actually was an instructor with the police). He picked up on the fact that in particular situation my positioning put me unnecessarily close to one of the hazards. He also spotted that the other rider had made an overtake where someone could possibly have entered the road from the right.

We weren't making those mistakes because we 'wanted do', we were just getting it wrong. As a result of that feedback we've both improved our riding. The idea that we wanted to reduce safety margins and would seize the opportunity to do so once out of sight of the instructor is absurd.

It isn't possible to pass a test just by putting on an act for the examiner, if it was there would be no point in any driving test, you have to know how to drive to that standard in the first place, and practice. In the case of post L test driving, as I'm quite sure you know examiners can tell the difference between someone who drives carefully by default and someone who knows the theory but normally gets sloppy, the latter can't maintain the standard consistently for 40 minutes.

PS Yes I generally do drive pretty much like I'm on a driving test (with the occasional exception of speed in some NSLs) and I definitely do when I've got a ROSPA retest or similar coming up.

Edited by Dr Jekyll on Saturday 3rd October 18:19

[RSTurboPaul]

vonhosen said:

Dr Jekyll said:

vonhosen said:

Dr Jekyll said:

dvenman said:

The only way to get people to take any sort of periodic review of their driving is through lower insurance premiums, IMO. That way there's a tangible benefit to it. You're right that no government would mandate periodic reviews but they can encourage insurance companies to look at the statistics for those with some sort of CPD and see if they're generally safer.

It's the government that mandated driving tests in the first place. Private pilots have to have reviews so what's the difference?

Numbers for a start.

Would you welcome the restrictions being placed on all drivers that pilots have for their licencing & use of vehicle ?
There's more freedom on the roads than in the air.

Restriction in the sense of being retested every year or two yes, that's what I said.

Come to think of it having to take written tests that might take a modicum of intelligence to pass would be a great idea.

That's only a small amount of the restrictions on being a pilot & the movement of aircraft.
I'd rather any money available be spent of all number of things than retesting 40 million drivers.
That would be waste of money IMHO.

It would be less of a waste of money than Project fking Moonshot to test the entire population every week for a virus that is no risk to 99.95% of the population... lol

[vonhosen]

Dr Jekyll said:

vonhosen said:

And it would be a waste of money is what I'm saying.
Tell me, do you drive like you would if you were on a driving test all the time?
Another test won't make people drive like they should all the time, they'll drive like they need to in order to past the test & then go back to doing what they want to do. And you'd probably do the same.
You are better off having a points system to get people who don't drive as they should be off the roads for a period of time.
Oh hang on...

A few months back I was on a refresher lesson, 2 riders with 1 instructor (not an 'observer' he actually was an instructor with the police). He picked up on the fact that in particular situation my positioning put me unnecessarily close to one of the hazards. He also spotted that the other rider had made an overtake where someone could possibly have entered the road from the right.

We weren't making those mistakes because we 'wanted do', we were just getting it wrong. As a result of that feedback we've both improved our riding. The idea that we wanted to reduce safety margins and would seize the opportunity to do so once out of sight of the instructor is absurd.

It isn't possible to pass a test just by putting on an act for the examiner, if it was there would be no point in any driving test, you have to know how to drive to that standard in the first place, and practice. In the case of post L test driving, as I'm quite sure you know examiners can tell the difference between someone who drives carefully by default and someone who knows the theory but normally gets sloppy, the latter can't maintain the standard consistently for 40 minutes.

And a test is not training.

It is possible to pass a test by giving somebody what they want to see & then you are now at liberty to do things the way you want. I've done it & I see many others doing it. I'm quite capable of passing a test, but I don't drive like the examiner would like all the time because that's not how I want to drive.
The only purpose of the test is to see that they can perform to the minimum competency required to obtain the licence & they've already done that.
Post test it's scrutiny/sanction that is more likely to shape behaviour than another test in 3 years time.
The money spent on setting up & running a testing system for 40 million drivers would be better spent on investment in Roads Policing who could actually detect & deal with how people are driving day to day rather than the 45 mins in a test.

[Dizeee]

vonhosen said:

. I've done it & I see many others doing it. I'm quite capable of passing a test, but I don't drive like the examiner would like all the time because that's not how I want to drive.

Are you saying you resort to a "twenty to five" hands position on the weekend? Tut tut.

On a side note I hear there was a slight "issue" last week with an insurance policy, and some sudden gaps appeared overnight... is that close to being rectified?

[vonhosen]

You have mail.

[Dizeee]

As do you... Sir.