Brake gear overlap and tiptronics

Brake gear overlap and tiptronics

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Max_Torque

15,857 posts

176 months

Sunday 30th August
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IMO, the benefit of avoiding brake/gear overlap is now nothing to do with any physics of the car and everything to do with the human driving that car!

Modern cars, frankly, you can do what you like with the controls and the car will sort it out. With DSC, ABS, DSG, auto etc etc the car can and will cope. It'll even open the throttle to prevent too low a gear selection from causing excessive yaw (called "active torque-up" in the DSC palance).

But, the meatware behind the wheel, us, well we are pretty much the same old bag of worms we've always been. Teaching the seperation of inputs allows the driver to slow / calm down their inputs and actually forces them to drive slower and less agressively, and it is this that is the benefit......

Salted_Peanut

421 posts

13 months

Sunday 30th August
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While I understand the benefit (avoiding hurtling towards hazards), advanced riding achieves the same end without such a kerfuffle about BGOL. Any fuss should be about approach speed, not BGOL abstinence.

PhilAsia

95 posts

34 months

Saturday 5th September
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Max_Torque said:
IMO, the benefit of avoiding brake/gear overlap is now nothing to do with any physics of the car and everything to do with the human driving that car!

Indeed. I think that has always been the case though.

Modern cars, frankly, you can do what you like with the controls and the car will sort it out. With DSC, ABS, DSG, auto etc etc the car can and will cope. It'll even open the throttle to prevent too low a gear selection from causing excessive yaw (called "active torque-up" in the DSC palance).

But, the meatware behind the wheel, us, well we are pretty much the same old bag of worms we've always been. Teaching the seperation of inputs allows the driver to slow / calm down their inputs and actually forces them to drive slower and less agressively, and it is this that is the benefit......
I never used to, but I now (depending on ability) believe there is a place beyond BGOL though. Still the same safe practices, but an extension of that ability. Albeit H&T, LFB in auto and manual, etc.

Salted_Peanut

421 posts

13 months

Tuesday 3rd November
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It appears the new edition of Motorcycle Roadcraft takes a flexible approach to BGOL. It infers that avoiding BGOL is valuable to learn as part of early training to prevent a rushed approach to hazards. But the 2020 edition also implies that BGOL (unfairly) has a bad reputation.

What does the new edition of Roadcraft say about BGOL for car drivers?

dvenman

161 posts

74 months

Wednesday 4th November
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Salted_Peanut said:
What does the new edition of Roadcraft say about BGOL for car drivers?
Having systematically read both your question, and car RoadCraft, pretty much the same, TBH.