Advanced riders - lower rate of collision per mile

Advanced riders - lower rate of collision per mile

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Salted_Peanut

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427 posts

14 months

Thursday 8th October
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Has anyone seen or got a link to the study on which this IAM press release is based?

IAM Roadsmart said:
Conducted for the UK’s largest independent road safety charity, the survey of nearly 1,300 riders, split evenly between IAM RoadSmart members and non-advanced qualified motorcyclists, also revealed [...] Higher levels of riding confidence by advanced motorcyclists was also evident in their choice of speed, on various different road scenarios.

The study also revealed that advanced riders have fewer collisions per year when compared to other riders in their age group and have a lower rate of collision involvement per mile. IAM RoadSmart riders covered, on average, 15,000 miles incident-free compared to non-IAM RoadSmart riders who had a collision, on average, every 9,400 miles.

Dr Jekyll

20,616 posts

221 months

Friday 9th October
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Even 15,000 miles between 'incidents' sounds pretty horrifying.

golden-motley

21 posts

37 months

Monday 12th October
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That is pretty interesting how it goes!

Pothole

31,430 posts

242 months

Tuesday 13th October
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In terms of "collision involvement" I think I've done about 60000 miles since I was bunted off in Dalston 15 years ago. (I had a 4 years off while I lived in Malta. You don't want to ride a bike there) I am put off IAM as it seems somewhat holier than thou.

underwhelmist

1,049 posts

94 months

Tuesday 13th October
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I was in the IAM and might yet return, my local group was a good social ride out on Sunday mornings. I do remember them quoting a statistic that IAM qualified riders who had been qualified for 5 years or more without additional training had a greater risk of accident than non-qualified riders. Something to do with over-confidence and the Dunning-Kruger effect I guess.

Salted_Peanut

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427 posts

14 months

Tuesday 13th October
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underwhelmist said:
I was in the IAM and might yet return, my local group was a good social ride out on Sunday mornings.
@Pothole My experience is that despite IAM HQ coming across as holier than thou, the IAM's local bike groups are generally excellent (with good social ride outs, etc). The two are different kettles of IAM fish. But I wish IAM HQ would get real in the communications it spouts!

underwhelmist said:
I do remember them quoting a statistic that IAM qualified riders who had been qualified for 5 years or more without additional training ...
The statistic quoted in a recent issue of Advanced Driving magazine reported that accident rates are significantly lower for the first 3-4 years after passing an IAM test. Without further training, the accident rate returns to the same as everyone else (skills must degrade without refresher training). The numbers came from Cornhill insurance.

Majorslow

805 posts

89 months

Wednesday 21st October
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Best bet then is to join "ROSPA" riders and do the Rospa test, as to remain a member you have to retake the test every 3 years.

I attend my local groups agm every year, and most of them appear to be bikers.

I took the IAM test just after qualifying as an ADI (where as part of your qualification you have to do an "advanced" driving test, so I didn't feel that i required any further training.

For the "ROSPA" test I "refreshed" my driving skills and spent 4 hours with a lady in her 70@s who was brilliant at pointing out a few things, since I passed that done no further training other than reading road craft, and trying to drive properly

go ROSPA for me the better organisation smile

Salted_Peanut

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427 posts

14 months

Thursday 22nd October
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@Majorslow How do you know I haven't got half a dozen Golds wink ? And as an ADI, you'll already have a lot of knowledge, so why haven't you done IAM Masters to develop your skills and professional expertise? I know first-hand what the ADI Part 2 is like, and you'd find Masters a gratifying step up.

Majorslow said:
I took the IAM test just after qualifying as an ADI (where as part of your qualification you have to do an "advanced" driving test, so I didn't feel that i required any further training. For the "ROSPA" test I "refreshed" my driving skills and spent 4 hours with a lady in her 70@s who was brilliant at pointing out a few things, since I passed that done no further training other than reading road craft, and trying to drive properly
Erm, you took no IAM tuition (because you didn't need it) and only four hours RoSPA tuition. When you teach learners, do you encourage them to do only the bare minimum training? tongue out

Pothole

31,430 posts

242 months

Thursday 22nd October
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Salted_Peanut said:
@Majorslow How do you know I haven't got half a dozen Golds wink ? And as an ADI, you'll already have a lot of knowledge, so why haven't you done IAM Masters to develop your skills and professional expertise? I know first-hand what the ADI Part 2 is like, and you'd find Masters a gratifying step up.

Majorslow said:
I took the IAM test just after qualifying as an ADI (where as part of your qualification you have to do an "advanced" driving test, so I didn't feel that i required any further training. For the "ROSPA" test I "refreshed" my driving skills and spent 4 hours with a lady in her 70@s who was brilliant at pointing out a few things, since I passed that done no further training other than reading road craft, and trying to drive properly
Erm, you took no IAM tuition (because you didn't need it) and only four hours RoSPA tuition. When you teach learners, do you encourage them to do only the bare minimum training? tongue out
Oh, look. Snarkiness. See my opinion above.

Salted_Peanut

Original Poster:

427 posts

14 months

Thursday 22nd October
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Alongside the ceremony with the goat, demonstrating snarkiness is an essential part of the initiation rights to join the IAM smile