Puretech Belt Failures?

[noumenon]

I'm hearing reports of timing belt failures and being belt in oil, when they do disintegrate, the debris can lead to engine failure. Anyone know how high the instance of this is? Any recall or other info? All insights appreciated.

[kuro]

Thread resurrection. It's a problem and I suspect I'm about to become it's latest victim. Whoever thought designing an engine with a belt in oil was a good idea needs shooting. PSA are aware of it although whether you get any goodwill depends on the dealer. The fact that they are currently redesigning this engine to use a cam chain says it all.

[Old Merc]

When I first heard about a cambelt running in oil, I thought someone was pulling my....... chain.
Take a look at this Peugeot forum, there`s 10 pages about it.!! https://www.peugeotforums.com/threads/timing-belt-...

[kuro]

Old Merc said:

When I first heard about a cambelt running in oil, I thought someone was pulling my....... chain.
Take a look at this Peugeot forum, there`s 10 pages about it.!! https://www.peugeotforums.com/threads/timing-belt-...

Yep, that thread sums it up. Practically all PSA group cars offer this engine in their model ranges. Quite a few on the 308 Facebook group failing as well. Would be interesting to know the actual fail rate is but likely impossible to find out unless PSA openly admit it.

[stevemcs]

We had one last year, we think the car had more history too it than its 70k showing on the clock. The belt was beginning to break up, we changed it but the car never did run right (before and after)

[Old Merc]

Peugeot had engines with "Cambelts" running in oil FIFTY FIVE YEARS ago. The belt ran the Kugelfisher injection pump on 404`s and later 504`s.

They never fell to bits or failed, mind you in those days Peugeot`s were strong, well built reliable cars.

[kuro]

My car had problems with intermittent EML lights with "engine fault have vehicle repaired" on two occasions. Both times it was vvt solenoids clogged.

Had the last one done a couple of weeks back but at this point I had lost all confidence in the car. I'm pretty sure the reason is down to debris from the belt. The potential of a £5k bill to replace the engine convinced me to trade it in for something Japanese with a camchain.

Edited by kuro on Thursday 5th November 14:26

Edited by kuro on Thursday 5th November 14:52

[kuro]

PSA have issued a recall on over half a million puretech engines manufactured between 2013 and 2017. Peugeot, Citroën and DS models worldwide are affected by the recall due to the possible damage to the vacuum pump and brake booster failure caused by disintegration of the cambelt. Looks like a safety issue had finally forced their hand.

[ahas]

I've got mine booked in for April. Earliest they could give me!
I'm hoping they'll change it. I read they just measure the belt (somehow) and that will be used to determine whether they swap the belt over.

One chap on the Peugeot forums said that he spends most of his days replacing belts as its a huge issue. Loss of oil pressure (due to belt disintegrating and blocking oil filter) causing car into limp mode probably saves the engine.
Guy at our local dealer suggests its a small number in comparison of the "millions of engines out there... "

When we bought the Mrs her C4 Grand Picasso I'd factored in £400 to pay for a belt change before 50k miles.
Would love for it to be changed under the recall

Would be interested to know if anyone has already or has a recall booked in earlier.

[Rs676767]

Hi would this affect the 82bhp 1.2 peugeot 208 model? As having issues with engine warning light saying stop engine oil fault or pressure. Changed oil and there were hard debris in the bottom. Only had it serviced 2 months ago.

[Twig62]

Rs676767 said:

Hi would this affect the 82bhp 1.2 peugeot 208 model? As having issues with engine warning light saying stop engine oil fault or pressure. Changed oil and there were hard debris in the bottom. Only had it serviced 2 months ago.

Yes, definitely. Stop driving it and get it to the dealers a.s.a.p. Has it got a full Peugeot service history ?