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Does anyone have experience with the electronic limiters on these things?
A couple of months ago on a particularly quiet stretch of autobahn I let 'er rip, and chickened out at 255km/h indicated (253km/h according to the dashcam, which is driven by GPS). The car felt like it still had plenty to give!
Did I happen to let go of the throttle just before the limiter would have kicked in? The car's specs say it's limited to 250km/h.
A couple of months ago on a particularly quiet stretch of autobahn I let 'er rip, and chickened out at 255km/h indicated (253km/h according to the dashcam, which is driven by GPS). The car felt like it still had plenty to give!
Did I happen to let go of the throttle just before the limiter would have kicked in? The car's specs say it's limited to 250km/h.
iKenndac said:
Does anyone have experience with the electronic limiters on these things?
A couple of months ago on a particularly quiet stretch of autobahn I let 'er rip, and chickened out at 255km/h indicated (253km/h according to the dashcam, which is driven by GPS). The car felt like it still had plenty to give!
Did I happen to let go of the throttle just before the limiter would have kicked in? The car's specs say it's limited to 250km/h.
I will test it next time I am here A couple of months ago on a particularly quiet stretch of autobahn I let 'er rip, and chickened out at 255km/h indicated (253km/h according to the dashcam, which is driven by GPS). The car felt like it still had plenty to give!
Did I happen to let go of the throttle just before the limiter would have kicked in? The car's specs say it's limited to 250km/h.
https://jalopnik.com/this-dead-end-highway-in-germ...
One thing I noticed - when I drive at WOT in the upper gears, the torque meter can sometimes show >320NM for a few seconds. Wonder how it is monitoring that.
BarryGibb said:
One thing I noticed - when I drive at WOT in the upper gears, the torque meter can sometimes show >320NM for a few seconds. Wonder how it is monitoring that.
All the cars seem to dyno more than 320nm and 250ps. On the other hand the S seems to be a bit shy of its 292ps and hence the difference in performance is smaller than you might expect. Not sure quite how much effect use of 99octane fuel has - but mine seemed to go quite a bit better when I switched back to 99 after a period of enforced 95 use.bcr5784 said:
All the cars seem to dyno more than 320nm and 250ps. On the other hand the S seems to be a bit shy of its 292ps and hence the difference in performance is smaller than you might expect. Not sure quite how much effect use of 99octane fuel has - but mine seemed to go quite a bit better when I switched back to 99 after a period of enforced 95 use.
I did wonder about the output, the car does feel surprisingly spritely even allowing for the low weight. My most recent reference point is an SC Elise with 217bhp pushing 930kgs vs 248bhp pushing circa 1100kgs. So 233bhp/ton vs 225bhp/ton yet the Alpine feels much quicker both through the gears as you would expect but in gear and especially at higher speeds.
Venisonpie said:
I did wonder about the output, the car does feel surprisingly spritely even allowing for the low weight. My most recent reference point is an SC Elise with 217bhp pushing 930kgs vs 248bhp pushing circa 1100kgs.
So 233bhp/ton vs 225bhp/ton yet the Alpine feels much quicker both through the gears as you would expect but in gear and especially at higher speeds.
Yes I found a big difference - the A110 feels an altogether quicker car than the S220 I drove. I couldn't find a decent comparison with an S220 - but if you look at this https://zeperfs.com/en/duel6621-6159.htm the base A110 sees off the Cup 250 comprehensively, both in gear and through the gears. So 233bhp/ton vs 225bhp/ton yet the Alpine feels much quicker both through the gears as you would expect but in gear and especially at higher speeds.
BarryGibb said:
The torque meter can sometimes show >320NM for a few seconds. Wonder how it is monitoring that.
It's highly likely that both the power and torque figures are just calculated from things like RPM, boost pressure, and simulated load, or maybe even just a flat lookup table (this fast + this gear + this throttle = this power/torque). Depending on your view of things, this makes those readouts either an educated calculation, or complete fiction. Fun fact: The oil pressure gauge on the mk. 3 (NC) Mazda MX-5 is simulated in this manner, based only on RPM and engine temperature — the actual oil pressure sensor was a simple on/off affair. This made lots of people very angry.
iKenndac said:
It's highly likely that both the power and torque figures are just calculated from things like RPM, boost pressure, and simulated load, or maybe even just a flat lookup table (this fast + this gear + this throttle = this power/torque). Depending on your view of things, this makes those readouts either an educated calculation, or complete fiction.
Fun fact: The oil pressure gauge on the mk. 3 (NC) Mazda MX-5 is simulated in this manner, based only on RPM and engine temperature — the actual oil pressure sensor was a simple on/off affair. This made lots of people very angry.
Including me when my bottom end went with not a glimmer of a warning and the oil levels regularly checked Fun fact: The oil pressure gauge on the mk. 3 (NC) Mazda MX-5 is simulated in this manner, based only on RPM and engine temperature — the actual oil pressure sensor was a simple on/off affair. This made lots of people very angry.
Thankfully Mazda eventually coughed up for it but not without a bit of resistance!Mannginger said:
Including me when my bottom end went with not a glimmer of a warning and the oil levels regularly checked Thankfully Mazda eventually coughed up for it but not without a bit of resistance!
I didn't get worked up about it like a bunch of people on forums did (but, you know… forums). However, it was a silly design. The failure state was far too subtle — if you did lose oil pressure, your oil "pressure" needle would move half a centimetre below where it normally sits for trundling around, and the chances of you noticing in time were basically nonexistent. Thankfully Mazda eventually coughed up for it but not without a bit of resistance!For something as catastrophic as losing oil pressure that fast, you really need a very large bright red flashing light and a "STOP THE CAR RIGHT NOW" beeper.
iKenndac said:
Does anyone have experience with the electronic limiters on these things?
A couple of months ago on a particularly quiet stretch of autobahn I let 'er rip, and chickened out at 255km/h indicated (253km/h according to the dashcam, which is driven by GPS). The car felt like it still had plenty to give!
Did I happen to let go of the throttle just before the limiter would have kicked in? The car's specs say it's limited to 250km/h.
A couple of months ago on a particularly quiet stretch of autobahn I let 'er rip, and chickened out at 255km/h indicated (253km/h according to the dashcam, which is driven by GPS). The car felt like it still had plenty to give!
Did I happen to let go of the throttle just before the limiter would have kicked in? The car's specs say it's limited to 250km/h.
for the thorough and scientific test of Vmax for the A110. Are you the first person to do so?
Miserablegit said:
for the thorough and scientific test of Vmax for the A110. Are you the first person to do so?
A great day out at Brands today on the GP circuit. First time I've taken the car on track so I didn't push very hard but it was still fun. I liked the way the car moved around so not sure I'd want to tie it down just yet - I might change my mind in the future!!
There was another Alpine there but didn't have the chance to talk to them.
There was another Alpine there but didn't have the chance to talk to them.
BarryGibb said:
A great day out at Brands today on the GP circuit. First time I've taken the car on track so I didn't push very hard but it was still fun. I liked the way the car moved around so not sure I'd want to tie it down just yet - I might change my mind in the future!!
There was another Alpine there but didn't have the chance to talk to them.
Blimey, that's impressive for a new car. Which track day co was it?There was another Alpine there but didn't have the chance to talk to them.
Venisonpie said:
BarryGibb said:
A great day out at Brands today on the GP circuit. First time I've taken the car on track so I didn't push very hard but it was still fun. I liked the way the car moved around so not sure I'd want to tie it down just yet - I might change my mind in the future!!
There was another Alpine there but didn't have the chance to talk to them.
Blimey, that's impressive for a new car. Which track day co was it?There was another Alpine there but didn't have the chance to talk to them.
BarryGibb said:
A great day out at Brands today on the GP circuit. First time I've taken the car on track so I didn't push very hard but it was still fun. I liked the way the car moved around so not sure I'd want to tie it down just yet - I might change my mind in the future!!
If you are after lap times I'm sure it be would better if it was more "tied down". If you just want fun even on track it still takes some beating.was anyone keeping an eye on the car that just sold on Collecting Cars?
Grey Legend with 1000 miles. £40k plus 6pc buyers premium
seemed v cheap to me...what am I missing? The retro wheels and brown leather a bit specialist?
thinking of getting one. Completely different but similar conceptually to my old R26R. French / different / interesting / breathes with the road
Grey Legend with 1000 miles. £40k plus 6pc buyers premium
seemed v cheap to me...what am I missing? The retro wheels and brown leather a bit specialist?
thinking of getting one. Completely different but similar conceptually to my old R26R. French / different / interesting / breathes with the road
Not sure why it would be so cheap. Option choices? Doesn’t look as though it has a sports exhaust.
Seller info is Iain_Litchfield, based in Tewkesbury. So it could be a car used by Litchfield to tweak tuning changes on? No idea, but either way seems like a bargain.
That black premiere edition sold pretty quickly as well
Seller info is Iain_Litchfield, based in Tewkesbury. So it could be a car used by Litchfield to tweak tuning changes on? No idea, but either way seems like a bargain.
That black premiere edition sold pretty quickly as well
Edited by WakeFlakes on Friday 6th November 12:37
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