The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

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Pugaris

242 posts

8 months

Saturday 27th February
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biggbn said:
I think prime Bruno would have tore a hole in today's heavyweight division with the exception of Fury. I think history has been unkind to him, a tremendous jab, a tremendously powerful driven individual and proper old school stop a horse power. I don't even think he was 'chinny', he froze when he was tagged but I always felt that was due to pride, he refused to go down after the press labelled him weak in the whiskers area after he fought Jumbo Cummings early in his career. The punishment he took from Tyson in fight one was incredible. A proud man and genuine sporting hero in my eyes, want the press did to him after his problems was inexcusable, the Sun in particular

His early defeats were against world champions, and his only subsequent ones against modern greats...and he gave both of them a bloody good argument!!
Don't disagree with any of this except I don't think he's better than AJ, actually think they're quite similar fighters at a very similar level. He was a very, very good fighter unlucky to have competed in one of the best 2 eras in the division. Agree he wasn't chinny, took a lot to buzz him but he definitely didn't know how to defend himself when he was hurt and that was his biggest weakness.

His fight against Lewis, despite losing, is actually his most impressive performance imo. Was a hell of a lot more competitive than either of the Holyfield fights.

biggbn

9,641 posts

184 months

Saturday 27th February
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Pugaris said:
biggbn said:
I think prime Bruno would have tore a hole in today's heavyweight division with the exception of Fury. I think history has been unkind to him, a tremendous jab, a tremendously powerful driven individual and proper old school stop a horse power. I don't even think he was 'chinny', he froze when he was tagged but I always felt that was due to pride, he refused to go down after the press labelled him weak in the whiskers area after he fought Jumbo Cummings early in his career. The punishment he took from Tyson in fight one was incredible. A proud man and genuine sporting hero in my eyes, want the press did to him after his problems was inexcusable, the Sun in particular

His early defeats were against world champions, and his only subsequent ones against modern greats...and he gave both of them a bloody good argument!!
Don't disagree with any of this except I don't think he's better than AJ, actually think they're quite similar fighters at a very similar level. He was a very, very good fighter unlucky to have competed in one of the best 2 eras in the division. Agree he wasn't chinny, took a lot to buzz him but he definitely didn't know how to defend himself when he was hurt and that was his biggest weakness.

His fight against Lewis, despite losing, is actually his most impressive performance imo. Was a hell of a lot more competitive than either of the Holyfield fights.
I think him and AJ are similar but suspect AJ may yet reach his 'prime' but like for like right now prime Bruno Ko's the best AJ we have seen so far. Somebody else suggested Bruno Ko's pre Steward Wlad and I see parallels there. AJ may morph into a jab and grab fighter as we saw against Parker and an evolution of that fighter might maul and bore his way to a decision over Bruno, but we have yet to see that evolutionary line competed with AJ.

fridaypassion

5,477 posts

192 months

Sunday 28th February
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Another consideration is how todays top fighters are super managed and you can be pretty sure that Bruno had it a lot harder coming to the top than AJ has. AJ has had a mid level route to the top against someone like Fury who's kind of beamed in a bit. We have seen this approach backfire a bit recently with fighters like Dubois and I think Callum Smith end up totally out of their depth as soon as they start their "real" fight career. I'm not sure this type of career management was a thing until the last decade. Also 4 belts aids a bit of fight picking. Mayweather was very good at making sure he got the timing right meeting the top opponents.

biggbn

9,641 posts

184 months

Sunday 28th February
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Fair play to BT for not cancelling last night's show after headline fighter tested positive for Covid. Enjoyable enough bill.

Edit...just noticed Saunders fight confirmed by Alvarez for May!! Hope Bill gets himself in mental and physical shape for this!!

Edited by biggbn on Sunday 28th February 10:38

ThePackMan

292 posts

30 months

Sunday 28th February
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biggbn said:
Fair play to BT for not cancelling last night's show after headline fighter tested positive for Covid. Enjoyable enough bill.

Edit...just noticed Saunders fight confirmed by Alvarez for May!! Hope Bill gets himself in mental and physical shape for this!!

Edited by biggbn on Sunday 28th February 10:38
He always seems to get up for the bigger fights - and this is the biggest of his career, so you’d hope he’s ready. Certainly can’t use the “only 5 weeks notice” excuse. Yildrim was a joke, a punchbag would have given Canelo more opposition..

hyphen

19,570 posts

54 months

Sunday 28th February
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woohoo looking forward to Sanders Canelo.

DocJock

7,145 posts

204 months

Sunday 28th February
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Very disappointing performance from Yildrim. He took a heck of a lot of heavy shots in those 3 rounds though.

BobsPigeon

162 posts

3 months

Sunday 28th February
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It's the body shots, make me double over just watching them, seriously painful. Canelo puts himself in so much danger to thrown them though, he's so open when throwing the body shot to being countered with short right hand or being hooked...



But then he knows his chin is granite and if neither Golovkin nor Kovalev can put him down then BJS certainly won't and he won't get a decision either.

DocJock

7,145 posts

204 months

Sunday 28th February
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It was great to hear the shots landing. Canelo's really were hurtful with him punching right through the target just about every time.

BJS won't hurt Canelo and, as you say, never get a decision even if he did outbox him.(which I doubt)

biggbn

9,641 posts

184 months

Sunday 28th February
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DocJock said:
It was great to hear the shots landing. Canelo's really were hurtful with him punching right through the target just about every time.

BJS won't hurt Canelo and, as you say, never get a decision even if he did outbox him.(which I doubt)
I think he can outbox him and win a moral victory in defeat...

hyphen

19,570 posts

54 months

Sunday 28th February
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BJS's mentality though is different from most fighters Canelo has faced. He won't be fazed or have any fear.

And he is a bit nuts...


epom

7,651 posts

125 months

Sunday 28th February
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Anyone seriously think BJS can even trouble Canelo ?? I know he’s British but....

biggbn

9,641 posts

184 months

Sunday 28th February
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epom said:
Anyone seriously think BJS can even trouble Canelo ?? I know he’s British but....
I think as disgraceful a human being as he has been he is the best pure boxer Britain had produced and on his day troubles anyone. I can genuinely see him being a moral winner in the fight, his movement and hand speed will give Canello fits and he won't stand in front of him long enough for the body shots to be a lasting issue. Saunders also has a great chin. I honestly think stylistically he is all wrong for Canello whose weaknesses match Saunders strengths....but...I have been woefully wrong before... smile

biggbn

9,641 posts

184 months

Sunday 28th February
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hyphen said:
BJS's mentality though is different from most fighters Canelo has faced. He won't be fazed or have any fear.

And he is a bit nuts...

Bat$hit bonkers...

Lee Jones Jnr

967 posts

134 months

Sunday 28th February
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biggbn said:
I think he can outbox him and win a moral victory in defeat...
laugh

Lee Jones Jnr

967 posts

134 months

Sunday 28th February
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BJS either takes the fight to him and is stopped early or he tries to box and survive and gets stopped late.

fridaypassion

5,477 posts

192 months

Sunday 28th February
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I hope and expect he will get his arse kicked.

hyphen

19,570 posts

54 months

Monday 1st March
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biggbn said:
Bat$hit bonkers...
hehe

Taylor James

3,111 posts

25 months

Monday 1st March
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I'm really looking forward to seeing how Saunders does. As has been said, he won't stand in front of Canelo to be target practice. He isn't going to freeze either. I wonder if we may see some Fury like craziness to try and unsettle the Canelo camp but my concern is the same with all Canelo fights now. You would have to ko him to get the decision.

Chilly for June

186 posts

39 months

Monday 1st March
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Very interesting interview.

He has so many personas in that interview it's hard to know what he is up to.

I thought intially he was trying to play the Andy Ruiz Vs AJ card and be his biggest fan but Canelo isn't stupid and knows BJS isn't turning up to just lie down.

I just think Canelo will be too big for him and break him down unless BJS is on his bike constantly and stinks the place out. He will have to stand and trade/counter at some point but Canelo's defence is good as well. Tough night's work.

At least it's a big fight to look forward too.