Goodwood Revival 2020

Goodwood Revival 2020

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mk1coopers

333 posts

107 months

Tuesday 16th June
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Form the FAQ's on their site it looks like as a GRRC member if you renew next year and don't cancel this year you will get automatic GSA membership, so you would effectively be getting two memberships for one, I'm not a GRRC member but that looks like they have thought this through to give a benefit back for continued support

Ian Wegg

511 posts

95 months

Tuesday 16th June
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No ideas for a name said:
You can roll the tickets forward for next year (though the 2020 tickets are now cancelled - interesting if you got via eBay or a secondary site I guess) New tickets will be issued for 2021.
Ah, that's a very good point ... Goodwood has always said that tickets bought from unofficial sources are not valid but they've not previously had a way of detecting it. Some people will get burned this year. Of course, the touts themselves won't suffer, they'll just get 2021 tickets or a refund.

Trackdayguy

358 posts

26 months

Tuesday 16th June
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Just got my letter from Goodwood, were going to role our tickets forward to 2021

No ideas for a name

703 posts

41 months

Tuesday 16th June
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Ian Wegg said:
Ah, that's a very good point ... Goodwood has always said that tickets bought from unofficial sources are not valid but they've not previously had a way of detecting it. Some people will get burned this year. Of course, the touts themselves won't suffer, they'll just get 2021 tickets or a refund.
It is going to be more of a problem, and will need addressing.
For clarity, it doesn't affect me as I am not holding any tickets at present.

However, some may have obtained tickets from friends who may have done a 'group buy'.. I know my friend got me my ticket last year... I missed out due to late ordering and he had a spare, so I bought it from him. Fully 'legal'. - and in that case he would be passing me the 'new' ticket.

What happens if the guys who bought the tickets months ago and gave them as a present are no longer around? Their 'estate' might get the refund leaving the ticket holder stuck.

Not looking for problems, but maybe needs a bit of thought from Goodwood in some cases.


nordboy

47 posts

5 months

Tuesday 16th June
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I'm disappointed that the FOS isn't going ahead. It's the 4 days that me and the lad (22 yrs old) get to go away, just the two of us and talk cars etc.

I'm also a bit relieved, as I was concerned that if they put on the FOS and revival, that the events would be rather watered down from what they normally are.

I'm going to hold on to my tickets in the hope that it all doesn't go belly up and the tickets become worthless. I want to support them and go next year, as I have done for many years.

shoestring7

5,803 posts

201 months

Tuesday 16th June
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ewand said:
Whatever happens, I still want Goodwood to be there next year and beyond. .
Goodwood must be absolutely on its arse; all the cash cows cancelled for this year' MM, FoS, Glorious and Revival. In an article in the local paper, DR explained that 2/3 of their 750 staff are furloughed, all capital projects have been stopped (inc. the much needed hotel refresh) and it'll be three years before it's back to where it was in Feb 2020. I wonder how many of those furloughed staff will have jobs once the government subsidies stop in October.



ukaskew

5,866 posts

176 months

Tuesday 16th June
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It's a bit of a worry for motorsport in general if (by the tone of their email) Goodwood are going to struggle through this without the goodwill of a large percentage of members/ticket holders in allowing them to essentially have a long term loan.

I appreciate the estate will be costly to run, but there aren't many/any other motorsport venues that have a very wealthy membership to fall back on, several high profile international events with massive upsell on hospitality etc as well as their regular circuit use. My local circuit (Castle Combe) haven't asked me for a penny, my annual pass there costs about the same as the invitation I just received by email to adopt a tree at Goodwood.

As a Fellow I'm also confused by the whole GSA thing, that's another 3 tiers of membership on top of (or in addition to) what they already have in place and it's not entirely clear to me what I'd gain from it apart from some window dressing.

I love Goodwood, but they've already had my Fellowship membership this year with no benefits and they're sat on my MM ticket money (which again, is fine) and now FoS/Revival ticket money, but even that doesn't seem to be enough...?

Edited by ukaskew on Tuesday 16th June 17:25

85Carrera

2,318 posts

192 months

Tuesday 16th June
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I will roll over my tickets as I had always intended to but the GSA doesn’t seem to offer any meaningful benefits unless I fork out another £300 on top of the £1000 plus I’ve already spent on membership and tickets this year.

I’m sure Goodwood will survive very nicely without me bunging further money their way.



Edited by 85Carrera on Tuesday 16th June 17:31

heebeegeetee

26,934 posts

203 months

Tuesday 16th June
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ukaskew said:
As a Fellow I'm also confused by the whole GSA thing, that's another 3 tiers of membership on top of (or in addition to) the what they already have in place and it's not entirely clear to me what I'd gain from it apart from some window dressing.
Likewise. I'm even thinking in terms of the sticker and lapel badge being indications that "I was mugged by the Duke of Richmond". smile

No ideas for a name

703 posts

41 months

Tuesday 16th June
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85Carrera said:
I will roll over my tickets as I had always intended to but the GSA doesn’t seem to offer any meaningful benefits unless I fork out another £300 on top of the £1000 plus I’ve already spent on membership and tickets this year.

I’m sure Goodwood will survive very nicely without me bunging further money their way.
It isn't clear what benefits there are, but I think it is more of just effectively making a donation to keep things running.
I am 'happy' to forego the £240 membership fee and effectively pay that to the 'charity' GSA.
However, it doesn't look like a Member 'losing' £240 really gets any more* than a Fellow losing £39 + the £100 donation. That is another discussion.
  • Unless a brass plaque is important to you.
The 'Patron' status looks interesting - I dare not ask how much that will cost - it is going to be out of my league.

So, it appears for your one-off donation, you get to belong to the GSA regardless of whether you are a Member or a Fellow.

At least we have clarity... and 15 months to get the '61 Jag back on the road.

mk1coopers

333 posts

107 months

Tuesday 16th June
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Any operation losing most (if not all) of it's income is going to struggle to get through this, let's not forget there are people potentially loosing jobs (as there will be in many areas) with Goodwood I'm happy to let my tickets roll over, do my bit for the environment and get some trees planted, then wait until I can return and enjoy my time there with like-minded friends

85Carrera

2,318 posts

192 months

Tuesday 16th June
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I’d rather they were more honest about it rather than try to fob us off with spurious benefits.

If I was them, I’d have been open and honest about the situation, said we can’t do anything now, but offered staggered increased discounts on tickets sales over the next few years to reward loyalty.

As it is, I’m concerned that the Members Meeting, which is by far my favourite event due the lack of crowds, will be packed out and ruined next time it is on as members of all the now increased Goodwood clubs pile in.

I love the Goodwood events, although they are very expensive and, MM apart, very crowded and have supported them through GRRC membership, event attendance and extortionate food prices for many years.

I think they could do a whole lot better than the GSA sham proposal, but expect I will renew next year because it’s not a massive amount but if they ruin the MM that will be it for me.

ukaskew

5,866 posts

176 months

Tuesday 16th June
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MM has a limited capacity (25k I think), it's one of the major selling points of the event, otherwise it would really just be a Revival-lite. Opening up new membership options shouldn't change that, in fact it wasn't that long ago that tickets would eventually go on general sale because they wouldn't sell out to members.

I imagine it would be extremely tempting to up the numbers to get the cash flow going (presumably the majority have let their tickets roll over, so no real income at the rearranged event) but that's a slippery slope in terms of one of the major USPs of the event.

Edited by ukaskew on Tuesday 16th June 19:49

RichB

43,226 posts

239 months

Tuesday 16th June
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MM is limited to 20,000 tickets and I see no reason why that will change. I am not sure what additional clubs people are concerned about the GSA is an once off initiative to recognise those who help the estate continue to provide world class historic motor racing.

RichB

43,226 posts

239 months

Tuesday 16th June
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ukaskew said:
As a Fellow I'm also confused by the whole GSA thing, that's another 3 tiers of membership on top of (or in addition to) what they already have in place and it's not entirely clear to me what I'd gain from it apart from some window dressing.

I love Goodwood, but they've already had my Fellowship membership this year with no benefits and they're sat on my MM ticket money (which again, is fine) and now FoS/Revival ticket money, but even that doesn't seem to be enough...?
You won't 'get anything out' of the GSA, it's a donation. From the perspective of a GRRC member I would say the 'fellows' do very well for their forty quid. When you say they've already had your membership for this year, that's correct but to be honest what it is buying you is a place on the waiting list. If you get more out of it than that you're quids in, if not just don't pay next year.

mk1coopers

333 posts

107 months

Tuesday 16th June
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As far as I know the 78th MM is sold out, the only tickets you might get back on sale will be those that are refunded, Goodwood would have spent a lot of money on the last set up process so they will already be working on a loss for the next one.

Bobtherallyfan

352 posts

33 months

Tuesday 16th June
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RichB said:
You won't 'get anything out' of the GSA, it's a donation. From the perspective of a GRRC member I would say the 'fellows' do very well for their forty quid. When you say they've already had your membership for this year, that's correct but to be honest what it is buying you is a place on the waiting list. If you get more out of it than that you're quids in, if not just don't pay next year.
Strictly speaking it’s not a donation as that has to be given freely with nothing in return. I think you can make a real donation without any of the ‘benefits’ and presumably get tax relief if Gift Aided. As others have said, this appeal is really about cash flow and £100 quid seems a small price to pay to hopefully ensure future motoring events.

NDA

16,980 posts

180 months

Tuesday 16th June
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I hope Goodwood can survive the crisis - I feel incredibly fortunate that such a place exists. Which is why I won't be asking for any refunds and will be making a donation to help them out.

Trackdayguy

358 posts

26 months

Wednesday 17th June
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Its an offering plate folks.........

ukaskew

5,866 posts

176 months

Wednesday 17th June
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RichB said:
When you say they've already had your membership for this year, that's correct but to be honest what it is buying you is a place on the waiting list. If you get more out of it than that you're quids in, if not just don't pay next year.
I know quite a few Fellows and not a single one is using it as a way into the waiting list, just a way of buying MM tickets and earlier access to Revival/FoS tickets.

In any case, it's a worry that an organisation that has a paying waiting list for the opportunity to pay more to become a member is top of the list for getting the begging bowl out of the various organisations I support. Goodwood has been pushing the 'elite' angle harder and harder at the expense of squeezing us regular folk out (literally at FoS, as more and more space is roped off each year), apparently that doesn't translate into good profits though?