Peloton Live Spin Class

Peloton Live Spin Class

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untakenname

3,638 posts

157 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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I can understand in the winter when it's wet and cold or if you live in a flat and don't have space to store in a dirty bike but in summer its far nicer to be outside in the wind rather than overheating in a room.
Aside from that people who make the jump from running/cycling whilst stationary to doing it outside find it's a lot harder, did London to Brighton bike ride with two girls who spent a lot of time in spin classes yet just a few miles in they were knackered even though they had been doing 30km spin sessions.

lufbramatt

4,515 posts

99 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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"Spinning" isn't the same as doing proper structured training indoors though. I do quite a lot of indoor cycle training and it definitely does make you faster. Due to full time job and kids I can't get out during the week and hate riding in the dark so do a couple of 60-90 min Trainerroad sessions a week either before work or once the kids are asleep. In the summer I have been for a weekday hour spin at 5am or 8pm which is lovely but you can only do that for a month or two before the days start getting too short.

Means I can get the hard intervals out of the way watching Netflix etc. with no traffic or weather to deal with then enjoy the weekend ride for what it is when I'm outside. My first outdoor ride of the year (70 miles) resulted in a couple of Strava top 10s on local hills despite not riding outside for over a month smile

Lotobear

3,079 posts

93 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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I used to chug away on a Minoura turbo trainer in the garage over the winter - christ it was tedious beyond belief, and the sweat!.

I then turned to winter night riding courtesy of Lupine and now Hope. Yes, it takes some will power to jump on the bike when it's cold, dark and wet (and I live in Cumbria) but on a crisp moonlit night with a few mates with some craic going on it's really enjoyable and even when you get wet you never regret the decision.

The only rule I have is that I won't start a ride if it's raining - during the ride is okay but not at the start - if that's the case the dogs are walked, and then the pub!

lufbramatt

4,515 posts

99 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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I used to cycle as part of my commute for 18 months- after being knocked off once and having too many close shaves I avoid cycling on road at night at all costs. I am thinking of getting a new battery for my decent LED front light and doing some off road night rides though as something different. I can get to the north downs way with minimal road riding. Living in the south east means roads are so much busier and everyone is in a rush all the time.

I do like the convenience of indoor training though- no risk of punctures or mechanicals leaving me stranded 10 miles away when I should be getting ready for work etc. and it's so much quicker to get a session over and done with- I can be in the garage training within 15 mins of waking up. Oddly I find it useful as a weird form of meditation- at the end of a hard workout I end up completely zoned out eyes shut just pedalling to the end of the interval. seems to really help me clear my mind.

Edited by lufbramatt on Wednesday 5th February 13:40

z4RRSchris

9,795 posts

144 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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its convenience, much easier to jump on a machine in your own home if you have a spare 40 mins.

The class aspect is that there is a "class" being filmed and you can join it, but the instructor cant interact back. Much like a group session in zwift i suppose.

as you can tell im anti the tech, every part of it is better served by other platforms.

tech is basic - buy a watt bike, smart trainer, wahoo kickr etc.
classes not interactive - go to a real spin class if you want someone to motivate you
cost - crazy


GOATever

2,651 posts

32 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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lufbramatt said:
"Spinning" isn't the same as doing proper structured training indoors though. I do quite a lot of indoor cycle training and it definitely does make you faster. Due to full time job and kids I can't get out during the week and hate riding in the dark so do a couple of 60-90 min Trainerroad sessions a week either before work or once the kids are asleep. In the summer I have been for a weekday hour spin at 5am or 8pm which is lovely but you can only do that for a month or two before the days start getting too short.

Means I can get the hard intervals out of the way watching Netflix etc. with no traffic or weather to deal with then enjoy the weekend ride for what it is when I'm outside. My first outdoor ride of the year (70 miles) resulted in a couple of Strava top 10s on local hills despite not riding outside for over a month smile
“Spinning” is actually a trademarked exercise system. Structured indoor training is fine, as long as you are actually doing some ‘training’ and not just mindlessly chewing along on a computer game ( Zwift et.al.). There are a lot of subtleties to actually riding on the road, that you can’t get on an indoor trainer. Downhill braking forces ( braking forces in general ) being the most important thing that’s missing. It always cracks me up in ( about March usually ) when all the “I don’t need to ride outdoors in the winter, I’ve got Zwift yeah” brigade, turn up, and swiftly fail to be able to do downhill, or corner very well. Same goes for watching them deal with headwinds and strong crosswinds, at least to start with.


Edited by GOATever on Wednesday 5th February 15:15

lufbramatt

4,515 posts

99 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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GOATever said:
“Spinning” is actually a trademarked exercise system. Structured indoor training is fine, as long as you are actually doing some ‘training’ and not just mindlessly chewing along on a computer game ( Zwift et.al.). There are a lot of subtleties to actually riding on the road, that you can’t get on an indoor trainer. Downhill braking forces ( braking forces in general ) being the most important thing that’s missing. It always cracks me up in ( about March usually ) when all the “I don’t need to ride outdoors in the winter, I’ve got Zwift yeah” brigade, turn up, and swiftly fail to be able to do downhill, or corner very well. Same goes for watching them deal with headwinds and strong crosswinds, at least to start with.


Edited by GOATever on Wednesday 5th February 15:15
Exactly, structured vs unstructured wink similarly, riding around aimlessly outside won't give you much training benefit either.

I'll be heading out down to the coast from home this weekend, should get my fair share of crosswind in the process smile

Gareth79

5,594 posts

211 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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Lotobear said:
I'm perhaps due a flock of parrots for this contribution but I struggle with the 'class' bit about this 'spinning' lark which seems to imply a sense of being taught something.

Would it not just be better just to buy a nice bike for around £1,500 and get out with a group of friends 2-3 times a week and do some actual cycling, then go to the pub afterwards?
As the adverts are pushing, it's because a Peloton session is far far more convenient (and takes 100% less organisation), and the fitness benefit per hour spent is going to be much greater on Peloton. This is assuming somebody is following a proper training setup on Peleton and not literally "spinning" their legs with little effort.

anonymous-user

19 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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The quarterly earnings are out later today....

Here they are

https://investor.onepeloton.com/static-files/ca5b1...

Opening summary

We are pleased to report strong financial results for the second quarter. Ending Connected Fitness Subscribers grew 96% year over year to 712,005, and total revenue grew 77% year over year to $466 million driven by a robust holiday sales period, increased conversion from Home Trial launched in September, and continued low churn of our Connected Fitness Subscribers. Sales flow-through, steady gross margin and operating expense leverage resulted in a Net Loss of $(55.4) million and Adjusted EBITDA of ($28.4) million, or (6.1%) Adjusted EBITDA margin.



Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 5th February 22:06

Seventyseven7

179 posts

34 months

Wednesday 5th February 2020
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Used a peloton at work this week and really liked it.

I know of Zwift and how people say it’s much cheaper, so....


Can someone link me to a complete setup for Zwift that would be equivalent to the peloton bike. ‘
So bike, turbo trainer, and whatever else is needed? A link to the actual bike would be great have read people say ‘any bike will do’ but surely a crap road bike won’t be the same as being on the Peleton?

frisbee

3,431 posts

75 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Seventyseven7 said:
Used a peloton at work this week and really liked it.

I know of Zwift and how people say it’s much cheaper, so....


Can someone link me to a complete setup for Zwift that would be equivalent to the peloton bike. ‘
So bike, turbo trainer, and whatever else is needed? A link to the actual bike would be great have read people say ‘any bike will do’ but surely a crap road bike won’t be the same as being on the Peleton?
There are quite a few all in one trainers available or being released soon, for example:

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/12/wahoo-kickr-bi...

people say “too expensive...” but I’ve got £3k’s worth of bike sat on a £1k’s worth of trainer.

VEIGHT

2,321 posts

193 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Seventyseven7 said:
Used a peloton at work this week and really liked it.

I know of Zwift and how people say it’s much cheaper, so....


Can someone link me to a complete setup for Zwift that would be equivalent to the peloton bike. ‘
So bike, turbo trainer, and whatever else is needed? A link to the actual bike would be great have read people say ‘any bike will do’ but surely a crap road bike won’t be the same as being on the Peleton?
You could buy a second hand Peloton... I think there is a FB group buy and sell, you might get one for about £1500 if you're lucky.

I tried a turbo trainer with my rode bike and it was too much messing about especially as I wanted to switch between riding on the road and training. Buy the time i thought about taking the wheel off and setting it up i'd end up going for a run instead!

z4RRSchris

9,795 posts

144 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Seventyseven7 said:
Used a peloton at work this week and really liked it.

I know of Zwift and how people say it’s much cheaper, so....


Can someone link me to a complete setup for Zwift that would be equivalent to the peloton bike. ‘
So bike, turbo trainer, and whatever else is needed? A link to the actual bike would be great have read people say ‘any bike will do’ but surely a crap road bike won’t be the same as being on the Peleton?
the closest setup to a peloton in terms of looks and ease of use is a watt bike atom and an ipad / computer / tv screen and apple TV.

The wattbike is a far superior bit of kit in terms of tech (if you wanted to buy a peloton bike tech it would cost you about £200). I would be buying that and a 40 inch TV if i wanted a good zwift setup that looked ok in a house.

wattbike atom - £1599
tv - £200
apple TV - £149

https://wattbike.com/gb/product/atom?gclid=CjwKCAi...


The other option is to buy an actual bike and a smart trainer + apple tv / tv

Wahoo Kickr Core - £699
https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Wahoo/KICKR-CORE-...

An actual bike £1000 (take your pick but the below is decent)
https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road-bikes/endurance-...



z4RRSchris

9,795 posts

144 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Seventyseven7 said:
A link to the actual bike would be great have read people say ‘any bike will do’ but surely a crap road bike won’t be the same as being on the Peleton?
Here is where you are wrong, A peloton bike is such an old pile of st in terms of tech, a st road bike would be much better.

in terms of tech, this is a peloton bike:£239. Manual resistance, st adjustment, no erg, no smart,

https://www.powerhouse-fitness.co.uk/bodymax-b2-in...


Captain Raymond Holt

11,200 posts

159 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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I don’t know why, but it REALLY irks me that you have to twist a knob to change the resistance.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

26,935 posts

177 months

Thursday 6th February 2020
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Captain Raymond Holt said:
I don’t know why, but it REALLY irks me that you have to twist a knob to change the resistance.
In a day where we have power meters, fitness tests and ERG mode.....it'd irk me too, to spend the same as a Wahoo Kickr Bike and get that level of simplicity.

BMWBen

4,899 posts

166 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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lufbramatt said:
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Means I can get the hard intervals out of the way watching Netflix etc...
I've never understood this myself - when I'm doing structured training it requires my full focus to complete the efforts. There's absolutely no way I want to or even could watch a TV show at the same time... Can you really get through something like a 5 x 5min interval session or a 2 x 20 and tell me what the story was about?

jesusbuiltmycar

4,072 posts

219 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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BMWBen said:
lufbramatt said:
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Means I can get the hard intervals out of the way watching Netflix etc...
I've never understood this myself - when I'm doing structured training it requires my full focus to complete the efforts. There's absolutely no way I want to or even could watch a TV show at the same time... Can you really get through something like a 5 x 5min interval session or a 2 x 20 and tell me what the story was about?
Glad I am not the only one - even on a casual Zwift ride I cannot pay attention to TV/Netflix - doing a hard interval requires 100% focus on maintain effort, if I am not focussed then I know there is no way I will put in the proper amount of effor required.

I did the long Tour du Zwift stage 7 group ride last night, when i got off the bike I pretty much threw up...

JEA1K

1,997 posts

188 months

Friday 7th February 2020
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Same with me, I just generally have VLOGS Youtube from GCN, Harry's Garage, trainerroad etc whilst I'm on Wattbike ... can't really tell you whats going on as I'm usually wondering why the last 30 second effort felt like it last 30 mins smile

Usget

5,360 posts

176 months

Sunday 9th February 2020
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Seventyseven7 said:
Can someone link me to a complete setup for Zwift that would be equivalent to the peloton bike. ‘
So bike, turbo trainer, and whatever else is needed? A link to the actual bike would be great have read people say ‘any bike will do’ but surely a crap road bike won’t be the same as being on the Peleton?
"Any" bike won't do, but secondhand bikes aren't necessarily crap, just a bit older.

I have a 2013 CAAD8 as my turbo trainer bike and it cost me £180. If I wanted to sell it tomorrow I could probably get £180 for it. Static bikes are a lot harder to shift...