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Furyous

19,283 posts

182 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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Boosted LS1 said:
Furyous said:
That is criminally sad, but as already said, motorsport is dangerous.
I ve often watched the crowds stood around a fueller during its pit warm up, and thought to myself, "Have any of you ever seen a blower or rod let go in a fuel motor ?"
These people are standing not more than 10 feet away from a 7000hp NITRO bomb.


I don't think it was the engine that let go although I thought I saw a flash and extra smoke. Aren't the blowers strapped down under a kevlar bracket or something to contain a big burst? Wasn't it something to do with the chutes and a boilt or similar letting go at 300 odd mph or nearabouts? I could see debris on the track. I'm not sure about the criminasl angle either, motorsport is dangerous and accidents happen. Wonder if there's public liability cover or not, anybody know. Maybe they can't get that.

I feel quite sorry for the driver and team as well as the family of the bloke who died.
Boosted.


Sorry, didnt make my point very clear there.What I meant was more that people are knowingly placing themselves in a postion of danger in the pits, and yet the poor bloke who was probably 50 feet away, took the big one.

Yes blowers are strapped down with ballistic blankets, but can you picture the scene of a pit warm up, the guys have warmed it thru, then blip the throttle a few times...imagine the carnage if it fireballed there and then......

And as has already been said, its probably very wise not to speculate on the matter in any shape or form.

Finally, I have posted in the website feedback section asking Ted if we can have a Drag Race forum, all those in favour, please post on there.

Cheers
F

hornet

6,333 posts

211 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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Probably better to just have a dedicated thread in General Motorsport isn't it? Can't see a whole forum would get used that much.

p15ton

409 posts

197 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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Finally, I have posted in the website feedback section asking Ted if we can have a Drag Race forum, all those in favour, please post on there.

Cheers
F[/quote]

Let's hope that some of the idiots that got Dragsterworld Forum closed down down find this one, then......!

JWB

332 posts

199 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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Post removed at request of Euro Dragster website.





Edited by Gazboy on Wednesday 13th September 08:54

jon c

3,214 posts

208 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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Furyous said:

Yes blowers are strapped down with ballistic blankets, but can you picture the scene of a pit warm up, the guys have warmed it thru, then blip the throttle a few times...imagine the carnage if it fireballed there and then......



Cheers
F


A fuel motor is under very minimal load during warmups in the pits, and so any kind of fireball would be very very unlikely in those circumstances. Even if a fuel line came off, due to the stoichemetric value of Nitro, a fire would be unlikely. I have seen a demonstration where a lighted match was thrown into a pool of nitro on the floor, the match went out!



Edited by jon c on Tuesday 12th September 20:12

deltafox

3,839 posts

193 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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JWB said:
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Unusual for a bellhousing to allow any scatter as theyre usually "explosion" proof titanium. Having said that even they will give way when confronted with some of the forces found in a drag racing monster.
Looks like an unfortunate set of circumstances conspiring.

Edited by Gazboy on Wednesday 13th September 08:55

Furyous

19,283 posts

182 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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jon c said:
Furyous said:

Yes blowers are strapped down with ballistic blankets, but can you picture the scene of a pit warm up, the guys have warmed it thru, then blip the throttle a few times...imagine the carnage if it fireballed there and then.....
F


A fuel motor is under very minimal load during warmups in the pits, and so any kind of fireball would be very very unlikely in those circumstances. Even if a fuel line came off, due to the stoichemetric value of Nitro, a fire would be unlikely. I have seen a demonstration where a lighted match was thrown into a pool of nitro on the floor, the match went out!


I know that, I was just trying to demonstrate the point that it doesnt really matter how far away you are safety wise, shit just happens.

As for titanium clutch cannons, this one looked pretty beat after this happened :
www.eurodragster.com/santapod/live/2006fiaeuropeanfinals/pictures/saturday/pic14.htm

This is Smax's clutch letting go at the top end on Saturday.I watched them strip it down afterwards, and it was mostly very small pieces that came put, not the normal 12 inch diameter clutch plates.......

maxc

197 posts

190 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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It really was a freak accident and we shouldn't lose sight of this. Unfortunately it is being sensationalised in certain quarters. Remember that there are many more deaths in horse racing, eventing, etc.
Sadly we are already under close scrutiny from the health and safety people, though so far it has mostly been common sense. As an example, we are not allowed petrol generators in the pits from next year, plus we have been warned to keep flames, especially barbeques well away from fuel. We could do with a crack down on the number of pit bikes - they can be a real pain, especially with kids blasting around on them. We very nearly ran over one when he went for the gap behind my truck, only to see the tow rope at the last moment.

It was a frustrating weekend for my team as the MSD ignition went down. It turns out they use a clocked Motorola chip with a "limp home" mode that I got to know well.... So now its on to sequential injected methanol with a new ECU, hopefully in time for the Flame and Thunder show.

slinky

15,704 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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Furyous said:


I know that, I was just trying to demonstrate the point that it doesnt really matter how far away you are safety wise, shit just happens.

As for titanium clutch cannons, this one looked pretty beat after this happened :
www.eurodragster.com/santapod/live/2006fiaeuropeanfinals/pictures/saturday/pic14.htm

This is Smax's clutch letting go at the top end on Saturday.I watched them strip it down afterwards, and it was mostly very small pieces that came put, not the normal 12 inch diameter clutch plates.......


Did you see what the catch can looked like as well??? Looked like someone had hooked it up to an airline!

Boosted LS1

19,551 posts

221 months

Wednesday 13th September 2006
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JWB said:
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That may indeed be the case but when it happened I thought I saw a flash/explosion from the car in the bankside lane. This was the lane under close scrutiny. Guess we'll know soon enough.

Boosted.

Edited by Gazboy on Wednesday 13th September 08:56

jon c

3,214 posts

208 months

Wednesday 13th September 2006
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The whole incident is subject to police enquiries and all this speculation is not helping. An official statement will be made in due course, and untill then I think this thread should stop making any theories public which could prejudice the enquiry, or individuals who may, or may not, have been involved.

Jon

MotorPsycho

1,126 posts

172 months

Wednesday 13th September 2006
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jon c said:
The whole incident is subject to police enquiries and all this speculation is not helping. An official statement will be made in due course, and untill then I think this thread should stop making any theories public which could prejudice the enquiry, or individuals who may, or may not, have been involved.

Jon


completely agree with Jon, there is no offical word, speculation and the press sensationalising the news won't help anyone at all. Just let the investigators get on with their jobs, find the cause and then we'll see

Beemer-5

7,897 posts

175 months

Wednesday 13th September 2006
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The local (Norwich) EDP newspaper have an article online about this.

MotorPsycho

1,126 posts

172 months

Wednesday 13th September 2006
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"Officers are not treating the incident as suspicious"

from the EDP, good news I think, as has been said it was a freak accident

Edited by MotorPsycho on Wednesday 13th September 15:32

dragnut

40 posts

172 months

Wednesday 13th September 2006
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i was there on the to end of the bank. Was a great days racing, apart from the incident which happend near the end of the day. quite scary considering i was only 20 feet away from it. Just extremly bad luck.

condolences to the family

Collin_morrice

13 posts

172 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Deleted By Gaz

Edited by Gazboy on Tuesday 19th September 23:55

slinky

15,704 posts

210 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Until we have official confirmation, can we refrain from statements of this nature.

slinky

Time Machine

487 posts

209 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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slinky said:
Until we have official confirmation, can we refrain from statements of this nature.

slinky


agreed. Speculation won't help anyone and the official report will be published in due course. I hear the Sun had some particularly wide of the mark reports about the incident.

Barry B

505 posts

172 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Forum admin/Moderators, please lock this thread up.

Flying toilet

3,621 posts

172 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Agreed with Barry, this is doing our sport no good and people talking it up are only harming the sport i love.

Close this thread and even delete it.
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