Track/road car under 3k to buy...

Track/road car under 3k to buy...

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cedrichn

812 posts

52 months

Thursday 24th March 2022
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Something different than the MX5 will then be a BMW 6 cylinder.

Have you decided on FWD vs RWD ? Have you tried a FWD on track ?

Cambs_Stuart

2,879 posts

85 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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There yave been a few cheap 172/182 up.for sale on the cliosport FB pages. No idea what they are like up close...

JP__FOX

593 posts

236 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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brillomaster said:
For 5k id have an early z4 3.0, with £400 track tyres and £400 track brakes.

For 3k id have a ropey e46 330ci, again with the same track tyres and brakes.

230bhp, rwd and a naturally aspirated straight six is a great combo for a track car.
Having done that with a Z4, I'm now in an MX5 NC and wouldn't go back, the MX5 is much more fun on track. The Z4/330 are more powerful but the additional weight means they're not much quicker on the straights and not as good round corners and come with much higher consumable costs. I don't fancy taking the MX5 to a fast circuit like Spa but around a tight circuit like Cadwell, it's great fun! I'd vote for the NC or a Clio 182/197.



Hol

8,419 posts

201 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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I have an R26 as a train station car and backup track car, but their prices have gone up lately.

My pick would be a 225 Megane, which shares a number of the key parts and has an identical engine to the R26.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-56-Renault-Renault...

Big Brembos and 225/40/18 tyres as standard which are one of the cheapest sizes. Renault are currently selling off their spares cheap at the moment so brand new cup shocks can be had for £260 the set and as time goes up you can add the missing items like the LSD box which being a factory part are readily available, and once stripped out, these cars are very good.

Most track days you will see a Megane, for good reason.


braddo

10,510 posts

189 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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JP__FOX said:
Having done that with a Z4, I'm now in an MX5 NC and wouldn't go back, the MX5 is much more fun on track. The Z4/330 are more powerful but the additional weight means they're not much quicker on the straights and not as good round corners and come with much higher consumable costs. I don't fancy taking the MX5 to a fast circuit like Spa but around a tight circuit like Cadwell, it's great fun! I'd vote for the NC or a Clio 182/197.

Nice. What have you done to the MX5?

Agreed on the BMWs - a 'ropey 330i' is going to need quite a bit of time/cost to make it actual fun and to handle and stop properly (to even just keep up with MX5s over the course of a day!)

JP__FOX

593 posts

236 months

Friday 25th March 2022
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braddo said:
Nice. What have you done to the MX5?

Agreed on the BMWs - a 'ropey 330i' is going to need quite a bit of time/cost to make it actual fun and to handle and stop properly (to even just keep up with MX5s over the course of a day!)
The MX5 is standard power, just a backbox for a bit of noise and running MeisterR coilovers along with ARB's and front brakes from an RX8. It's the 6 speed but I've put the 5 speed LSD in for a shorter ratio to help with acceleration and a roll bar to protect my head just in case. It's hilarious fun and I enjoy the look on peoples faces when telling them it's not turbocharged biggrin

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Sunday 27th March 2022
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Having had a couple of E46 330s, I couldn't think of a car less well-suited to trackdays. They are heavy, overdamped and understeery as hell.

Lovely cruiser and very practical, but without basically turning it into a race car you'd have much more fun in loads of other things.

Bright Halo

2,973 posts

236 months

Sunday 27th March 2022
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The great thing with MX5’s is that tuning parts and consumables are relatively cheap. You can also upgrade with lots of availability of tuning parts inc turbo conversions.

I didn’t listen to my own advice though and bought a 986 Boxster S.

TheConverted

2,227 posts

155 months

Sunday 27th March 2022
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Off that top of my head. With abit of hunting some of these.
Early Megane 225 cup
Leggy Clio sport?
Alfa 2.0 or 1.8 GT / 147 / 156
Civic type S
A very very leggy ropey civic type r. Both fn2 and ep3 might be a stretch tho
Focus St170


Kellerman

174 posts

26 months

Monday 28th March 2022
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Problem with MX5's is whilst they are fun, 95% of them are unbelievably slow. They act as mobile chicanes on track days, far more than any other car in my experience.

phazed

21,844 posts

205 months

Monday 28th March 2022
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Any of the VAG 1.8T engine cars. If you like front wheel drive there is a lot of choice of reasonably priced machinery out there, loads of cheap Tuning parts and they are not slow. They can be made to handle very well with a few tweaks and especially if you’re going to spend a little extra on an LSD as I have.n

My Skoda throws out 2453HP and as far as speed is concerned will just about squeeze 130 down the back straight at Bedford.

You have a choice of Golf GTI, Octávia vRS, Seat Cupra and Audi TT.

cedrichn

812 posts

52 months

Monday 28th March 2022
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Kellerman said:
Problem with MX5's is whilst they are fun, 95% of them are unbelievably slow. They act as mobile chicanes on track days, far more than any other car in my experience.
And so many cars overtakes MX5s on the straights, before becoming a chicane as soon as the track turns... MX5 are made for turns, not straights

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Monday 28th March 2022
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Kellerman said:
Problem with MX5's is whilst they are fun, 95% of them are unbelievably slow. They act as mobile chicanes on track days, far more than any other car in my experience.
The good news there is that the majority of tracks in the UK are more turns than straights. I don't think an MX5 would be great at Spa, but I struggled to lose one that was almost 100bhp down on me when I was at Cadwell. The commitment he could take the corners with more than made up for me squirting away down the straights.

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Monday 28th March 2022
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phazed said:
Any of the VAG 1.8T engine cars. If you like front wheel drive there is a lot of choice of reasonably priced machinery out there, loads of cheap Tuning parts and they are not slow. They can be made to handle very well with a few tweaks and especially if you’re going to spend a little extra on an LSD as I have.n

My Skoda throws out 2453HP and as far as speed is concerned will just about squeeze 130 down the back straight at Bedford.

You have a choice of Golf GTI, Octávia vRS, Seat Cupra and Audi TT.
Your issue with a tuned, turbo FWD car is that progress/fun is sorely limited without an LSD. You end up spending most of your day waiting to get on the power out of the bends. That's a grand down the pan, so not really compatible with a 'budget' car.

phazed

21,844 posts

205 months

Monday 28th March 2022
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Your point is valid. I was lucky enough to pick up a Wavetrac LSD for £500 fitted in a gearbox.

They are around. A friend found it on Facebook as there is a big 1.8 T Tuning community on there. Since then he has come up with another one.

Cambs_Stuart

2,879 posts

85 months

Tuesday 29th March 2022
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I am biased, which is why I keep bringing them up, but cheap and good spec/condition clios keep coming up on the cliosport.net Facebook page.

Chunkychucky

5,967 posts

170 months

Wednesday 30th March 2022
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C70R said:
Having had a couple of E46 330s, I couldn't think of a car less well-suited to trackdays.
Chrysler PT Cruiser? (probably anything with a Chrysler badge tbf)

C70R said:
They are heavy, overdamped and understeery as hell.
Right, because no one would ever strip a full interior/fit coilovers and anti rollbars to a track car... Jesus Christ - the fact you didn't bemoan the brakes, something you could have fairly criticised, sort of says more about your "trackdays" than words ever could.

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Wednesday 30th March 2022
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Chunkychucky said:
C70R said:
Having had a couple of E46 330s, I couldn't think of a car less well-suited to trackdays.
Chrysler PT Cruiser? (probably anything with a Chrysler badge tbf)

C70R said:
They are heavy, overdamped and understeery as hell.
Right, because no one would ever strip a full interior/fit coilovers and anti rollbars to a track car... Jesus Christ - the fact you didn't bemoan the brakes, something you could have fairly criticised, sort of says more about your "trackdays" than words ever could.
Read the OP.

He's got a three grand budget.

Then get back in your box.

Why do people get so defensive about their cars?

phazed

21,844 posts

205 months

Wednesday 30th March 2022
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Human nature I guess! wink

CABC

5,589 posts

102 months

Wednesday 30th March 2022
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there really is only one answer unless you'd be happy with a very high maintenance and upgrade budget.

the mx5 is great out the box and teaches real car control. then you can upgrade for reasonable cost later. at least after upgrades you'll have a 200hp balanced track weapon, if you wanted.

there's a troll above saying mx5s are mobile chicanes. clearly not a track day regular. it's normally heavy German stuff rolling through the corners holding people up. most 5's are driven pretty well and pull to right along the straights to let the squirt heroes by.