Trials of Finding New Job
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bad company said:
A friend of mine was flown to the USA for a 3rd interview. They bought her flights and paid for the hotel and food etc. That was 2 years ago and she’s still waiting to hear back from them.
I've put that in the "maybe" column. Seriously though, that isn't acceptable at all. Although I read recently a guy (American I think, so a theme building) went for a interview process over 3 days. The company wrote to him offering the job. Trouble was it was over a year later, he now had another job and obviously didn't want to work for them!ToothbrushMan said:
Lots of valid stuff about the jobcentre etc.
Regarding the JSA advisors I've been through the same thing.You get to know one, maybe two but the longer you sign on the greater the chances they won't be available due to holidays, training, sickness etc.
The new person has no idea who you are or whether you are genuine so they start at the beginning and ask you loads of stuff that you feel isn't relevant.
I think the problem is, that similar to me, you aren't there usual "customer". From your other posts you've given details about your previous experience etc. and the help they can provide you specifically is limited and not designed for you. Just look around at some of the other people there, some are genuine or down on their luck, some need hand holding every step of the way and some others don't want to work and are just going through the motions.
Difficult as it may be you just need to go in, be polite, be prepared etc. You are applying for jobs, getting interviews etc. If they offer you any help such as careers service I'd take it, it doesn't hurt and it shows them you are genuine.
Good luck though, I know from my own experience its tough. Be strong!
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In other news, I start at Royal Mail next week. I will be working in a temporary sorting centre, temporary for 5 weeks on late shifts till 10pm.
I've also been volunteering at my local charity shop for the last couple of weeks. Only one morning a week but I've really enjoyed it. Gets me out and about, meeting people, doing something constructive and helping others.
Toothbrush Man - I know for a fact that we are employing staff for roles at Birmingham Airport. Do you know of any reasons why you would be denied an Airport ID pass - you'll need 5 years checkable work history - but having been signed on is also fine if you have proof - and no outstanding convictions?
Its a driving and customer service role so could be suitable if you've been looking for "van driving roles"
Its a driving and customer service role so could be suitable if you've been looking for "van driving roles"
Shakermaker said:
Toothbrush Man - I know for a fact that we are employing staff for roles at Birmingham Airport. Do you know of any reasons why you would be denied an Airport ID pass - you'll need 5 years checkable work history - but having been signed on is also fine if you have proof - and no outstanding convictions?
Its a driving and customer service role so could be suitable if you've been looking for "van driving roles"
hey thats sounds like an option. can you give me a pointer (in the meantime I will get straight online and have a look at the airport website for the jobs).Its a driving and customer service role so could be suitable if you've been looking for "van driving roles"
yes very hard to stay strong especially into month 8- i was very cock sure at the beginning thinking I could get a job fast then plunge most of my redundancy money onto pay down the mortgage - thus rendering the redundancy a blessing disguise but its just not worked out like that.
ToothbrushMan said:
hey thats sounds like an option. can you give me a pointer (in the meantime I will get straight online and have a look at the airport website for the jobs).
yes very hard to stay strong especially into month 8- i was very cock sure at the beginning thinking I could get a job fast then plunge most of my redundancy money onto pay down the mortgage - thus rendering the redundancy a blessing disguise but its just not worked out like that.
Have sent you a PMyes very hard to stay strong especially into month 8- i was very cock sure at the beginning thinking I could get a job fast then plunge most of my redundancy money onto pay down the mortgage - thus rendering the redundancy a blessing disguise but its just not worked out like that.
ToothbrushMan said:
yes very hard to stay strong especially into month 8- i was very cock sure at the beginning thinking I could get a job fast then plunge most of my redundancy money onto pay down the mortgage - thus rendering the redundancy a blessing disguise but its just not worked out like that.
It always seems like that at first, I think it's seeing all the job ads and thinking there's loads of work out there, unfortunately because most job ads are fake, you end up feeling like there's something wrong with you (or your CV), the CV writing service vultures descend, the training course vultures descend, you pay out much needed cash to try to improve your chances, nothing improves, you get angry because you realise that agencies are using you and everyone else is just trying to take away what cash you have left. I hate it, I hate the unscrupulous industry that's grown up around it and I hate the people in it who are happy to prey on other peoples misfortune.Shakermaker said:
Toothbrush Man - I know for a fact that we are employing staff for roles at Birmingham Airport. Do you know of any reasons why you would be denied an Airport ID pass - you'll need 5 years checkable work history - but having been signed on is also fine if you have proof - and no outstanding convictions?
Its a driving and customer service role so could be suitable if you've been looking for "van driving roles"
cheers mate I have applied for a vehicle maintenance role. no official experience of quals but who knows. couldnt find any of the more general unskilled jobs at the airport on that swissport website......Its a driving and customer service role so could be suitable if you've been looking for "van driving roles"
lyonspride said:
ToothbrushMan said:
yes very hard to stay strong especially into month 8- i was very cock sure at the beginning thinking I could get a job fast then plunge most of my redundancy money onto pay down the mortgage - thus rendering the redundancy a blessing disguise but its just not worked out like that.
It always seems like that at first, I think it's seeing all the job ads and thinking there's loads of work out there, unfortunately because most job ads are fake, you end up feeling like there's something wrong with you (or your CV), the CV writing service vultures descend, the training course vultures descend, you pay out much needed cash to try to improve your chances, nothing improves, you get angry because you realise that agencies are using you and everyone else is just trying to take away what cash you have left. I hate it, I hate the unscrupulous industry that's grown up around it and I hate the people in it who are happy to prey on other peoples misfortune.I have been mulling over the idea that I could do a better job than some of the agencies and I wouldnt advertise fake jobs either. some agencies charge thousands in fees whereas I would be happy at a set fee considerably less with less expenses to cover than the big boys.
I dont believe recruitment is regulated either or at least you dont need to be qualified to set yourself up. might explain why there are so many but I would want to distance myself from many of the jokers out there...........
lyonspride said:
It always seems like that at first, I think it's seeing all the job ads and thinking there's loads of work out there, unfortunately because most job ads are fake, you end up feeling like there's something wrong with you (or your CV), the CV writing service vultures descend, the training course vultures descend, you pay out much needed cash to try to improve your chances, nothing improves, you get angry because you realise that agencies are using you and everyone else is just trying to take away what cash you have left. I hate it, I hate the unscrupulous industry that's grown up around it and I hate the people in it who are happy to prey on other peoples misfortune.
No, most job ads aren’t fake, it’s actually illegal for an agency to advertise a fake job. I’m not saying it never happens but quite rare.You need to be positive not bitter & twisted.
How is everyone getting on?
Unfortunately, I'm back on the lookout after the factory job turned out to be a nightmare. I gave it a good go, but had to give it up in the end. After being there for only two weeks, I was left on my own to run the factory's labelling department. The job was a two person role and despite the fact that I had received inadequate training, I was left to run it with no support whatsoever. It was an absolute nightmare. I don't like people shouting at me and I will not tolerate it. The role also breached health and safety regs as I was left alone in the factory after hours too.
I tried to stick at it (even going into work when vomiting because of a lack of cover), but earlier this week had had enough. When I called up to resign (which you can do in the first month without any notice), I was met with a stinking attitude. HR then called me later that day and blamed me leaving on me having some personal issues, which I don't have. Really, really bizarre. Anyhow, I think I owe them a bit of money as they have paid me for the month and I left a few days ago. However, I'll pay it back and rid myself of anything to do with them.
So, back on the lookout. I've just re applied to JSA and have had an appointment come through already. Have started looking at jobs too. Really didn't want to be back looking again. However, sometimes I guess these things happen. I doubt I'll be adding the factory job to my CV. Don't really see the point as I was only there for 3 weeks.
Hope everyone else is getting on ok.
Unfortunately, I'm back on the lookout after the factory job turned out to be a nightmare. I gave it a good go, but had to give it up in the end. After being there for only two weeks, I was left on my own to run the factory's labelling department. The job was a two person role and despite the fact that I had received inadequate training, I was left to run it with no support whatsoever. It was an absolute nightmare. I don't like people shouting at me and I will not tolerate it. The role also breached health and safety regs as I was left alone in the factory after hours too.
I tried to stick at it (even going into work when vomiting because of a lack of cover), but earlier this week had had enough. When I called up to resign (which you can do in the first month without any notice), I was met with a stinking attitude. HR then called me later that day and blamed me leaving on me having some personal issues, which I don't have. Really, really bizarre. Anyhow, I think I owe them a bit of money as they have paid me for the month and I left a few days ago. However, I'll pay it back and rid myself of anything to do with them.
So, back on the lookout. I've just re applied to JSA and have had an appointment come through already. Have started looking at jobs too. Really didn't want to be back looking again. However, sometimes I guess these things happen. I doubt I'll be adding the factory job to my CV. Don't really see the point as I was only there for 3 weeks.
Hope everyone else is getting on ok.
bad company said:
lyonspride said:
It always seems like that at first, I think it's seeing all the job ads and thinking there's loads of work out there, unfortunately because most job ads are fake, you end up feeling like there's something wrong with you (or your CV), the CV writing service vultures descend, the training course vultures descend, you pay out much needed cash to try to improve your chances, nothing improves, you get angry because you realise that agencies are using you and everyone else is just trying to take away what cash you have left. I hate it, I hate the unscrupulous industry that's grown up around it and I hate the people in it who are happy to prey on other peoples misfortune.
No, most job ads aren’t fake, it’s actually illegal for an agency to advertise a fake job. I’m not saying it never happens but quite rare.You need to be positive not bitter & twisted.
Jobsites aren't going tackle it, they're paid for the ads, the govt isn't going to tackle it because it makes the statistics look good (and justifies uncontrolled immigration).
There's also no way to actually Police it.
70-80% of advertised jobs DO NOT exist, and a large number are poached ads from other agencies, where the agency is hoping to get someone calling them, so they can ask the "have you been put forward for a job like this by another agency?", basically fishing to find out who the employer is, they do the "oh, did you meet Fred Smith (making up a name), the HR manager", in the hope you'll correct them with the real managers name.
Then there's the short term contract stuff, where they tempt you with £100 an hour wages, and say "we're going to put your CV forward for this, but we need your references in advance" funnily enough once they have you old bosses details you never hear from them again, because all they really wanted was contacts to sell their services to.
I've applied to ads where I was able to work out who the employer was after an agent had phone me (I then heard nothing after waiting 6 weeks), so I phoned the employer directly and was told the ad was indeed for a position there, but that position was filled 7 years ago and that they never use agencies, they apologised and wanted to know who the agency was so they could "have words".
Agencies are tricky, lying c*nts, the lot (ok, vast majority) of them.............
Edited by lyonspride on Friday 30th November 15:12
lyonspride said:
Under what law is it illegal?
Jobsites aren't going tackle it, they're paid for the ads, the govt isn't going to tackle it because it makes the statistics look good.
There's also no way to actually Police it.
70-80% of advertised jobs DO NOT exist, and a large number are poached ads from other agencies, where the agency is hoping to get someone calling them, so they can ask the "have you been put forward for a job like this by another agency?", basically fishing to find out who the employer is, they do the "oh, did you meet Fred Smith (making up a name), the HR manager", in the hope you'll correct them with the real managers name.
Then there's the short term contract stuff, where they tempt you with £100 an hour wages, and say "we're going to put your CV forward for this, but we need your references in advance" funnily enough once they have you old bosses details you never hear from them again, because all they really wanted was contacts to sell their services to.
I've applied to ads where I was able to work out who the employer was after an agent had phone me (I then heard nothing after waiting 6 weeks), so I phoned the employer directly and was told the ad was indeed for a position there, but that position was filled 7 years ago and that they never use agencies, they apologised and wanted to know who the agency was so they could "have words".
Agencies are tricky, lying c*nts, the lot (ok, vast majority) of them.............
I can see why nobody wants to employ you. With that attitude I certainly wouldn’t.Jobsites aren't going tackle it, they're paid for the ads, the govt isn't going to tackle it because it makes the statistics look good.
There's also no way to actually Police it.
70-80% of advertised jobs DO NOT exist, and a large number are poached ads from other agencies, where the agency is hoping to get someone calling them, so they can ask the "have you been put forward for a job like this by another agency?", basically fishing to find out who the employer is, they do the "oh, did you meet Fred Smith (making up a name), the HR manager", in the hope you'll correct them with the real managers name.
Then there's the short term contract stuff, where they tempt you with £100 an hour wages, and say "we're going to put your CV forward for this, but we need your references in advance" funnily enough once they have you old bosses details you never hear from them again, because all they really wanted was contacts to sell their services to.
I've applied to ads where I was able to work out who the employer was after an agent had phone me (I then heard nothing after waiting 6 weeks), so I phoned the employer directly and was told the ad was indeed for a position there, but that position was filled 7 years ago and that they never use agencies, they apologised and wanted to know who the agency was so they could "have words".
Agencies are tricky, lying c*nts, the lot (ok, vast majority) of them.............
lyonspride said:
Under what law is it illegal?
Jobsites aren't going tackle it, they're paid for the ads, the govt isn't going to tackle it because it makes the statistics look good (and justifies uncontrolled immigration).
There's also no way to actually Police it.
70-80% of advertised jobs DO NOT exist, and a large number are poached ads from other agencies, where the agency is hoping to get someone calling them, so they can ask the "have you been put forward for a job like this by another agency?", basically fishing to find out who the employer is, they do the "oh, did you meet Fred Smith (making up a name), the HR manager", in the hope you'll correct them with the real managers name.
Then there's the short term contract stuff, where they tempt you with £100 an hour wages, and say "we're going to put your CV forward for this, but we need your references in advance" funnily enough once they have you old bosses details you never hear from them again, because all they really wanted was contacts to sell their services to.
I've applied to ads where I was able to work out who the employer was after an agent had phone me (I then heard nothing after waiting 6 weeks), so I phoned the employer directly and was told the ad was indeed for a position there, but that position was filled 7 years ago and that they never use agencies, they apologised and wanted to know who the agency was so they could "have words".
Agencies are tricky, lying c*nts, the lot (ok, vast majority) of them.............
If you don’t like agencies then stop using them and just get a job without.Jobsites aren't going tackle it, they're paid for the ads, the govt isn't going to tackle it because it makes the statistics look good (and justifies uncontrolled immigration).
There's also no way to actually Police it.
70-80% of advertised jobs DO NOT exist, and a large number are poached ads from other agencies, where the agency is hoping to get someone calling them, so they can ask the "have you been put forward for a job like this by another agency?", basically fishing to find out who the employer is, they do the "oh, did you meet Fred Smith (making up a name), the HR manager", in the hope you'll correct them with the real managers name.
Then there's the short term contract stuff, where they tempt you with £100 an hour wages, and say "we're going to put your CV forward for this, but we need your references in advance" funnily enough once they have you old bosses details you never hear from them again, because all they really wanted was contacts to sell their services to.
I've applied to ads where I was able to work out who the employer was after an agent had phone me (I then heard nothing after waiting 6 weeks), so I phoned the employer directly and was told the ad was indeed for a position there, but that position was filled 7 years ago and that they never use agencies, they apologised and wanted to know who the agency was so they could "have words".
Agencies are tricky, lying c*nts, the lot (ok, vast majority) of them.............
Edited by lyonspride on Friday 30th November 15:12
I’ve never been found a job by an agency so don’t use them, I use contacts I know and trust or just approach a firm directly.
Given that agents make money by placing people, if they are not placing you it sounds like you may need to work on what you have to offer and how you present it.
funkyrobot said:
How is everyone getting on?
Unfortunately, I'm back on the lookout after the factory job turned out to be a nightmare. I gave it a good go, but had to give it up in the end. After being there for only two weeks, I was left on my own to run the factory's labelling department. The job was a two person role and despite the fact that I had received inadequate training, I was left to run it with no support whatsoever. It was an absolute nightmare. I don't like people shouting at me and I will not tolerate it. The role also breached health and safety regs as I was left alone in the factory after hours too.
I tried to stick at it (even going into work when vomiting because of a lack of cover), but earlier this week had had enough. When I called up to resign (which you can do in the first month without any notice), I was met with a stinking attitude. HR then called me later that day and blamed me leaving on me having some personal issues, which I don't have. Really, really bizarre. Anyhow, I think I owe them a bit of money as they have paid me for the month and I left a few days ago. However, I'll pay it back and rid myself of anything to do with them.
So, back on the lookout. I've just re applied to JSA and have had an appointment come through already. Have started looking at jobs too. Really didn't want to be back looking again. However, sometimes I guess these things happen. I doubt I'll be adding the factory job to my CV. Don't really see the point as I was only there for 3 weeks.
Hope everyone else is getting on ok.
Sorry to hear it didn't work out. Sounds like you are better off out of there.Unfortunately, I'm back on the lookout after the factory job turned out to be a nightmare. I gave it a good go, but had to give it up in the end. After being there for only two weeks, I was left on my own to run the factory's labelling department. The job was a two person role and despite the fact that I had received inadequate training, I was left to run it with no support whatsoever. It was an absolute nightmare. I don't like people shouting at me and I will not tolerate it. The role also breached health and safety regs as I was left alone in the factory after hours too.
I tried to stick at it (even going into work when vomiting because of a lack of cover), but earlier this week had had enough. When I called up to resign (which you can do in the first month without any notice), I was met with a stinking attitude. HR then called me later that day and blamed me leaving on me having some personal issues, which I don't have. Really, really bizarre. Anyhow, I think I owe them a bit of money as they have paid me for the month and I left a few days ago. However, I'll pay it back and rid myself of anything to do with them.
So, back on the lookout. I've just re applied to JSA and have had an appointment come through already. Have started looking at jobs too. Really didn't want to be back looking again. However, sometimes I guess these things happen. I doubt I'll be adding the factory job to my CV. Don't really see the point as I was only there for 3 weeks.
Hope everyone else is getting on ok.
I've just got home from the end of my second week at Royal Mail's temporary parcel sorting centre (working till Christmas). I'm knackered but on the whole I've enjoyed it.
Got a bit of a routine going now, so when you arrive you just go and get on with it, then move onto something else later in the shift or as directed.
There has been extra hours available if required.
Could be a whole lot worse.
lyonspride said:
bad company said:
I can see why nobody wants to employ you. With that attitude I certainly wouldn’t.
You can't argue that, and so you make it personal? 
You’ve made some ridiculous accusations about the recruitment industry based on unfounded assumptions.
Edited by bad company on Saturday 1st December 09:35
sparky1pq said:
Sorry to hear it didn't work out. Sounds like you are better off out of there.
I've just got home from the end of my second week at Royal Mail's temporary parcel sorting centre (working till Christmas). I'm knackered but on the whole I've enjoyed it.
Got a bit of a routine going now, so when you arrive you just go and get on with it, then move onto something else later in the shift or as directed.
There has been extra hours available if required.
Could be a whole lot worse.
How chaotic is it ?I've just got home from the end of my second week at Royal Mail's temporary parcel sorting centre (working till Christmas). I'm knackered but on the whole I've enjoyed it.
Got a bit of a routine going now, so when you arrive you just go and get on with it, then move onto something else later in the shift or as directed.
There has been extra hours available if required.
Could be a whole lot worse.
I’m back to work Monday so I’ll be delivering it.
i started manual work last feb as struggling to find work, it was a massive change and struggle but nearly a year on still there, i'm hoping to start looking again, but the money isn't bad, and might become perm. i keep my head down just get on with work, no stress just long hours 45-60 a week. Just thought i mention incase anyone else struggling as i never thought i could do it
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