Trials of Finding New Job

Trials of Finding New Job

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Xhenceval

252 posts

189 months

Monday 17th June
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petop said:
I was eating into savings to keep the roof over our heads etc
It diminishes very quickly! You can then find at times the holding back/fearing spend becomes all consuming, which exacerbates the soul destroying task of job hunting.

Had a discussion with a senior recruitment specialist...."try dumbing down your CV, words with fewer syllables, less complex adjectives...remember your (agency/recruitment co screening) audience is likely to be lower paid and unlikely to have had the education you've enjoyed". !!! I know there is a fine line between being pompous and meaningful well articulated CV, but this?

Pit Pony

2,368 posts

65 months

Monday 17th June
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p4cks said:
I’ve applied for 8 in the past 7 days and have heard absolutely FA from any of them just yet. Early days I know but after almost three months of not working it does get rather tiring

If I have to sell one of my cars I’ll really be most upset.

What has been quite enjoyable about being out of work is finding out just how little money I can live on, when I’m not buying stuff that I don’t really need.
In the occasions when I've been between jobs, if I haven't applied for 8 jobs a day, i think I'm failing. Usually I can do that and send CV speculatively to 10 RCs a day and 10.companies direct.

8 a week ? Is not trying.

chunder27

2,309 posts

152 months

Monday 17th June
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That is nonsense.

And depends entirely on your desperation to work, if you have particular skills you might not find many jobs every day you can apply for and you can also find yourself applying for the same job via multiple agencies with subtle changes in wording. If you want the right job, you have to be more selective, you might have a small area to choose form, or could look at moving. These all factor in and change radically your results.

if you want something or need to work at a certain salary that narrows your options considerably in certain fields, so 8 a week I would think is reasonable if a little low. I used to try and apply for 12 jobs a week, that I was a good fit for, some were hopeful, some were obviously easy and towards the end, I was applying for jobs out of desperation, this is what I eventually got.


vindaloo79

290 posts

24 months

Monday 17th June
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Pit Pony said:
In the occasions when I've been between jobs, if I haven't applied for 8 jobs a day, i think I'm failing. Usually I can do that and send CV speculatively to 10 RCs a day and 10.companies direct.

8 a week ? Is not trying.
Is it worth wasting so much time carpet bombing? I also think recruiters will sense desperation if they begin to recognise your profile, that never goes well in my experience.

I tend to focus on either the exact roles I fancy, both the ones my experience is geared up for, and the ones I would like to try, but need to get past the recruiters as gate-keepers. I try and keep to limit time applying, and focus instead on making use of the time off.

I wish everyone the best in continued searching, when you really need a break it can be all consuming.

evilmunkey

1,317 posts

103 months

Tuesday 18th June
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Happy day today , for the first time an agency has emailed me r.e. a job i applied for end of last week. a 3.5. ton delivery driver role with a decent enough wage . now have an interview for the job next monday . was one i saw on a list of vacancies that landed in my inbox from total jobs an agency i have never had a reply from before. Its a temp job for 6 months with possibility of it extending or becoming perm but as they say , its easier to find a job when your working than not and its better than signing on .

Hope i get it ! just want to bring in a wage , Be productive and claw back some self respect as a working man again .

Looks like the company called Flow Logistics are looking for a few drivers based in Ls9 (Leeds) its a bit of a hike to get to for me but i couldnt care less its work .

chunder27

2,309 posts

152 months

Tuesday 18th June
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totaljobs is simply a portal not an agency, like Indeed or cv library.

petop

1,681 posts

110 months

Tuesday 18th June
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evilmunkey said:
Happy day today , for the first time an agency has emailed me r.e. a job i applied for end of last week. a 3.5. ton delivery driver role with a decent enough wage . now have an interview for the job next monday . was one i saw on a list of vacancies that landed in my inbox from total jobs an agency i have never had a reply from before. Its a temp job for 6 months with possibility of it extending or becoming perm but as they say , its easier to find a job when your working than not and its better than signing on .

Hope i get it ! just want to bring in a wage , Be productive and claw back some self respect as a working man again .

Looks like the company called Flow Logistics are looking for a few drivers based in Ls9 (Leeds) its a bit of a hike to get to for me but i couldnt care less its work .
Nice one. Good luck. As i have said i have been in the same boat as you and when you get at least a reply it gets your hopes up.

lyonspride

2,063 posts

99 months

Wednesday 19th June
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vindaloo79 said:
Is it worth wasting so much time carpet bombing? I also think recruiters will sense desperation if they begin to recognise your profile, that never goes well in my experience.
In some respects if you can get past the stage where recruiters are just fishing for information about your former employers, you only then need deal with them fishing for information about jobs you've applied/interviewed for (trying to poach business from other agencies) and everything else they contact you with should then be genuine.

On the other hand, after this stage you can go for weeks without hearing anything from anyone.

Then you update your CV on the various websites and suddenly they all want to speak to you again.

vindaloo79

290 posts

24 months

Thursday 20th June
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I had some good news yesterday, the role I applied for last week came through. Maybe my interview wasn't as weak as I felt at the time. Start in ten days or thereabouts. Should see me busy until December, albeit it 200 miles from home....zzz

Good luck to all.

evilmunkey

1,317 posts

103 months

Thursday 20th June
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Very well done mate. hope i can say the same very soon . hope the job goes well for you .

Pit Pony

2,368 posts

65 months

Sunday 23rd June
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vindaloo79 said:
Is it worth wasting so much time carpet bombing? I also think recruiters will sense desperation if they begin to recognise your profile, that never goes well in my experience.

I tend to focus on either the exact roles I fancy, both the ones my experience is geared up for, and the ones I would like to try, but need to get past the recruiters as gate-keepers. I try and keep to limit time applying, and focus instead on making use of the time off.

I wish everyone the best in continued searching, when you really need a break it can be all consuming.
Works for me. I think that too often we get depressed by the lack of progress

I'm not sure where it fits in but the best contract job i ever got which led to.more work at the same place, had a job title that i would never of spotted.
I had exhausted all the jobs i thought were for me and searching on a combination of buzz words, which frustratingly bought loads of jobs that i knew I wouldn't get and couldn't do. But if 2000 jobs come up, and you trawl though them at 5 am on boxing day, you might get lucky.
Reading the description it was clear I could do it, but that my CV would put them off. So rehashed the cv and put it in the pile of "It's a long shot so probably won't hear anything"
I think was lucky with the RC though.

And the fact that it was Christmas.

vindaloo79

290 posts

24 months

Monday 24th June
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Pit Pony said:
I'm not sure where it fits in but the best contract job i ever got which led to.more work at the same place, had a job title that i would never of spotted.
I can relate to that. I now search for plenty of typos which may be made by those submitting the adverts without much sense of the subject matter. A typo which once helped was the word "broker" mispelt "borker".

I can understand the need to satisfy Jobcentre as per last post, I guess if you have an online list of ten applied for each day, (whether targeted or not) that would hopefully be enough to satisfy requirements. I once signed on between contracts as I was hoping for mortgage interest relief/payment on a house I was struggling to sell 2009. I agreed £35k as the minimum salary and it helped a little in them not pushing unwanted jobs on me.

p4cks

3,203 posts

143 months

Monday 1st July
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Well, just had my first interview in 3 months so should find out this week if I've been successful.

I've also got to record an online 'one way' interview for another role that's progressed, never done one so going to have a crack at it tomorrow or Wednesday. You only get one chance so if anyone knocks on my front door then I'm fked!

ToothbrushMan

Original Poster:

1,610 posts

69 months

Sunday 14th July
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BrabusMog said:
deckster said:
BrabusMog said:
If a plasterer is self employed he can easily earn £80k a year. One of my best friends is a plasterer in SW London, runs a team of two other lads and casual labourers when required for bigger jobs. His missus doesn't work, he supports the whole family and drives an E63 Merc and a family X3/X5 (not sure which as they all look the same nowadays!) - he will be pulling in well over £100k to fund that.
It's not easy to earn at that level, and your mate's not a plasterer - he's a business owner.

Nobody's disputing that trades can earn really good money, but to pretend that it's easily done and possible without a lot of hard graft and serious effort to build up the business is both fanciful and disrespecting those who have poured their life into their work.
Who said earning decent money is easy? It isn't, if it was then everyone would be. When I said "easily", I meant anyone that is prepared to graft - you can't just expect the world to fall into your lap.
sorry but i'm going to cut in here. i was a plasterer for 8 years 3 of which were good for non London wages BUT and lets get this right when it comes to whether earning decent money easily or otherwise....me and my 2 oppos were putting in 7 days a week to try and build up contacts and repeat custom,,,,,no 9 to 5 days for us...at weekends or non workdays we were walking the streets carding neighbourhoods or writing to other trades to generate business. workdays it was out by 7 meet up then sometimes straight to the customer or the builders yard then to the job a full day sometimes a late finish and we were clean and did a good job then you might have some quotes to go to in the evening but I still despite charging around £100 a day each never cleared even 25k a year. one year i might have scraped in 30k. we even branches out into other areas too. so when people say if getting good money was easy " everyone would be doing it" you need to grasp the basic premise that most people who work for themselves are pushing their roe out to earn as much as much as they can whether it comes easy or not is neither here nor there. to simply say "everyone would be doing it" is the bleedin obvious but no less patronising to those that go out and try and run their own business. as we couldnt put in 8 days a week there was little more we could do to improve our financial situation. proof that you can work your nuts off and still not find financial freedom. dont kid me otherwise that it was due to a lack of graft.

i dare say those same people will now say I should have "worked smarter, not harder"........poppycock. you aint gotta clue how hard it is to earn even a national average level of income as far as the UK is concerned today. no idea at all.

p4cks

3,203 posts

143 months

Sunday 14th July
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p4cks said:
Well, just had my first interview in 3 months so should find out this week if I've been successful.

I've also got to record an online 'one way' interview for another role that's progressed, never done one so going to have a crack at it tomorrow or Wednesday. You only get one chance so if anyone knocks on my front door then I'm fked!
Well didn’t get the job, but the other job (the one with the recorded interview) I managed to get to the final stage, which is Wednesday.

I’ve been doing 7-7 shifts in a factory to make ends meet so have had to pie it off to prepare for Wednesday. I have to do a competency based interview as well as a presentation and guess what... my laptop fked yesterday and I haven’t got access to the hard drive yet which is really annoying. Stupidly I hadn’t backed anything up

I’m due some good luck.

NoVetec

9,691 posts

117 months

Sunday 14th July
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ToothbrushMan said:
BrabusMog said:
deckster said:
BrabusMog said:
If a plasterer is self employed he can easily earn £80k a year. One of my best friends is a plasterer in SW London, runs a team of two other lads and casual labourers when required for bigger jobs. His missus doesn't work, he supports the whole family and drives an E63 Merc and a family X3/X5 (not sure which as they all look the same nowadays!) - he will be pulling in well over £100k to fund that.
It's not easy to earn at that level, and your mate's not a plasterer - he's a business owner.

Nobody's disputing that trades can earn really good money, but to pretend that it's easily done and possible without a lot of hard graft and serious effort to build up the business is both fanciful and disrespecting those who have poured their life into their work.
Who said earning decent money is easy? It isn't, if it was then everyone would be. When I said "easily", I meant anyone that is prepared to graft - you can't just expect the world to fall into your lap.
sorry but i'm going to cut in here. i was a plasterer for 8 years 3 of which were good for non London wages BUT and lets get this right when it comes to whether earning decent money easily or otherwise....me and my 2 oppos were putting in 7 days a week to try and build up contacts and repeat custom,,,,,no 9 to 5 days for us...at weekends or non workdays we were walking the streets carding neighbourhoods or writing to other trades to generate business. workdays it was out by 7 meet up then sometimes straight to the customer or the builders yard then to the job a full day sometimes a late finish and we were clean and did a good job then you might have some quotes to go to in the evening but I still despite charging around £100 a day each never cleared even 25k a year. one year i might have scraped in 30k. we even branches out into other areas too. so when people say if getting good money was easy " everyone would be doing it" you need to grasp the basic premise that most people who work for themselves are pushing their roe out to earn as much as much as they can whether it comes easy or not is neither here nor there. to simply say "everyone would be doing it" is the bleedin obvious but no less patronising to those that go out and try and run their own business. as we couldnt put in 8 days a week there was little more we could do to improve our financial situation. proof that you can work your nuts off and still not find financial freedom. dont kid me otherwise that it was due to a lack of graft.

i dare say those same people will now say I should have "worked smarter, not harder"........poppycock. you aint gotta clue how hard it is to earn even a national average level of income as far as the UK is concerned today. no idea at all.
I get what you mean by how hard it can be to build up worthwhile contacts and the whole work smarter/harder thing, but charging £100 a day as a plasterer is borderline charity!

Flibble

4,961 posts

125 months

Sunday 14th July
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NoVetec said:
I get what you mean by how hard it can be to build up worthwhile contacts and the whole work smarter/harder thing, but charging £100 a day as a plasterer is borderline charity!
I had a room skimmed recently, took a day with two men, £250 plus materials. That's not much above what toothbrushman was charging. Not sure what you're paying plasterers but expecting a lot more doesn't seem realistic.

NoVetec

9,691 posts

117 months

Monday 15th July
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Flibble said:
NoVetec said:
I get what you mean by how hard it can be to build up worthwhile contacts and the whole work smarter/harder thing, but charging £100 a day as a plasterer is borderline charity!
I had a room skimmed recently, took a day with two men, £250 plus materials. That's not much above what toothbrushman was charging. Not sure what you're paying plasterers but expecting a lot more doesn't seem realistic.
Depends on the exact job plus any regional variances.

singlecoil

27,704 posts

190 months

Monday 15th July
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NoVetec said:
Flibble said:
NoVetec said:
I get what you mean by how hard it can be to build up worthwhile contacts and the whole work smarter/harder thing, but charging £100 a day as a plasterer is borderline charity!
I had a room skimmed recently, took a day with two men, £250 plus materials. That's not much above what toothbrushman was charging. Not sure what you're paying plasterers but expecting a lot more doesn't seem realistic.
Depends on the exact job plus any regional variances.
yes

Thankyou4calling

6,937 posts

117 months

Monday 15th July
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According to some on this thread £40,000 for a plasterer (in Yorkshire) is laughable and you can earn £80,000 driving a dump truck.

I can’t understand why you can’t just walk into one of these jobs?

Actually, I can, because getting a job, any job is not easy and the level of competition is ridiculously high.

Trust me, I know.