RE: Porsche Cayman GT4 | Spotted

RE: Porsche Cayman GT4 | Spotted

Wednesday 29th January 2020

Porsche Cayman GT4 | Spotted

Want a GT4 to actually drive? Here's the one...



The wait is almost over: there's a Porsche Cayman 718 GT4 coming to PistonHeads HQ very soon, a group test is planned and, finally, we'll know if the 981 can really be improved upon. Dan P was suitably impressed by the 718 on track last summer, but the real test will be on road against similarly sorted rivals.

It has a very high bar to surpass, too. The old GT4, while not perfect, was a fabulous sports car. It looked brilliant, drove even better, and managed to combine everyday usability with sheer thrills arguably better than anything else; there would be absolutely nothing to stop a buyer using their GT4 every day of the week, and then more at weekends. Putting this performance in something of the Cayman's size was a masterstroke as well, just as the 991-era 911 was beginning to feel a little too chunky for some.

All that has, as you're most probably aware, kept the values of 981 GT4s buoyant to say the least. But the desirability presents a problem, too, albeit one not uniquely applicable to Porsches: namely, what's the point of having a great driver's car, if using it will only cause worry about miles harming value?


Well, there's good news. First is that mileage seemingly does little to harm the desirability of GT4s, with cars like this Viper Green example still commanding more than £70k after nearly four years and 24,000 miles. Remember the new list price was £64,451. Secondly, there are just one or two GT4s out there that have been... optimised, shall we say, quite deliberately to even further improve the driving experience. And they already have miles on them. And they cost the same as the other ones. So they have to be driven, really...

Cars like this one, specifically. One of the common criticisms levelled at this Cayman for the past five years is the gearing, which is pretty rangey. Over in California, Sharkwerks devised new ratios for third, fourth and fifth; a worthwhile improvement, it seems, though not exactly affordable at around $9,000. And that's without transport costs. Well, this GT4 has it fitted, which makes it recommendable already.


But there's more besides. The optional ceramic brakes are fitted here, too, supported by SRF brake fluid, alongside upgraded hoses, KW suspension, Manthey suspension arms and a fast road geometry set up. Yes, that's Manthey who build Cayman GT4 race cars and made the GT2 RS go even faster at the 'ring - they know what they're doing with Porsches.

Granted, at the near-£80k this particular Cayman is advertised for, there are lower mileage cars available. Only problem is we're then back the original argument - what's the point of buying a 500-mile GT4 if you're actually keen on driving one? Much better to opt for something like this, kept in regular use and with modifications that will only serve to make it even better. Should the time come to sell, this car should hold additional appeal to that particular group of buyers who might - heaven forbid - take their GT4 on circuit. And if the past few years are anything to go by, it'll still be worth some money...

So while it doesn't have the outright firepower of a GT3, or the box-fresh appeal of the very latest 718, the track day enthusiast should find plenty to enjoy about this GT4. Kudos to the original owner for spending the money and (presumably) using it as intended, because that can't have been a cheap endeavour by any means. But it probably was enormous fun - now's the opportunity to find out just how much for yourself.


SPECIFICATION - PORSCHE CAYMAN GT4 (981)
Engine:
3,800cc, flat-six
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 385@7,400rpm
Torque (lb ft): 310@4,750rpm
MPG: 27.4
CO2: 238g/km
Recorded mileage: 12,000
First registered: 2016
Price new: £64,451 (standard)
Yours for: £77,900

See the original advert here


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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,490 posts

219 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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That looks very mean!

redroadster

1,753 posts

233 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Apart from long gearing almost perfect sports car .

Augustus Windsock

3,374 posts

156 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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redroadster said:
Apart from long gearing almost perfect sports car .
... which has been sorted by the Sharkwerks conversion?

Venisonpie

3,296 posts

83 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Augustus Windsock said:
redroadster said:
Apart from long gearing almost perfect sports car .
... which has been sorted by the Sharkwerks conversion?
Yes and no. Given 2nd is good for 80mph lowering 3,4,5 still means it's too long for uk road use. You therefore won't be able to use all the revs and will not get access to the full power output of the engine.

pb8g09

2,352 posts

70 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Not really much of a Porsche fan, but that is f-ing cool.

Gameface

16,565 posts

78 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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What viper green example?

Dr G

15,209 posts

243 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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I'm sure it's awesome but reading the headline made me think it had done 100k miles already and was 40 grand rofl

wab172uk

2,005 posts

228 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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I nearly bought one last June. Blue with Sports seats, and only just over 4000 miles on the clock.

From my local Porsche dealer. Was advertised at £77,490. So I'd say this car was slightly overpriced. But surely room for negotiation?

Oakman

327 posts

159 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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wab172uk said:
I nearly bought one last June. Blue with Sports seats, and only just over 4000 miles on the clock.

From my local Porsche dealer. Was advertised at £77,490. So I'd say this car was slightly overpriced. But surely room for negotiation?
Did that one have all the same factory fit options (very extensive and expensive on the black car here) plus the Sharkwerks gearbox ?

Looks like JZM - or the owner if it’s SOR, are asking what probably equates closely to the actual factory list price of the car new with the options fitted. Which incidentally seems to match up with the prices asked for most mk1 Gt4s that have moderate use.

Like a previous post, the main gripe about the GT4 gear box is the high 2nd gear ratio, able to hit 84mph at the red line, even some track tests (shorter tighter circuits particularly) questioned its necessity. Surely a gearbox conversion should have attended to that as the priority with 3rd and 4th adjusted to suit it.

I am aware it is an ‘off the shelf’ gearbox and how Porsche chose to set 2nd gear in relation to acceleration figures linked to the final drive ratio as well - no hiccup in 0 - 100 kph due to a change into 3rd gear.

cerb4.5lee

30,794 posts

181 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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I'm not really that into Porsches but this model has always interested me. I remember the first time I saw/heard one and it was yellow and it made a lovely noise.

I'd love a go in one for sure. cool

sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,490 posts

219 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Venisonpie said:
Augustus Windsock said:
redroadster said:
Apart from long gearing almost perfect sports car .
... which has been sorted by the Sharkwerks conversion?
Yes and no. Given 2nd is good for 80mph lowering 3,4,5 still means it's too long for uk road use. You therefore won't be able to use all the revs and will not get access to the full power output of the engine.
Sharkwerks said:
The ideal solution would be a complete re-gearing of 1st through 6th gears. However, that comes at an enormous cost for small batch parts and engineering 1st and 2nd gears will likely not be an option for years, if ever.
Guess there's that problem.

323ti

128 posts

122 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Matt, what cars will the group test be between?
The test I would love to see is the new GT4 against the old one AND the Cayman R!

Also still wondering if the old 987 Cayman already has that same silly gearing as the 981 and onward. 2nd did seem long on my old 987.2.

Court_S

13,016 posts

178 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Likes these a lot; they look even better in the flesh and sound good too.

A lady turned up to a PH breakfast meet last summer in a white one. The carbon seats are lovely up close.

Venisonpie

3,296 posts

83 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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sidesauce said:
Venisonpie said:
Augustus Windsock said:
redroadster said:
Apart from long gearing almost perfect sports car .
... which has been sorted by the Sharkwerks conversion?
Yes and no. Given 2nd is good for 80mph lowering 3,4,5 still means it's too long for uk road use. You therefore won't be able to use all the revs and will not get access to the full power output of the engine.
Sharkwerks said:
The ideal solution would be a complete re-gearing of 1st through 6th gears. However, that comes at an enormous cost for small batch parts and engineering 1st and 2nd gears will likely not be an option for years, if ever.
Guess there's that problem.
Or a change in final drive ratio so that second equates to 60 ish mph. I'm guessing this approach has more of an impact to the higher ratios than the lower ones but for road use it wouldn't matter that it no longer does 180mph.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

105 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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323ti said:
Also still wondering if the old 987 Cayman already has that same silly gearing as the 981 and onward. 2nd did seem long on my old 987.2.
Yes, same gearbox.

flukey5

404 posts

61 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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Price new: £64,451 (standard)
Yours for: £77,900

Yeah, I don't care how 'special' they are. If you're paying over list price for a 4 year old car, you're getting ripped off. Buy a new 718 4.0 for less and actually enjoy it if you really want one.

ajap1979

8,014 posts

188 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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flukey5 said:
Price new: £64,451 (standard)
Yours for: £77,900

Yeah, I don't care how 'special' they are. If you're paying over list price for a 4 year old car, you're getting ripped off. Buy a new 718 4.0 for less and actually enjoy it if you really want one.
Surely the only thing that really determines value is how much it loses?

Dave Hedgehog

14,584 posts

205 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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flukey5 said:
Price new: £64,451 (standard)
Yours for: £77,900

Yeah, I don't care how 'special' they are. If you're paying over list price for a 4 year old car, you're getting ripped off. Buy a new 718 4.0 for less and actually enjoy it if you really want one.
a lot of F40 buyers getting ripped off then

3rd

18 posts

69 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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323ti said:
The test I would love to see is the new GT4 against the old one AND the Cayman R!
Yes! Can we have this test please?!

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

94 months

Wednesday 29th January 2020
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flukey5 said:
Price new: £64,451 (standard)
Yours for: £77,900

Yeah, I don't care how 'special' they are. If you're paying over list price for a 4 year old car, you're getting ripped off. Buy a new 718 4.0 for less and actually enjoy it if you really want one.
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