M4 CSL

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Chunkychucky said:

J-P said:

The lowest figure I've seen on the internet is 1435kg, which feels ridiculously low for obvious reasons. I mean if you made a near 300kg weight-saving, why would you suggest around 100kg saving?

As you say it's ridiculous - I read on the internet Hitler was alive and well in South America. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

I don't, hence why I said "it feels ridiculously low". The Markus Flasch interview is likely to be far more on the money as a) he was the boss of BMW M at the time (although he was just about to leave to become the head of Rolls Royce) and b) 100kg is the kind of weight loss you could expect from use of lightweight materials, less sound deadening and no rear seats - which are all things that it looks like BMW are going to do with this car.

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mmm-five said:

nickfrog said:

Given how much bigger/stiffer the M4 is, that would be really impressive.

...and still lighter than an 90's era e34 M5.

Good point! I think a 100kg weight loss is pretty good and the implication is at least 100kg...

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Have you chaps seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_JL29K6Us

I think that's the M4CSL at 38s on the video - looks like it has the ducktail spoiler and ceramic brakes.

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ChrisW. said:

Didn't F80 to G80 add around 200 kilos ?

OMG - did it really?

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https://www.carscoops.com/2022/05/bmw-m4-csl-tease...

M4 CSL teaser looks good!

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dufflecoat said:

I fear their is nothing L about this CSL. It’s a CS at best.

Hmmm... only 10 days to wait!

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Tommie38 said:

J-P said:

According to this - it will be 1435kg!!! (which would be amazing!)

https://plugavel.com/3271/car/new-bmw-m4-csl-disco...

Doesn’t seem that likely to me.

Agree - I reckon around 1600kg - we will find out in 9 days though!

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4y1emvRTZkQ

Interesting vid - wonder what lap time they’re aiming for?

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liner33 said:

J-P said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4y1emvRTZkQ

Interesting vid - wonder what lap time they’re aiming for?

From what I have read

F82 - 7m52
F82 CS - 7m38
F82 GTS - 7m28

G82 Competition rwd - 7m30
G82 Comp xdrive - 7m28

So the CSL has to be looking at sub 7m20 I would think

With Cup 2R tyres? That would be a pretty soft target - I reckon they'll aim for around 7m10 to 7m15.

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nickfrog said:

Chunkychucky said:

Was struggling to make sense of your 'race car lighter than road car comment', then saw you actually like the way G8x cars look........carry on.

Not very difficult. You mentionned a Touring car winning CSL, which is utterly irrelevant in the context of a road car.

But in the interest of fairness, I checked the weight of the road going 3.0 CSL and what a porker at 1,270 khs considering its size and lack of NVH / safety / equipment. I am sure you would enjoy driving it though, I certainly would.

The fact that I like the look of a car really has nothing to do with anything. I have disliked good looking cars and owned some ugly ones for the way they drive.

Completely agree Nick - I'd prefer an ugly but awesome driving car to a pretty but awful to drive car. Ideally, I'd like something both good-looking and awesome to drive but you can't always get what you want...

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finmac said:

Does anyone know what gearbox this car is getting please?

1. A manual? - Be awesome but I’d be very surprised
2. A DCT? - Given the expected price point, this is the minimum it should have
3. An auto sane as the standard M4 - a cheap option by BMW, IMHO totally out of place in a “CSL” product.

It will definitely have the auto but it should still be pretty good!

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Leaked only 1 day before official reveal!

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I think 1625KG is ok given it’s size. That’s still lighter than my old E92M3.

It comes with everything on it too! So no real options to speak of. Anyway, there are 600 on a list with BMW waiting to see if they’ll be one of the lucky 100, so let’s see what happens.

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Smacko said:

Anyone got a deposit down on one yet? How readily available will these be?

Yes, but have to wait to see if BMW let me have one. 600 deposits already and only 100 cars coming into the UK.

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ChrisW. said:

I bought an E46 M3CSL at 63k new and lost 30k in 18 months ... they couldn't sell them and dealer cars with 1500 miles on the clock were selling at 42k ...

This is possibly the ugliest heaviest CSL type car I have ever seen ... I currently own an F80CS and this CSL leaves me absolutely cold.

Compact. No. Lightweight. No. Track focussed. No. Stripped back with little to go wrong (think 964RS). No. Economical. No. Too fast ... maybe.

Why ?

I am truly not trying to pick a fight .... ??

It was never going to be compact when it’s based on an M4, the new G8x models are just bigger. I agree that it’s not a lightweight car but it is quite a lot lighter than the standard car. I think saying it’s not track focussed is a little harsh. When you look at the spec, they have done quite a lot to the car to make it perform better on track. I can’t remember all of what was done to the E46 CSL but I reckon what they’ve done here is at least similar, so if you feel that the E46 CSL was track focussed then this should be too.

I don’t think anybody buys these types of car for their economy (I certainly wouldn’t) but an average of around 28MPG for a car that has 550hp seems pretty reasonable to me.

In black, I think it looks mean - like the “Batmobile”. 😂.

The thing is I don’t really mind how the M4 looks. It’s not a pretty car by any stretch of the imagination but on the road (with a number plate) it’s OK. Whereas there are other cars like the Alfa Romeo Giulia which are simply gorgeous until you see them with a number plate and you think “hmmm… that’s ruined it”. Still a lovely looking car but nowhere near as nice as it is without a number plate.

I think it’s nice that BMW bothered to make this car at all. New springs, helper springs, retuned dampers, carbon ceramics, MPSC2Rs, specially designed lightweight seats, better joints to enhance feel, more power, higher speed limiter, new aero, reduced sound deadening - a lot has gone into it. And BMW has been in a rich seam of form recently, their cars have performed exceptionally well in road tests, M5 CS won EVO car of the year and the M3 Xdrive placed very high too! This should be a really great bit of kit. (In spite of looks, weight etc).

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Zee Germanz said:

J-P said:

I think 1625KG is ok given it’s size. That’s still lighter than my old E92M3.

It comes with everything on it too! So no real options to speak of. Anyway, there are 600 on a list with BMW waiting to see if they’ll be one of the lucky 100, so let’s see what happens.

Regarding the 600 wait list, how do you know this?

Edited by Zee Germanz on Sunday 22 May 09:27

I asked BMW.

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Zee Germanz said:

J-P said:

Zee Germanz said:

J-P said:

I think 1625KG is ok given it’s size. That’s still lighter than my old E92M3.

It comes with everything on it too! So no real options to speak of. Anyway, there are 600 on a list with BMW waiting to see if they’ll be one of the lucky 100, so let’s see what happens.

Regarding the 600 wait list, how do you know this?

Edited by Zee Germanz on Sunday 22 May 09:27

I asked BMW.

Is this 600 figure for the UK market, or global?

UK, I believe.

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Pupp said:

According to the BMW configurator, which now has this on it, white and black only are offered; no grey. Nothing to say the red stripes can be deleted but will ask tomorrow as have a call scheduled to discuss.
Asked initially whether availability an issue; seems not although 9 to 12 month lead stated…

Interesting... totally different to my conversations.

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Not really - I guess we'll find out soon enough

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Think we'll be hearing any minute now! I think I'd want the Frozen Grey - think it looks cool - might have to get helmets to match