M3 CSL opinions please.....
Discussion
ibroker said:
Im just about to buy another. I only had my first one for 3 months and knew when I
saw it driving away I had done the wrong thing selling it.
What does a clutch cost to replace and how many miles shold you see from it. The one I am getting has 20k on her
saw it driving away I had done the wrong thing selling it.
What does a clutch cost to replace and how many miles shold you see from it. The one I am getting has 20k on her
Clutch should be under warrenty still. I had one done at 10k miles, now on 21k and it's now slurring a little bit, I'm waiting on BMW finding a proper fix before getting it sorted.
bennno said:
The Dude said:
Zod said:
To drive, an SMG car has evrything in common with a manual and nothing with an auto.
apart from no driver control over the missing clutch pedal or gearstick.
i would argue that the auto mode has something in common with an auto?
Bennno
bennno said:
The Dude said:
Zod said:
To drive, an SMG car has evrything in common with a manual and nothing with an auto.
apart from no driver control over the missing clutch pedal or gearstick.
i would argue that the auto mode has something in common with an auto?
Bennno
Its nothing like a proper auto. It feels more like a manual to drive. A manual with no clutch, yes, but a manual.
Even in auto mode it's nothing like an auto (but as Zod says, it's awful and not worth bothering with anyway).
m12_nathan said:
Not sure yet, to my knowledge there is no one who has had the clutch problem that has had the new smg software and had the problem go away, all those saying it has fixed their problem have also had new clutches at the same time. We need those people to do another 10k miles really...
No, I'm in the first group (not had a new clutch but problem fixed for now).
Time will tell if it's fixed long-term, as the teach-in (performed as part of the software upgrade) could have helped a lot.
Edited by mrontheropes on Wednesday 21st June 09:28
ibroker said:
M12 Nathan
Can you summarise the clutch problems in short for me. I was unaware
of any issues the car had
Can you summarise the clutch problems in short for me. I was unaware
of any issues the car had
The problem manifests itself as slipping when you change gear. Some cars have it worse than others, some not at all. Originally BMW were just giving people new clutches but when cars that had had new a new clutch started seeing the problem again after relatively few miles, BMW started to scratch their chins and sort of put a halt to replacing them, concentrating on the idea that its a bug/issue with the SMG software and not the physical clutch itself.
A new updated to the SMG software is making its way to dealers and several people have had the update. Some (most?) have reported a cure but there have been one or two cars that have had it and seen little or no change.
I'm one of the people that had a new clutch AND the new software (under warranty). My car is 100% now but its difficult to seperate the effect of the new clutch from the effect of the new software, for me personally.
BMW are still working on it.
(That's my understanding, Nathan, Zod or Doctor D might be able to correct/enhance it
) Zod said:
The Dude said:
(That's my understanding, Nathan, Zod or Doctor D might be able to correct/enhance it
) That would be interesting.
Still, it's encouraging to see that BMW are on the case, it's only a matter of time before they nail it I reckon.
Are BMW 'on the case' though?
There was a rumour they were ages ago, but not heard anything since.
There is no documentation to suggest this latest update has any fixes for this problem, and there is no PUMA on the clutch issue.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the people who are seeing an apparently fix right now (like me) are doing so because of the teach-in procedure being carried out. In time it'll start to slip again (my theory).
As I said, time will tell......
There was a rumour they were ages ago, but not heard anything since.
There is no documentation to suggest this latest update has any fixes for this problem, and there is no PUMA on the clutch issue.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the people who are seeing an apparently fix right now (like me) are doing so because of the teach-in procedure being carried out. In time it'll start to slip again (my theory).
As I said, time will tell......
Zod said:
s3am said:
I know its a 'sequential manual' but its not really
Er, that's precisely what it is. It is exactly the same manual box as the normal manual M3 with electro-hydraulic activation. You might not like it, but it is a manual gearbox. To drive, an SMG car has evrything in common with a manual and nothing with an auto. I have a 330i auto Touring courtesy car for a few days and I am forever cursing at the lack of control I have compared with SMG or a manual. I'm not referring so much to control over gear changes, as to control over clutch bite point (which any experienced SMG driver will know), engine braking and flywheel effect.
When I say its not really a manual, I mean it doesn't have a gearlever (and clutch pedal). But we're splitting hairs arguing over that. I do like it and I'm not having a go, only interested if many of you would have had one with a gearstick if they had built it?
Edited by s3am on Wednesday 21st June 10:06
iBroker - as the dude said really.
Although it shows as slipping the clutch itsaelf is fine when they remove and replace it (though the flywheel on mine had blue hotspots on it), I think it is more that the SMG software doesn't adjust for clutch wear properly and therefore doesn't engage the clutch quickly enough which under full throttle sounds just like slipping or slurring.
BMW have released new software and have also approached the maker of the clutch.
Although it shows as slipping the clutch itsaelf is fine when they remove and replace it (though the flywheel on mine had blue hotspots on it), I think it is more that the SMG software doesn't adjust for clutch wear properly and therefore doesn't engage the clutch quickly enough which under full throttle sounds just like slipping or slurring.
BMW have released new software and have also approached the maker of the clutch.
MrOnTheRopes said:
s3am said:
only interested if many of you would have had one with a gearstick if they had built it?
Not in a million years. The SMG is superb and perfect for me
Actually moving the gearstick between each slot does nothing for me. Must admit, I didn't relish the SMG at first but once you get used to driving it, it makes perfect sense. I had to drive a 330d manual as a courtesy car when mine was in for the clutch and I thought it would be nice to drive with traditional gears again but actually the opposite was true.
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