M3 CSL experiences?

M3 CSL experiences?

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The Dude

6,546 posts

250 months

Friday 21st July 2006
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s3am said:
Categorically disproved at Vmax, I'm afraid.


Must've been a friday afternoon one then.


richycsl

3,741 posts

220 months

Saturday 22nd July 2006
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m3cslgirl said:
I love it. Would never part with the CSL now. Have had her for 2 years - and have loaded it up and used it to go on holiday, have slept the night in it (although that wasnt very comfortable with the non-adjusting seats).

The noise when the flap opens is awesome and puts a smile on my face every time especially through tunnels. I find its practical and very fast at the same time so suits what I am looking for in a car. Its not too flash but still draws attention. Also hardly ever see any others on the road and if feels good to have a rare car.

On the downside, I find driving it slow is very frustrating. She doesnt really like 30 mph....or traffic!



Mine doesn't like 30mph and traffic is well. Also does't like my licence and the police. Its favourite things are optimax, bendy roads and michelin tyres. When I get my licence back I will definately get a third csl if my current one is sold, just love them.

m3cslgirl

2,215 posts

223 months

Saturday 22nd July 2006
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richycsl said:
m3cslgirl said:
I love it. Would never part with the CSL now. Have had her for 2 years - and have loaded it up and used it to go on holiday, have slept the night in it (although that wasnt very comfortable with the non-adjusting seats).

The noise when the flap opens is awesome and puts a smile on my face every time especially through tunnels. I find its practical and very fast at the same time so suits what I am looking for in a car. Its not too flash but still draws attention. Also hardly ever see any others on the road and if feels good to have a rare car.

On the downside, I find driving it slow is very frustrating. She doesnt really like 30 mph....or traffic!




Mine doesn't like 30mph and traffic is well. Also does't like my licence and the police. Its favourite things are optimax, bendy roads and michelin tyres. When I get my licence back I will definately get a third csl if my current one is sold, just love them.



Hey Richy

You've lost your licence How long before you get it back ?? Thats the trouble with the csl eh just goads you into going faster.... !!

ferrisbueller

29,591 posts

230 months

Sunday 23rd July 2006
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A few more random questions:-

What are the servicing and running costs compared to a normal M3?
What actually are the servicing and running costs? Not many people seem to update their blogs on their car pages
The seat back isn't adjustable, is the wheel rake and reach adjustable?
The faults listed above, bushes and springs, are they cheap and easy to sort?
What is clutch life?

I'll think of some more....

anissut

248 posts

222 months

Sunday 23rd July 2006
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Servicing is the same as the M3. Oil service then Inspection 1 and then inspection 2 with the latter being the most expensive. 10-15k between services. I believe the brakes are more expensive than the std M3. Obviously things like front bumper and the CF bits are more expensive than equivalent bits on the M3. Alcantara steering wheel tends to wear quite quickly. Cracked springs are common but not hugely expensive. Rear trailing arm bushes get shagged but once replaced should last a while. Clutch slip tends to be the biggest pain but the new software MAY have rectified that. It really isn't an expensive car to maintain.

Running costs, well in terms of fuel consumption, being 160 odd kilos lighter than an M3 helps but then again you want to drive it harder due to its intoxicating nature. I average 20mpg but I do a fair bit of urban driving. I think thats pretty decent.

It really does make sense to take the BMW extended warranty out at £1050 annually plus £250 excess for any work, alternative the BMW car club have organised an external warranty at around 700ish without an excess.

The Dude

6,546 posts

250 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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And to pick up the one Anis missed:

ferrisbueller said:

The seat back isn't adjustable, is the wheel rake and reach adjustable?


Yes.


m12_nathan

5,138 posts

262 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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The lean of the seat can be adjusted, but you have to remove the seat and reposition it in different bolt holes to do it, or your dealer could change it before you collect it.

ferrisbueller

29,591 posts

230 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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anissut said:
Servicing is the same as the M3. Oil service then Inspection 1 and then inspection 2 with the latter being the most expensive. 10-15k between services. I believe the brakes are more expensive than the std M3. Obviously things like front bumper and the CF bits are more expensive than equivalent bits on the M3. Alcantara steering wheel tends to wear quite quickly. Cracked springs are common but not hugely expensive. Rear trailing arm bushes get shagged but once replaced should last a while. Clutch slip tends to be the biggest pain but the new software MAY have rectified that. It really isn't an expensive car to maintain.



can we quantify cheap and expensive please? one man's cheap is another man's mortgage!

Also, clutch life. How long do they last and how much to replace?

DoctorD

1,542 posts

259 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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Servicing costs are in the £160-320 range. Trailing arm bushes cost around £20 and then the hour or so to fit them. Clutch I don't know, since none of us have had to pay for one out of warranty. It really is no more expensive than most other BMW's apart from the special light-weight unique components that would cost quite a bit to replace (i.e. £2500 + paint for a new front CF bumper).

Insurance tends to be in the range £900 - 1500 per year depending on age, location and driving history.

I owned 2 M3s beforehand and the costs are identical with the CSL.

Edited by DoctorD on Monday 24th July 14:15

m12_nathan

5,138 posts

262 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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Servicing is every 10-15k miles depending on how it is driven and goes like this:

Oil service - £180
Inspection 1 - £720
Oil service - £180
Inspection 2 - £900

then back to the start, all costs approximate.

Cheers

anissut

248 posts

222 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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Tyres will cost you £900-1000 if you go for Cups and £600-£750 if you go with Michelin or Pirelli on road tyres.

Cups should last 5000-6000 miles if you're not tracking, and road tyres should get you near enough double that.

Edited by anissut on Monday 24th July 16:30

DoctorD

1,542 posts

259 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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m12_nathan said:
Servicing is every 10-15k miles depending on how it is driven and goes like this:

Oil service - £180
Inspection 1 - £720
Oil service - £180
Inspection 2 - £900

then back to the start, all costs approximate.

Cheers


Blimey I don't remember my M3 servicing being anywhere near those Inspection prices, but I haven't reached the mileage yet in my CSL (after 11,000 miles in 3years)..

m12_nathan

5,138 posts

262 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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Murketts are probably cheaper, I paid £620 for an inspection 1 in Reading but supplied my own oil, they quoted £720 originally, the approx inspection 2 price I think included adjusting tappets which may not need doing.

ferrisbueller

29,591 posts

230 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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DoctorD said:
Clutch I don't know, since none of us have had to pay for one out of warranty. Insurance tends to be in the range £900 - 1500 per year depending on age, location and driving history.



Servicing actually looks comparable to, if not cheaper than, the Lotus! Go figure!

Hmmm, so people have had them replaced? Would BMW's extended warranty cover the clutch/SMG?

Interestingly I've got several quotes of £800 using confused.com. I'm 30 with no points and full protected NCB.

Dare I ask, if you don't mind, how much your AP brake setup cost please?

I'm wondering whether they'll stop depreciating soon, and if so when is the best time to buy on the price vs miles curve. Still a little rich for me just now I think.

DoctorD

1,542 posts

259 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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ferrisbueller said:

Dare I ask, if you don't mind, how much your AP brake setup cost please?



AP Brakes were between £2000 and £2600 (appox) depending on whether you do just the fronts or both front and back. But they're worth it. Really.

ferrisbueller

29,591 posts

230 months

Monday 24th July 2006
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DoctorD said:
ferrisbueller said:

Dare I ask, if you don't mind, how much your AP brake setup cost please?



AP Brakes were between £2000 and £2600 (appox) depending on whether you do just the fronts or both front and back. But they're worth it. Really.


'kin hell! I think I may be playing well out of my league here. I know I'd need the brakes though. Read enough to know that.

Nice collection btw, like your beemers eh? Still getting a 997GT3?

DoctorD

1,542 posts

259 months

Tuesday 25th July 2006
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ferrisbueller said:
Nice collection btw, like your beemers eh? Still getting a 997GT3?


I like my Porsches too! A friend of mine just picked up his new 997TT and that has rekindled my interest in getting the GT3 (I was on the list for a GT3RS), but I still endlessly debate whether it makes sense to stick a £90k car in the garage and only use it a dozen times a year..

ferrisbueller

29,591 posts

230 months

Tuesday 25th July 2006
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DoctorD said:
ferrisbueller said:
Nice collection btw, like your beemers eh? Still getting a 997GT3?


I like my Porsches too! A friend of mine just picked up his new 997TT and that has rekindled my interest in getting the GT3 (I was on the list for a GT3RS), but I still endlessly debate whether it makes sense to stick a £90k car in the garage and only use it a dozen times a year..


lend it to me and i'll boost that number for you

Back o/t.

How fearful should i be of clutch issues on a second hand car? I assume the warranty was 3 yrs/ 6ok miles from new? so some will be coming out of warranty and i doubt bmw will be very sympathetic if smg II goes shit shaped!

maxed

1,001 posts

223 months

Wednesday 26th July 2006
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richycsl said:

Mine doesn't like 30mph and traffic is well. Also does't like my licence and the police. Its favourite things are optimax, bendy roads and michelin tyres. When I get my licence back I will definately get a third csl if my current one is sold, just love them.


Crikey, another without a licence
I take it, totting up.
When do you get it back ?
The countries economy will go down the drain if this keeps happening

BTW I can keep your csl looked after & I'm clear of all points....now

Edited by maxed on Wednesday 26th July 00:56

SPB2

130 posts

230 months

Wednesday 26th July 2006
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There are two beautiful black ones in the classifieds, one even has the AP brakes. Sooo tempting!!