Have you bought one of those great looking Rolex/Omega fakes

[Mont Blanc]

ruhall said:

Ignoring smart watches, why do people wear a watch?

If it isn't simply for telling the time, what is it for?

(I find it quite relaxing when I realise that a few weeks might have passed and I've not worn a watch)

I have heard people describe watches as ‘jewellery for men’ and I agree. Nothing wrong with that.

For me personally, it is a mix of enjoying the feeling of wearing a nice watch, the same as you would enjoy wearing a really nice shirt, suit, or shoes. It’s the whole jewellery thing. Enjoying wearing your hard earned finery.

Plus, I genuinely find it handy for checking the time, rather than getting my phone out of my pocket. When I don’t wear a watch, I find myself looking at an empty wrist, tutting to myself, then having to locate my phone from whichever pocket it is secreted in.

[fasimew]

Countdown said:

Yep, and your dad's bigger than his dad.

The losers are people who wear watches to try and impress others, and get upset by other people doing the same "on the cheap".

This is exactly why I'm not spending 5k on a real one. Because I can achieve the same thing for minimal outlay.
I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.

[Countdown]

fasimew said:

Countdown said:

Yep, and your dad's bigger than his dad.

The losers are people who wear watches to try and impress others, and get upset by other people doing the same "on the cheap".

This is exactly why I'm not spending 5k on a real one. Because I can achieve the same thing for minimal outlay.
I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.

I don't think you're getting the same quality, you might be getting the same "image" (if people don't look too closely).

If people wearing genuine Rolexes are "aspirational mugs" what does that make somebody wearing a fake Rolex?

[robsa]

The other problem with wearing a fake (apart from the obvious) is that at some point you will need to get it serviced, and you may have trouble finding a jeweller willing to do so. Do you really want to spend a load of cash on a watch that only lasts a couple of years max?
Yeah maybe 'Rolex John' in Milton Keynes will do it for you, but his bedroom has about 80 fakes in it already and he doesn't seem to be answering his emails recently...

[Mercdriver]

Problem with a Rolex is getting it serviced or repaired, Rolex will only supply spares to approved dealers.

I had A GMT master thirty years old, put it into local dealers for a service, they sent it to Rolex for evaluation and they wanted to change the case, crankshaft and bracelet, it would not have been the watch I worked hard for to purchase it.

Sold and used money to have a cruise holiday in the med.

Bought a digital watch, which I prefer, in local flea market in Spain for ten euros, keeps great time and and I don’t have to reset it every time I wear it.

[fasimew]

Countdown said:

I don't think you're getting the same quality, you might be getting the same "image" (if people don't look too closely).

If people wearing genuine Rolexes are "aspirational mugs" what does that make somebody wearing a fake Rolex?

Someone previously stated that fake rolex's can be had with the same quality.
You can also get other brands of the same quality as Rolex for far less.

It depends on your reasons for wearing that Rolex.
I'd say those that wear fake rolex's to show off are also aspirational mugs, just less so than someone wearing a real one for the same reason.

[Tyrell Corp]

Hard-Drive said:

But why spend £800 on a fake Rolex unless it's to pretend it's something it's not?

Alternatively £800 buys some really nice vintage stuff, super rare, impractical to fake and some with very decent movements inside.

[Mont Blanc]

fasimew said:

This is exactly why I'm not spending 5k on a real one. Because I can achieve the same thing for minimal outlay.
I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.

I wasn’t sure earlier, but now I know you are absolutely just trolling.

“Climb the social ladder”

[fasimew]

Mont Blanc said:

fasimew said:

This is exactly why I'm not spending 5k on a real one. Because I can achieve the same thing for minimal outlay.
I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.

I wasn’t sure earlier, but now I know you are absolutely just trolling.

“Climb the social ladder”

I'm deadly serious. Why else would anyone wear a Rolex when there are other brands available? The number one reason is to look flash. Put it in whatever words you want.

[Mont Blanc]

fasimew said:

I'm deadly serious. Why else would anyone wear a Rolex when there are other brands available? The number one reason is to look flash. Put it in whatever words you want.

Because some people just like to own really nice things?

There are people on PH who have posted about owning numerous Rolex watches yet rarely take them out of the house, as the pleasure, for them is in owning them and enjoying looking at them.

Other people will buy them as they feel they are simply an excellent quality watch, which they are. Some posters on here have bought a Rolex and had it as their one and only watch for 20, 30, 40 years.

Some will just absolutely love the style and design of them, but not give a stuff if anyone else likes it.

Of course, some people will want to wear them as a sign of success or money, or to show off, nothing wrong with that either.

So lots of reasons to own a Rolex, or other high quality watch costing £5k, £10k, 15k and up.

Edited by Mont Blanc on Thursday 1st February 19:45

[gregs656]

Countdown said:

gregs656 said:

Countdown said:

What's wrong with pretending it's something it's not?

I think most reception age children have a good handle on what is wrong with lying.

Unless you've specifically asked them if it's genuine and they have said it is, they haven't lied to you.

But let's say they DO lie.....in the grand scheme of things how much damage does somebody do by pretending their Rolex is genuine?

As lies go it's up there with "My dad used to play centre forward for Man United and my girlfriend is a model", it upsets jealous/envious people (and that's mainly their own nature). Nobody is hurt by it and nobody else cares.

The whole product is a lie.

It could do a significant amount of damage if that person was selling it at the time.

[wong]

If these superclones are virtually identical with interchangeable parts with the real thing, how much must Rolex spend on advertising and profit?

[fasimew]

Mont Blanc said:

fasimew said:

I'm deadly serious. Why else would anyone wear a Rolex when there are other brands available? The number one reason is to look flash. Put it in whatever words you want.

Because some people just like to own really nice things?

There are people on PH who have posted about owning numerous Rolex watches yet rarely take them out of the house, as the pleasure, for them is in owning them and enjoying looking at them.

Other people will buy them as they feel they are simply an excellent quality watch, which they are. Some posters on here have bought a Rolex and had it as their one and only watch for 20, 30, 40 years.

Some will just absolutely love the style and design of them, but not give a stuff if anyone else likes it.

Of course, some people will want to wear them as a sign of success or money, or to show off, nothing wrong with that either.

So lots of reasons to own a Rolex, or other high quality watch costing £5k, £10k, 15k and up.

Edited by Mont Blanc on Thursday 1st February 19:45

But thousands of other watch brands are available, many of them also producing very nice things. The same quality can be had for a lower cost. It can also be had for a higher cost. Styles and designs are all very similar. So why pick a Rolex of all the options available? It's no better or worse than any other high end watch, but for some reason basic people are drawn towards them like they're the holy grail.

[RSTurboPaul]

gregs656 said:

Countdown said:

gregs656 said:

Countdown said:

What's wrong with pretending it's something it's not?

I think most reception age children have a good handle on what is wrong with lying.

Unless you've specifically asked them if it's genuine and they have said it is, they haven't lied to you.

But let's say they DO lie.....in the grand scheme of things how much damage does somebody do by pretending their Rolex is genuine?

As lies go it's up there with "My dad used to play centre forward for Man United and my girlfriend is a model", it upsets jealous/envious people (and that's mainly their own nature). Nobody is hurt by it and nobody else cares.

The whole product is a lie.

It could do a significant amount of damage if that person was selling it at the time.

That is an entirely different situation to someone just wearing a copy on the wrist.

The vast majority of the replica/copy/homage/fake community in no way endorses the selling of such watches as genuine.

Perhaps ironically, it could be argued that they are the most likely to have detailed knowledge of what differentiates a copy from the original, information that can be used to help others from unknowingly purchasing a copy.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 2nd February 02:55

[Hard-Drive]

fasimew said:

This is exactly why I'm not spending 5k on a real one. Because I can achieve the same thing for minimal outlay.
I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.

Honestly? You don't actually like Rolex. You don't get the hype. But you want to spend a considerable amount of money, to buy a fake of a product that you don't actually like in the first place, so you can try and pass it off as a real Rolex in order to impress other people and make you look like "an aspirational mug".

Wow.

I'm sorry but I actually find that genuinely quite sad.

(Once again, let me state that I do not, have never, and probably never will own a Rolex)

[Gixer968CS]

fasimew said:

Mont Blanc said:

fasimew said:

This is exactly why I'm not spending 5k on a real one. Because I can achieve the same thing for minimal outlay.
I'm not a Rolex person at all. I don't get the hype. I can get the same quality for a lot less. Why would I want to spend all that money to be seen wearing the same thing as every other aspirational mug? But if I could climb the social ladder for peanuts in comparison... then I'll take it.

I wasn’t sure earlier, but now I know you are absolutely just trolling.

“Climb the social ladder”

I'm deadly serious. Why else would anyone wear a Rolex when there are other brands available? The number one reason is to look flash. Put it in whatever words you want.

I imagine that's true of some people but certainly not all. My scenario; my "cool" uncle wore a Rolex Submariner and when I was little boy. I had no idea what it was but I knew I liked it. Later I watched Diamonds Forever and Live and Let Die and I realised what a Rolex Submariner was and I knew I wanted one. When I was 28 I got a one off bonus for some work I'd done and what I did was go out and buy a Submariner. Waited about 9 months for it. That was 28 years ago and I love it today as much as I did then. In my eyes it is an effortlessly stylish item, well made and a design that has stood the test of time. A classic. As to quality, mine went 25 years without a service, worn every day, all day no matter what I was doing. I only got it done as it was looking pretty beaten up by then, still kept good time. I really don't care what anyone else thinks about my watch. It brings me joy and it reminds me of my childhood. And James Bond.

The other thing of course, I paid £1680 for it in 1996 and its probably worth c£7-8000 now. The service at 25 years cost c£700 and I also have had the bracelet restored which cost about £800. So aside from being a lovely thing that I enjoy wearing it's also not been a bad investment.

BTW the cool uncle also drove an Escort RS1600i and I also had one of those for while as well

[Castrol for a knave]

Pal of mine has some version of a Royal Oak, he also has the exact same version but a superclone.

His view is that the clone is the painting in the attic, and he leaves the real thing for best. He reckons it's ok, because he knows he has the real thing at home.

[NDA]

I have 3 fakes which I bought in advance of buying the real thing to see how they looked. Unfortunately it's impossible to try on some Patek and Rolex models, so a replica one is an easy way of trying it out for a bit.

I never wore them outside the house and they live in my study somewhere gathering dust.

And this one - a sort of fake.

[BOR]

wong said:

If these superclones are virtually identical with interchangeable parts with the real thing, how much must Rolex spend on advertising and profit?

Yes, I think this is what winds the muggles up most of all.

The sickening realisation that the cost to manufacture their Rolex is a small fraction of what it cost them to buy. What a rip off.

Veblen Goods 101

[Gixer968CS]

BOR said:

wong said:

If these superclones are virtually identical with interchangeable parts with the real thing, how much must Rolex spend on advertising and profit?

Yes, I think this is what winds the muggles up most of all.

The sickening realisation that the cost to manufacture their Rolex is a small fraction of what it cost them to buy. What a rip off.

Veblen Goods 101

Same true of a Porsche 993? Well designed, well engineered item, worth more now than when new. Could it be that people just want to drive a Porsche 993 but in order to do so they are competing for limited inventory and so the price goes up. Just like Porsche Rolex deliberately limit supply of new watches in order to protect resale values and make their watches appear to be exclusive. Any valuable commodity behaves this way and a great many (pretty much all) goods purchased are sold at multiples of their input/manufacturing/growing cost aren't they??