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saaby93 said:
Only if people continue to gripe rather than try to do something positive about it
There's nothing that can be done about it, so might as well have a gripe!Anyway, its not anything that the majority of people in the aircraft preservation movement didn't predict even BEFORE it flew again over 10 years ago.
The plan submitted to HLF to get the cash was flawed from day one, not that anyone bar those in the aircraft preservation movement seemed to be concerned about at the time....hey ho!
Chickens coming home to roost is the phrase, and why most people within that community choose to support '426 or '655 instead.....or wish they could save '607!
saaby93 said:
Only if people continue to gripe rather than try to do something positive about it
What funding did they say they had lined up and what were they waiting for?
The plane is back at its ancestral home the old RAF Finningley
How much does a hangar cost to create a heritage centre?
Instead of asking questions here, why not actually read the Vulcan website? What funding did they say they had lined up and what were they waiting for?
The plane is back at its ancestral home the old RAF Finningley
How much does a hangar cost to create a heritage centre?
Yertis, heritage wise I would agree with you. But, the Vulcan was not that popular when it flew in service with crowds, certainly noting amazing, but now it is up there with Spitfires, the Lanc, Concorde etc.
It just took on another level of popularity in its time away and I doubt the Canberra would ever manage that feat, even if it truly deserves it.
It just took on another level of popularity in its time away and I doubt the Canberra would ever manage that feat, even if it truly deserves it.
chunder27 said:
But, the Vulcan was not that popular when it flew in service with crowds, certainly noting amazing
Not my recollection, even from the RAF pre-VDF era of the 1970's and early 80's. And the RAF in-service displays (and early VDF era) were way more amazing than the 'modern' VTTS era with its enforced constraints on engine and airframe life.
aeropilot said:
Not my recollection, even from the RAF pre-VDF era of the 1970's and early 80's.
And the RAF in-service displays (and early VDF era) were way more amazing than the 'modern' VTTS era with its enforced constraints on engine and airframe life.
Nor mine, I recall people waiting for the Vulcan back then, including my mum who doesn't normally give a toss about aircraft.And the RAF in-service displays (and early VDF era) were way more amazing than the 'modern' VTTS era with its enforced constraints on engine and airframe life.
saaby93 said:
Only if people continue to gripe rather than try to do something positive about it
What funding did they say they had lined up and what were they waiting for?
The plane is back at its ancestral home the old RAF Finningley
How much does a hangar cost to create a heritage centre?
https://www.vulcantothesky.org/news/1016/82/Trust-Update-August-2019/NewsWhat funding did they say they had lined up and what were they waiting for?
The plane is back at its ancestral home the old RAF Finningley
How much does a hangar cost to create a heritage centre?
After reading it, if you want to discuss it here, you have to start your own thread though because this one is (according to you) just to discuss how great it was to see it flying.
Does it actually matter now that XH558's flying days are over ? And are we being a bit harsh on VTTS ?
Whilst many people are justifiably critical of some of VTTS's decisions - they achieved what many people thought impossible and got the aircraft onto the Civil Register and kept it flying safely and with reasonable availability right up to the point that its continued operation became impossible because of the lack of RR and BAE support. Surely that was by far the most important objective of the project ?
Whilst it was the only remaining flying Vulcan, it was indeed a unique national treasure. But now its flying days are over, it's no more special than the 2 other ground runnable Vulcan's and the countless other Cold War jets preserved in similar condition.
Am I being unfair ?
Whilst many people are justifiably critical of some of VTTS's decisions - they achieved what many people thought impossible and got the aircraft onto the Civil Register and kept it flying safely and with reasonable availability right up to the point that its continued operation became impossible because of the lack of RR and BAE support. Surely that was by far the most important objective of the project ?
Whilst it was the only remaining flying Vulcan, it was indeed a unique national treasure. But now its flying days are over, it's no more special than the 2 other ground runnable Vulcan's and the countless other Cold War jets preserved in similar condition.
Am I being unfair ?
Seight_Returns said:
Does it actually matter now that XH558's flying days are over ? And are we being a bit harsh on VTTS ?
Whilst many people are justifiably critical of some of VTTS's decisions - they achieved what many people thought impossible and got the aircraft onto the Civil Register and kept it flying safely and with reasonable availability right up to the point that its continued operation became impossible because of the lack of RR and BAE support. Surely that was by far the most important objective of the project ?
Whilst it was the only remaining flying Vulcan, it was indeed a unique national treasure. But now its flying days are over, it's no more special than the 2 other ground runnable Vulcan's and the countless other Cold War jets preserved in similar condition.
Am I being unfair ?
I don’t think so but remember 558 had so much money thrown at it and as a piece of machinery was and probably still is the best preserved Vulcan.Whilst many people are justifiably critical of some of VTTS's decisions - they achieved what many people thought impossible and got the aircraft onto the Civil Register and kept it flying safely and with reasonable availability right up to the point that its continued operation became impossible because of the lack of RR and BAE support. Surely that was by far the most important objective of the project ?
Whilst it was the only remaining flying Vulcan, it was indeed a unique national treasure. But now its flying days are over, it's no more special than the 2 other ground runnable Vulcan's and the countless other Cold War jets preserved in similar condition.
Am I being unfair ?
It would be a great shame not to house it properly and for a fraction of the cost to keep it airworthy keep it as close to airworthy as possible.
Sadly I suspect it’s a bit of a pawn in a game and is simply sitting where it is rotting slowly which will be exponential and pretty shortly little costs become big costs.
Seight_Returns said:
Does it actually matter now that XH558's flying days are over ? And are we being a bit harsh on VTTS ?
Whilst many people are justifiably critical of some of VTTS's decisions - they achieved what many people thought impossible and got the aircraft onto the Civil Register and kept it flying safely and with reasonable availability right up to the point that its continued operation became impossible because of the lack of RR and BAE support. Surely that was by far the most important objective of the project ?
Whilst it was the only remaining flying Vulcan, it was indeed a unique national treasure. But now its flying days are over, it's no more special than the 2 other ground runnable Vulcan's and the countless other Cold War jets preserved in similar condition.
Am I being unfair ?
No, far from being unfair, and that's pretty much the crux of the issue and has always been.Whilst many people are justifiably critical of some of VTTS's decisions - they achieved what many people thought impossible and got the aircraft onto the Civil Register and kept it flying safely and with reasonable availability right up to the point that its continued operation became impossible because of the lack of RR and BAE support. Surely that was by far the most important objective of the project ?
Whilst it was the only remaining flying Vulcan, it was indeed a unique national treasure. But now its flying days are over, it's no more special than the 2 other ground runnable Vulcan's and the countless other Cold War jets preserved in similar condition.
Am I being unfair ?
One of the conditions of the HLF grant had to include a plan for after it made its final flight, I'm guessing so that the money spent could be continued to be seen to be justified, and not to see it scrapped or abandoned to a corner of an old airfield somewhere.
This is what created this Engineering Excellence Centre and hangar nonsense, although the original plan as submitted to HLF said '558 would be retired to Duxford, which at the time no one in the preservation movement could understand as Duxford already has a Vulcan and didn't want another one!
Seight_Returns said:
Does it actually matter now that XH558's flying days are over ? And are we being a bit harsh on VTTS ?
Whilst many people are justifiably critical of some of VTTS's decisions - they achieved what many people thought impossible and got the aircraft onto the Civil Register and kept it flying safely and with reasonable availability right up to the point that its continued operation became impossible because of the lack of RR and BAE support. Surely that was by far the most important objective of the project ?
Whilst it was the only remaining flying Vulcan, it was indeed a unique national treasure. But now its flying days are over, it's no more special than the 2 other ground runnable Vulcan's and the countless other Cold War jets preserved in similar condition.
Am I being unfair ?
Yes Whilst many people are justifiably critical of some of VTTS's decisions - they achieved what many people thought impossible and got the aircraft onto the Civil Register and kept it flying safely and with reasonable availability right up to the point that its continued operation became impossible because of the lack of RR and BAE support. Surely that was by far the most important objective of the project ?
Whilst it was the only remaining flying Vulcan, it was indeed a unique national treasure. But now its flying days are over, it's no more special than the 2 other ground runnable Vulcan's and the countless other Cold War jets preserved in similar condition.
Am I being unfair ?
As a national treasure it is the one the people will have seen flying around.
Its parked up at a suitable venue with heritage. Some of the funders have said they'll help if other backers can be found.
It needs a VTTS type push now to the hangar VTTH?
"Done" as in scrapped? 607 is past any hope of salvation.
558 is in the wrong place, sat outside at a commercial airport where the public cannot access it, hosted by the most rapacious bds in the business who will think nothing of scrapping it the moment VTTS goes bust... the whole plan lacked credibility from the start and the Vulcan's only hope of survival is to be moved (via a one-off ferry flight) elsewhere.
558 is in the wrong place, sat outside at a commercial airport where the public cannot access it, hosted by the most rapacious bds in the business who will think nothing of scrapping it the moment VTTS goes bust... the whole plan lacked credibility from the start and the Vulcan's only hope of survival is to be moved (via a one-off ferry flight) elsewhere.
saaby93 said:
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