waiter unhappy with tip
Discussion
macdaddy11 said:
Still, each to his own. Friends who I have had in the catering service industry do appreciate being tipped, and I don't blame them. It makes up for all the customers that are 'difficult'.
Some people are just tight, end of.
As pointed out many of these workers are possible earning for college or whatnot and besides the work even if basic and could be carried out by a zombie is pretty stressful with grumpy customers probably every other hour.
If asked to tip on the card machine I usually tip 4 or 5 quid as it's not a huge amount at the end of the day, providing the service and food was good. I'm talking places like nandos and the like here.
As pointed out many of these workers are possible earning for college or whatnot and besides the work even if basic and could be carried out by a zombie is pretty stressful with grumpy customers probably every other hour.
If asked to tip on the card machine I usually tip 4 or 5 quid as it's not a huge amount at the end of the day, providing the service and food was good. I'm talking places like nandos and the like here.
CS Garth said:
Would you serve you for £8.21 an hour?!
If I wasn't qualified to do anything paying better money, yes, why not? As already said, it's an easy enough job that any simpleton can do, much the same as working in a shop, bar, fast food joint, for example. You have busy periods and you have quiet periods.CS Garth said:
macdaddy11 said:
Still, each to his own. Friends who I have had in the catering service industry do appreciate being tipped, and I don't blame them. It makes up for all the customers that are 'difficult'.
Lemming Train said:
CS Garth said:
Would you serve you for £8.21 an hour?!
If I wasn't qualified to do anything paying better money, yes, why not? As already said, it's an easy enough job that any simpleton can do, much the same as working in a shop, bar, fast food joint, for example. You have busy periods and you have quiet periods.As I would fall into camp B, I like to treat others as I would expect to be treated, thus when I am out and about I tip unless the service is diabolical.
Well probably have to agree to disagree on this one
Roman Rhodes said:
So me giving advice to someone and saying I don’t always tip equates to “they must always be tipped at least 10% of the bill because of how hard done-by the delicate little petals are”?
indeed.
Have you ever stopped to consider that many of these people who “should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn’t be restricted to NMW crappy jobs” are in fact students looking to pay their way through A-level and degree courses?
There’s many reasons why people do these jobs. I’d argue that none of them give you the right to try and assuage your own inadequacies by looking down your nose at them.
HTH
Nor you to suggest that others are 'tight gits' just because their thoughts on tipping don't align with yours. indeed.Have you ever stopped to consider that many of these people who “should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn’t be restricted to NMW crappy jobs” are in fact students looking to pay their way through A-level and degree courses?
There’s many reasons why people do these jobs. I’d argue that none of them give you the right to try and assuage your own inadequacies by looking down your nose at them.
HTH
CS Garth said:
Lemming Train said:
CS Garth said:
Would you serve you for £8.21 an hour?!
If I wasn't qualified to do anything paying better money, yes, why not? As already said, it's an easy enough job that any simpleton can do, much the same as working in a shop, bar, fast food joint, for example. You have busy periods and you have quiet periods.As I would fall into camp B, I like to treat others as I would expect to be treated, thus when I am out and about I tip unless the service is diabolical.
Well probably have to agree to disagree on this one
ZedLeg said:
Considering it's impossible to tip supermarket staff it's a pointless question, there's a good chance that a supermarket employee would be fired if they were seen taking money from a customer and not putting it in the till.
Which is why we should increase the minimum wage.
But there's a wider implication of increasing the minimum wage. If I as an employer now have to pay for example £10 / hour, I want staff that are worth £10 / hour with the corresponding skills. So I'd hire older, more able and experienced staff. I'd hire fewer of them as I can no longer afford as many. I'd be installing things like the automated order kiosks you see at McDonalds. So all these students trying to pay their way through school are going to struggle.Which is why we should increase the minimum wage.
Lemming Train said:
Again, it's a strawman argument. To repeat what others have said earlier in this thread : do you also give the Asda check-out wallah 10% of your grocery bill for processing your groceries in a diligent, graceful and courteous manner to show that their efforts are appreciated and acknowledged? They are going to be on the same £8.21 per hour that the plate carrier in the restaurant is on, and also have a queue of people waiting in line to be served. I'll answer that for you : no you would not tip them.
If it had become a socially accepted norm to then yes I’d be peeling the the 20s off for the till staff .Seriously, I accept that no one should feel pressured to, and it is entirely discretionary, but If you are able to I think you should. If you don’t want to, that’s fine too. I do think it’s a bit stingy of you can afford to and you don’t - others will feel differently and that’s their prerogative.
macdaddy11 said:
ZedLeg said:
Considering it's impossible to tip supermarket staff it's a pointless question, there's a good chance that a supermarket employee would be fired if they were seen taking money from a customer and not putting it in the till.
Which is why we should increase the minimum wage.
But there's a wider implication of increasing the minimum wage. If I as an employer now have to pay for example £10 / hour, I want staff that are worth £10 / hour with the corresponding skills. So I'd hire older, more able and experienced staff. I'd hire fewer of them as I can no longer afford as many. I'd be installing things like the automated order kiosks you see at McDonalds. So all these students trying to pay their way through school are going to struggle.Which is why we should increase the minimum wage.
If the minimum wage went to a flat rate of £10ph from age 16 up then that might happen but big companies are already automating with self serve tills and whatever so using the threat of it as an excuse to continue paying poverty wages doesn't really stand up.
If I were in charge I'd start taxing companies that used a lot of automation more and putting the money into a universal income scheme but that's another argument
.Lemming Train said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Have you ever stopped to consider that many of these people who “should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn’t be restricted to NMW crappy jobs” are in fact students looking to pay their way through A-level and degree courses?
There’s many reasons why people do these jobs. I’d argue that none of them give you the right to try and assuage your own inadequacies by looking down your nose at them.
HTH
Who cares what the reason is? It's strawman whataboutery nonsense and completely irrelevant. It's you and others that have collectively decided that they should be given another 10% of the bill for........ just doing their job that they are already being paid a perfectly reasonable wage to do by the establishment owner. There’s many reasons why people do these jobs. I’d argue that none of them give you the right to try and assuage your own inadequacies by looking down your nose at them.
HTH
I'd argue that those of you who are tipping them are the ones looking down your noses as you take pity on the poor, hapless minions having to scrape by on 'only' £8.21 an hour and feel compelled to throw money at them to make their sorry existences a little more bearable
The fact you clearly disdain these people ("poor hapless minions") simply because you have a 'better' job at the time at which they serve you is rather pathetic.
Far from anyone having "collectively decided that they should be given another 10% of the bill" I'm just happy to fit in with the prevailing ettiquette and customs that have existed for generations. There have always been sociopaths and tight gits too - but only recently has social media given them more opportunity to inflict their unpleasant views to a wider audience.
Students are likely to be on £4.35 - £7.70 in the (unlikely) event that it makes any difference to your views.
ZedLeg said:
Under the current system they wouldn't. You only get the top rate of minimum wage over 25 so if you hire students and teenagers you don't have to pay them as much.
If the minimum wage went to a flat rate of £10ph from age 16 up then that might happen but big companies are already automating with self serve tills and whatever so using the threat of it as an excuse to continue paying poverty wages doesn't really stand up.
If I were in charge I'd start taxing companies that used a lot of automation more and putting the money into a universal income scheme but that's another argument.
That is interesting, although I don't agree with the term 'poverty wages'. The tax thing could be a good idea, but I'd put money into getting people educated so they could get the higher paying more demanding jobs or something. But that is another argument If the minimum wage went to a flat rate of £10ph from age 16 up then that might happen but big companies are already automating with self serve tills and whatever so using the threat of it as an excuse to continue paying poverty wages doesn't really stand up.
If I were in charge I'd start taxing companies that used a lot of automation more and putting the money into a universal income scheme but that's another argument
.Roman Rhodes said:
Who cares what the reason is? Well, quite clearly you care what the reason is! Have you forgotten you said these people "should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn’t be restricted to NMW crappy jobs”? In what way is addressing the point you made "whataboutery" and "irrelevant"?
The fact you clearly disdain these people ("poor hapless minions") simply because you have a 'better' job at the time at which they serve you is rather pathetic.
Far from anyone having "collectively decided that they should be given another 10% of the bill" I'm just happy to fit in with the prevailing ettiquette and customs that have existed for generations. There have always been sociopaths and tight gits too - but only recently has social media given them more opportunity to inflict their unpleasant views to a wider audience.
Students are likely to be on £4.35 - £7.70 in the (unlikely) event that it makes any difference to your views.
The fact you clearly disdain these people ("poor hapless minions") simply because you have a 'better' job at the time at which they serve you is rather pathetic.
Far from anyone having "collectively decided that they should be given another 10% of the bill" I'm just happy to fit in with the prevailing ettiquette and customs that have existed for generations. There have always been sociopaths and tight gits too - but only recently has social media given them more opportunity to inflict their unpleasant views to a wider audience.
Students are likely to be on £4.35 - £7.70 in the (unlikely) event that it makes any difference to your views.
ref the highlighted bit. You seem to be a bit dim. That was quite obviously sarcasm directed at people such as yourself who think these (apparently) underpaid workers deserve to have more money thrown at them for just doing their job.I love that you're now so angry you're referring to the non-tippers as sociopaths.
WTF! Lemming Train said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Who cares what the reason is? Well, quite clearly you care what the reason is! Have you forgotten you said these people "should have concentrated more at school then and got themselves some qualifications so they wouldn’t be restricted to NMW crappy jobs”? In what way is addressing the point you made "whataboutery" and "irrelevant"?
The fact you clearly disdain these people ("poor hapless minions") simply because you have a 'better' job at the time at which they serve you is rather pathetic.
Far from anyone having "collectively decided that they should be given another 10% of the bill" I'm just happy to fit in with the prevailing ettiquette and customs that have existed for generations. There have always been sociopaths and tight gits too - but only recently has social media given them more opportunity to inflict their unpleasant views to a wider audience.
Students are likely to be on £4.35 - £7.70 in the (unlikely) event that it makes any difference to your views.
The fact you clearly disdain these people ("poor hapless minions") simply because you have a 'better' job at the time at which they serve you is rather pathetic.
Far from anyone having "collectively decided that they should be given another 10% of the bill" I'm just happy to fit in with the prevailing ettiquette and customs that have existed for generations. There have always been sociopaths and tight gits too - but only recently has social media given them more opportunity to inflict their unpleasant views to a wider audience.
Students are likely to be on £4.35 - £7.70 in the (unlikely) event that it makes any difference to your views.
ref the highlighted bit. You seem to be a bit dim. That was quite obviously sarcasm directed at people such as yourself who think these (apparently) underpaid workers deserve to have more money thrown at them for just doing their job.I love that you're now so angry you're referring to the non-tippers as sociopaths.
WTF! 
ks makes you feel better about yourself then...I suggest you Google sociopath and take the test.
CS Garth said:
If it had become a socially accepted norm to then yes I’d be peeling the the 20s off for the till staff .
Seriously, I accept that no one should feel pressured to, and it is entirely discretionary, but If you are able to I think you should. If you don’t want to, that’s fine too. I do think it’s a bit stingy of you can afford to and you don’t - others will feel differently and that’s their prerogative.
Completely agree with this. As a student I did every menial job I could..started at the age of 11 serving petrol in Ireland. People would give me a few pennies to clean the windshield for instance. I do not pity servers in a restaurant or in any way look down on them,, They were once me. Now, I can afford any restaurant anywhere if I choose. Whether its an inexpensive or top rated establishment I tip for table service unless it is very poor ( a rare occurrence). I feel no obligation at all, but I am happy to show a little appreciation. .Seriously, I accept that no one should feel pressured to, and it is entirely discretionary, but If you are able to I think you should. If you don’t want to, that’s fine too. I do think it’s a bit stingy of you can afford to and you don’t - others will feel differently and that’s their prerogative.
For those who want to hang onto their wallets, fair enough- not my problem. Further, if I return to a restaurant as I often do, I will generally get a reservation and a good table even on a busy night. Even if I never return, I am very comfortable to show some appreciation.
RDMcG said:
CS Garth said:
If it had become a socially accepted norm to then yes I’d be peeling the the 20s off for the till staff .
Seriously, I accept that no one should feel pressured to, and it is entirely discretionary, but If you are able to I think you should. If you don’t want to, that’s fine too. I do think it’s a bit stingy of you can afford to and you don’t - others will feel differently and that’s their prerogative.
Completely agree with this. As a student I did every menial job I could..started at the age of 11 serving petrol in Ireland. People would give me a few pennies to clean the windshield for instance. I do not pity servers in a restaurant or in any way look down on them,, They were once me. Now, I can afford any restaurant anywhere if I choose. Whether its an inexpensive or top rated establishment I tip for table service unless it is very poor ( a rare occurrence). I feel no obligation at all, but I am happy to show a little appreciation. .Seriously, I accept that no one should feel pressured to, and it is entirely discretionary, but If you are able to I think you should. If you don’t want to, that’s fine too. I do think it’s a bit stingy of you can afford to and you don’t - others will feel differently and that’s their prerogative.
For those who want to hang onto their wallets, fair enough- not my problem. Further, if I return to a restaurant as I often do, I will generally get a reservation and a good table even on a busy night. Even if I never return, I am very comfortable to show some appreciation.
Roman Rhodes said:
You are the one introducing derogatory terms about waiting staff. You seem to see it as some sort of master and slave relationship (typified by your parsimony and attitude)
WTF? 
Can you please stop making st up. Non-tipper : goes and has meal, pays for meal, goes home and gets on with their life.
Tipper : goes and has meal, takes pity on waiter/waitress because they are apparently lower echelons of society, what with 'only' being on £8.21 an hour and not powerfully built with multiple directorships and on 6 figs like themselves, pays for meal and gives waiter/waitress 10-20% of the bill because £8.21 an hour for carrying some plates is a unique skill that no-one else can do so deserves extra
, then goes home and spends all evening worrying about whether their tip was the 'right' amount and goes as far as writing a thread on an internet forum to ask randoms for the correct etiquette 
.Your 'master and slave' analogy makes no sense whatsoever. The non-tippers couldn't give a flying f
k about the wages/lifestyle of the staff working in a restaurant because a) they're there to fill their bellies and have a good time with whatever company they've brought along with them, b) it's none of their business nor concern and c) no-one is forcing them to work there; if they don't like their lot then they are free to resign and seek employment elsewhere just like at any other company.The truth of the matter which none of the tippers will ever admit to (except the one guy up thread) is that they are only tipping because that's what society has deemed to be the thing to do and they don't want to be seen as non-conformists as they're frightened to death of what people will think of them
. It's nothing to do with the attentiveness of the waiter/waitress; that just happens to be a convenient excuse in an attempt to justify why they're giving them a tax-free tenner or twenty just for doing their job. But of course that argument instantly falls apart when it transpires they don't tip staff in Asda, Starbucks or McDonald's for their attentiveness. Why is that? Because society has not said to tip staff in Asda, Starbucks or McDonald's for good attentive service, so they don't and no-one bats an eyelid.What conformists can't tolerate are non-conformists, so resort to calling them sociopaths, tight gits and other such nonsense in an attempt to shut them down.
Edited by Lemming Train on Wednesday 21st August 19:09
Lemming Train said:
Roman Rhodes said:
You are the one introducing derogatory terms about waiting staff. You seem to see it as some sort of master and slave relationship (typified by your parsimony and attitude)
WTF? Can you please stop making st up. Non-tipper : goes and has meal, pays for meal, goes home and gets on with their life.
Tipper : goes and has meal, takes pity on waiter/waitress because they are apparently lower echelons of society, what with 'only' being on £8.21 an hour and not powerfully built with multiple directorships and on 6 figs like themselves, pays for meal and gives waiter/waitress 10-20% of the bill because £8.21 an hour for carrying some plates is a unique skill that no-one else can do so deserves extra
, then goes home and spends all evening worrying about whether their tip was the 'right' amount and goes as far as writing a thread on an internet forum to ask randoms for the correct etiquette .Your 'master and slave' analogy makes no sense whatsoever. The non-tippers couldn't give a flying f
k about the wages/lifestyle of the staff working in a restaurant because a) they're there to fill their bellies and have a good time with whatever company they've brought along with them, b) it's none of their business nor concern and c) no-one is forcing them to work there; if they don't like their lot then they are free to resign and seek employment elsewhere just like at any other company.The truth of the matter which none of the tippers will ever admit to (except the one guy up thread) is that they are only tipping because that's what society has deemed to be the thing to do and they don't want to be seen as non-conformists as they're frightened to death of what people will think of them
. It's nothing to do with the attentiveness of the waiter/waitress; that just happens to be a convenient excuse in an attempt to justify why they're giving them a tax-free tenner or twenty just for doing their job. But of course that argument instantly falls apart when it transpires they don't tip staff in Asda, Starbucks or McDonald's for their attentiveness. Why is that? Because society has not said to tip staff in Asda, Starbucks or McDonald's for good attentive service, so they don't and no-one bats an eyelid.What conformists can't tolerate are non-conformists, so resort to calling them sociopaths, tight gits and other such nonsense in an attempt to shut them down.
Edited by Lemming Train on Wednesday 21st August 19:09
As you're a non-tipper why are you so adamant that you know 'why' others do tip? The rationale/reasoning you have posted is complete b
ks (I'm sure you know this if you're honest). You've said you don't give a flying fk about the waiting staff - fair enough (sounds a bit sociopathic - just saying) and your expectations of them sound very master & slave.Non-conformist?
Gassing Station | Food, Drink & Restaurants | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff