2018 UK Targa/Road Rallying Thread

2018 UK Targa/Road Rallying Thread

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velocemitch

2,557 posts

158 months

Tuesday 10th October 2017
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Devils is Historic only as a format now. But I’d agree with your mate, I think it was the best single day Historic I’ve done too.

Can’t explain the MSA, nobody can!, but it’s possible it’s deliberate to stop people using that particular light as it’s probably considered too bright.

After noise, Lights are the biggest source of complaints from the public, its fair enough when you think about it and a small price to pay to keep the sport alive in a world which on the face of it, it has no place in.

ribiero

335 posts

104 months

Tuesday 10th October 2017
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l354uge said:
Well let's hope the £200 micra is up to the task! nuts
Next jobs are to get her protected, sort the brakes and fit some rally car bits!
Oh yeah, and for my friend and I need to learn how to navigate....time to consult some guides and do some 12 cars


Edited by l354uge on Monday 9th October 18:46
Yes! love this, not enough mad men building sheds into budget competition beasts and gettting stuck in!

Wheres the buildthread? :P

l354uge

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1,526 posts

59 months

Tuesday 10th October 2017
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ribiero said:
Yes! love this, not enough mad men building sheds into budget competition beasts and gettting stuck in!

Wheres the buildthread? :P
Mad is the operative word!

I'm taking pictures as i go along so lets see, dont know what appetite PH has for such a thing

Wingo

135 posts

109 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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Solway Historic and Targa Rally this Sunday. The event will start and finish at Energus Centre Lilly hall west Cumbria. They usually have a test in the car park at the start/finish venue. About a 50/50 split of historic and Targa cars in the approx. 50 car entry list. Not using one of the navs favourite tests at Rowrah Kart track this year apparently. (A previous Solway started and finished at Rowrah where at the finish meal I got served up with the biggest portion of pie everlick……these events are not just about the driving, you’ve got be able to handle at least lunch and dinner as well!!, usually included in the entry fee)
Despite the best efforts of the MSA to kibosh some indoor action, the organisers have gone a bit Ken Block Gymkhana and part of a test runs inside a building as far as I know. driving
The event is run by Wigton MC, they put on two or three type targa events each year. Bit of a hike across for us but we like their rallies and this is our third or fourth Solway on the trot.

Last targa of the year for us.

There is also a Targa running up on Mull this Friday, would have loved to have had a go at that but a 750 mile round trip to get there and back, a clash with the Solway, plus taking the nav out of school for two days made it several steps too far. Would have loved to have competed on it, looks like it might be one off due to the problem with the closed roads stage rally they usually run at this time of year.

Wingo.

velocemitch

2,557 posts

158 months

Wednesday 11th October 2017
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I think Mull will be a one off at this time of year anyway, I was a bit sceptical when they came up with idea after the Stage Rally got killed for this year. But they have pulled it together in a very short space of time and have a high quality entry too. I’m sure it will be a cracker and it could end up spawning another event at a different time of year once the Stage event gets back on track.

Heard about the MSA getting silly about Tests inside or around buildings, but it didn’t seem to affect the tests on the Devils Own, we went right through the Cow Barn at Elm Tree Farm... twice. The Cows seemed fine about it, though I think I saw one mooning us. wink
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Wingo

135 posts

109 months

Wednesday 18th October 2017
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Another cracking Solway. The organisers had to overcome a few issues not of their own making. A lot of work went into the indoor tests.

Fitted eight new spark plugs before the event, maybe should have left some plug leads off, we couldn’t find much grip on most tests but others managed Ok. [8-}]

A wrong test and missed code board on the road in the morning but got going better after lunch. (reasonably rare to have code boards on the road on targas in my experience)


Good fun doing some tests indoors, a watersplash indoors was a first!!

Did I mention it was slippery in places? Had the occasional has a tyre come off a rim at the back sideways moment. [redface)]


A good plateful of food at the finish, results sorted, awards dished out, we got something for 1st in class the winner was in our class and back home well before 8pm.

There are some pictures on the Wigton MC facebook page.

There is a targa or two left this year, (one in east anglia I know of) but that's us done for 2017. As soon as I see some dates out for 2018 I'll post 'em up.

Still doing a few autotests though between now and the end of the year with York MC.

Wingo.

l354uge

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1,526 posts

59 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Micra is coming on slowly, managed to buy a literal shed load of wheels and tyres for £100 today, and oh yeah, another micra for £100 too!

Question: some of the gravel tyres aren't e marked, some say "for rally use" and a few say for "competition use only".. As I understand it tyres don't need e marking to be road legal, so where do I stand in using them for the preston?

velocemitch

2,557 posts

158 months

Thursday 26th October 2017
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Check on the regs for the event, if it doesn’t mention anything about E marking ( I don’t expect it will) then they are fine to use.
At this point in time only in Wales are you not allowed to use Tyres that don’t carry an e Mark.

Next year it may change, but the MSA still haven’t firmed this up yet. It’s a massively controversial issue.

Wingo

135 posts

109 months

Monday 30th October 2017
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Just be aware that some targa events don't allow the use of gravel tyres at all.

Its usually to prevent damage to the test venues surface at the venue owners request.

If it's a mainly loose surface event most competitors use winter (snow) types tyres. Not crazy money at about £45 a tyre for the 15 inch tyres I use and a make you have actually heard of!!

I still use them even on a sealed surface event like the wearside, up at the Nissan factory. Not worth the expense of a different set of "sealed surface" tyres plus it means I can finish off a few part worns!!

As above read/check the regs.

It will usually say if gravel tyres are permitted or not.

Wingo.

McSwerve II

288 posts

137 months

Wednesday 1st November 2017
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Anyone else doing the Chelmsford Motor Club event this weekend?

We'll be getting generally lost in the Z3.

l354uge

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1,526 posts

59 months

Wednesday 1st November 2017
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Cheers Wingo, we managed to get 15 tyres, 11 of them with micra steels on on ebay for £100, 5 of them are brand new M+S tyres which look ideal if we can use the gravel tyres, two new maxsport hakka 2 tyres also in there, but look abit aggressive and soft for our uses...

Sadly not doing the bonfire targa this weekend, still haven't got any under body protection or navigation equipment! So we're doing an autosolo at Curborough on the Sunday to give the car a shakedown!

Just over a month until The Preston and all we've done is fit seats and harnesses, fixed the brakes and serviced it. Lots to do!

BlameItOnGT2

38 posts

19 months

Thursday 2nd November 2017
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This sounds absolutely incredible stuff!

Have been wanting to buy an absolute shed for a while to learn car mechanics and always thought that it would be nice to race it somewhere/somehow. This sounds right up my street!

Would definitely be interesting to see all your builds to give guys like me or anyone else interested in getting involved an idea. Certainly sounds to be a very accessible form of motorsport for the every-man on somewhat of a budget.

l354uge

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1,526 posts

59 months

Thursday 2nd November 2017
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BlameItOnGT2 said:
This sounds absolutely incredible stuff!

Have been wanting to buy an absolute shed for a while to learn car mechanics and always thought that it would be nice to race it somewhere/somehow. This sounds right up my street!

Would definitely be interesting to see all your builds to give guys like me or anyone else interested in getting involved an idea. Certainly sounds to be a very accessible form of motorsport for the every-man on somewhat of a budget.
Well I've got a phone with a decent camera now and some actual lighting in the workshop so who knows a build thread might be on its way!

I'm sure others can direct you to existing build threads too.

velocemitch

2,557 posts

158 months

Thursday 2nd November 2017
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BlameItOnGT2 said:
This sounds absolutely incredible stuff!

Have been wanting to buy an absolute shed for a while to learn car mechanics and always thought that it would be nice to race it somewhere/somehow. This sounds right up my street!

Would definitely be interesting to see all your builds to give guys like me or anyone else interested in getting involved an idea. Certainly sounds to be a very accessible form of motorsport for the every-man on somewhat of a budget.
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Going by your profile you are in an ideal area to get involved in Club Motorsport, one thing I would say though is don't come at it from the point of view of the Car. You won't find many 'build threads' as such and you won't find much on Pistonheads either. Facebook is probably a better place to look, but you have to to know which groups to join.

Just to give you an idea of the scale of the various disciplines you could get involved with have a browse around this site.

http://sd34msg.org.uk/

This is a sort of umbrella organisation for Motor Clubs in the area bounded by the OS region of SD34, which is basically Manchester and Lancashire. I'm sure you will find loads of events you could go and help out on and generally get involved with, from that you will quickly realise what you want to do in respect of a Car. Going about it the other way (ie car orientated) you might find you spend a lot of time and money on a Car which is useless to you.

Motorsport as sport is extremely good at hiding itself away for some reason, everybody knows about F1 and WRC, etc hardly anybody knows what is going on just a few miles down the road from them. Or how easy it is to get involved.

Ranger 6

5,996 posts

187 months

Thursday 2nd November 2017
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I have very good memories of road rallies from the early 90s. Especially the Coleman Tyres, starting from Otley cattle market (if I remember rightly?). I navigated in a mini and people often asked how I managed with an OS map (I'm 6' 2" and not small smile )

I think I should look at doing some as my son (14) has done a couple of 'tours' as my navigator on tulips, it would be a good starter for him to get into motorsport and in time maybe into his university motor club.

velocemitch

2,557 posts

158 months

Thursday 2nd November 2017
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Yep Colman Tyres used to start from Otley Cattle Market. We revived it three years ago, used Otley as starting point, we moved it to Thirsk Auction mart this year as the hub of the event is now the ranges up at Catterick. Still a hundred miles or so in the Lanes though.

Navigating on road rallies is a brilliant way to get youngsters involved. go for it you will quickly get hooked again.

BlameItOnGT2

38 posts

19 months

Thursday 2nd November 2017
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velocemitch said:

Going by your profile you are in an ideal area to get involved in Club Motorsport, one thing I would say though is don't come at it from the point of view of the Car. You won't find many 'build threads' as such and you won't find much on Pistonheads either. Facebook is probably a better place to look, but you have to to know which groups to join.

Just to give you an idea of the scale of the various disciplines you could get involved with have a browse around this site.

http://sd34msg.org.uk/

This is a sort of umbrella organisation for Motor Clubs in the area bounded by the OS region of SD34, which is basically Manchester and Lancashire. I'm sure you will find loads of events you could go and help out on and generally get involved with, from that you will quickly realise what you want to do in respect of a Car. Going about it the other way (ie car orientated) you might find you spend a lot of time and money on a Car which is useless to you.

Motorsport as sport is extremely good at hiding itself away for some reason, everybody knows about F1 and WRC, etc hardly anybody knows what is going on just a few miles down the road from them. Or how easy it is to get involved.
I thought that might be the case given the area and the scenic spots/great driving roads. I also know that there may be a CC at a pub 10 minutes down the road.

Might check out that link and see what clubs there are round here, will definitely take the advice and try and get involved with non-driving first to see what it's like!

Ranger 6

5,996 posts

187 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Gratuitous shot....

Sutton Bank - can't remember which event it was smile


fat80b

781 posts

159 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Ranger 6 said:
Gratuitous shot....
Go on then - have one from me as well. Last year's Bonfire Targa.



We were there as a shakedown ahead of a stage rally the following weekend and I out braked myself on knackered tyres. Ended up beached in the grass needing a tow out and getting a test maximum....

Ranger 6

5,996 posts

187 months

Friday 3rd November 2017
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Excellent!! - loving the gaffer taped number laugh