2018 UK Targa/Road Rallying Thread

[thepawbroon]

Hi,

It's been quiet on here for a while......hope you all had a great season.....what are the plans for 2019?

For me - the occasional 12-car and the following are on the cards:

FMDC Bramley Targa - 17th March - should be double entering my Suzuki Ignis with my pal Mo.
Berwick Classic - 4/5th May - either driving the Suzuki, or navigating for my pal Gerry in his Mini Cooper.
Saltire Classic - assuming it runs in November, as 2018 - still to be confirmed.

As for the Mull Targa, I think we will only run one in 2019 if there is no closed-road rally. The Scottish Closed-Road Motorsport Legislation is out for consultation as the moment, timing is tight but it is possible that it's in place on time. That's what the team are planning for, with a back-up plan to pretty much repeat the 2018 Mull Targa format if the closed-road doesn't go ahead.

[gothatway]

velocemitch said:

Not seen it mentioned but arguably the toughest road rally in the country is going on this weekend.
LeJog, organised by HERO, 71 Historics working there way the hard way from Lands End to John o groats.
Just got back from Marshalling in Yoirkshire, just 38 Cars made it through our control at the end the ‘ Emmerdale’ white, about 8 seen to miss it by a few hundred yards, one I believe stuck in a Field having slotted hundred yards too early. Three or four came in wrong direction too.
It’s an event that certainly separates the men from boys!.

Thanks for marshalling ! As I ended up with a medal, I must have seen you - hope I thanked you at the time.

[velocemitch]

I'm sure you did, though many didn't. We had a discussion about that at the control, given that we had four Navigators manning our spot at the end of the little White near Leathley in Yorkshire, we all had different opinions on what to say at controls. I think on the long events like LeJog and RotT many navigators are feeling a bit jaded and forget to thank the Marshals, I always try to remember.
Well done on the finish, it was a tough one.

My plans for next year;

January 16th Ilkley and district 12 Car (I'm CoC)
Jan 19/20 Ryemoor Trophy, night PnB Rally
Feb 23/24 John Robson Rally, night PnB

then all the most northerly rounds of the HRCR championship

I'm Steward on the Ilkley Targa 2nd June.

Rally of the Tests is likely again too, we didn't fall out this year.

Hopefully fit a few Targa's and more night events in as well.

[nickc59]

The 2019 Cotswold Motor Sport Group Targa Road Rally Championship is here!

The Championship Registration was submitted to Motorsport UK on Christmas Eve.

The emphasis for the Championship is to assist Newcomers and Young Drivers to progress from local events to regional Championships and beyond.

Three rounds to count and one of those can be Marshaling/Organising, we want to see greater Marshal support for events.

There’s even a special award for the best Novice on the single venue events, so somebody can come out in a standard car and achieve something.

The best Under 25 Driver and Navigator also have their own Championship awards.

You can find the Championship Registration Form at:
http://www.cmsg.co.uk/CMSGCC%20MemForm%202019.doc


Events:

Round Date: Club: Event Name: Type
1 02/03/19 Bath Festival Rally MV
2 12/05/19 Bath Kemble Targa SV
3 11/08/19 Ross Hatsford Targa SV
4 22/09/19 Devizes Devizes Targa MV
5 26/10/19 Tavern Exmoor Targa MV
6 09/11/19 Salisbury Bustard Targa MV

[l354uge]

No Cotswold Airport targa this year, just the one at Kemble?

[28hodge]

ToC entry in, we had a mare last year on it so hoping we can improve this time. However we may not be in the mini this time round but I'll find out this weekend

[BEP]

You’ve still got my old Mini then ? Hope she’s serving you well, miss the old girl

[velocemitch]

Got our ToC entry in too, entered about 40 minutes after it opened and was allocated place 39!, you have to be quick to get on these early rounds.
Not sure why its the case as although its a good event, I don't think its the best HRCR round.

[28hodge]

Yeah I was similar entered 45mins after it opened and 42 entry, just sent the payment across and renewed the licence. Soon starts adding up in Jan with club memberships motorsport uk licences and the the acu bike racing licenses and memberships. Not to mention the other half is norwegian so needs a ASN to get her license which adds £50 to it.

We did Ilkley jubilee last year when the ToC got cancelled and loved it, then did nothing till the ToC was rescheduled in sept and thought it wasn't as good as Ilkley was. ToC for us is good as its ok to drive to and from in the mini as is ilkley. Though depending how this weekend goes we may have a different car that we can use for the rougher events like Devils own or some targas, we'll see what we find when we go have a look.

[28hodge]

BEP said:

You’ve still got my old Mini then ? Hope she’s serving you well, miss the old girl

Yeah I still have the mini, replacing the outer sills on it as we speak but generally it's been pretty good, and not let us down.

Just looking for something a little newer so I can use the mini on the gentler events and then use something else on rougher events so as to save having to spend a lot of time on maintenance and prep of the mini.

[l354uge]

28hodge said:

Yeah I still have the mini, replacing the outer sills on it as we speak but generally it's been pretty good, and not let us down.

Just looking for something a little newer so I can use the mini on the gentler events and then use something else on rougher events so as to save having to spend a lot of time on maintenance and prep of the mini.

I'd recommend a micra if you want dependable on rougher events. Ours has been bulletproof despite being standard. You'll need to replace sills on that too, though..

[28hodge]

I'd ideally like something that retains the ability to be used in historics so need 1985 or prior cars.

[velocemitch]

28hodge said:

Yeah I was similar entered 45mins after it opened and 42 entry, just sent the payment across and renewed the licence. Soon starts adding up in Jan with club memberships motorsport uk licences and the the acu bike racing licenses and memberships. Not to mention the other half is norwegian so needs a ASN to get her license which adds £50 to it.

We did Ilkley jubilee last year when the ToC got cancelled and loved it, then did nothing till the ToC was rescheduled in sept and thought it wasn't as good as Ilkley was. ToC for us is good as its ok to drive to and from in the mini as is ilkley. Though depending how this weekend goes we may have a different car that we can use for the rougher events like Devils own or some targas, we'll see what we find when we go have a look.

The events vary a little from year to year and I guess it depends what you like out of them. My current number 1 is the Devils Own, but I’m not sure they can keep up the quality for next year as the CoC is standing down.
Next best IMO is the Vale of Clwyd, used to be run by Guy Woodcock and was a bit like a practice event for the Rally of the Tests.
The Jubilee will be good this year, it’s using Catterick Ranges for the first time, probably for some off road regularities, Andy Pullan is in charge of them and having worked with him on the Colman Tyres when we used Catterick for three years, I know how well he can use the place. It’s got to be the best Rally Venue in the North.

[alanwak]

l354uge said:

No Cotswold Airport targa this year, just the one at Kemble?

They are one and the same - the Kemble Targa uses an area which is part of the old airfield, not the active Airport.

[alanwak]

28hodge said:

I'd ideally like something that retains the ability to be used in historics so need 1985 or prior cars.

You just need ti run a pre-1986 Homologated specification, NOT a car Registered before 1st Jan 1986.

[alanwak]

nickc59 said:

The 2019 Cotswold Motor Sport Group Targa Road Rally Championship is here!

The Championship Registration was submitted to Motorsport UK on Christmas Eve.

The emphasis for the Championship is to assist Newcomers and Young Drivers to progress from local events to regional Championships and beyond.

Three rounds to count and one of those can be Marshaling/Organising, we want to see greater Marshal support for events.

There’s even a special award for the best Novice on the single venue events, so somebody can come out in a standard car and achieve something.

The best Under 25 Driver and Navigator also have their own Championship awards.

You can find the Championship Registration Form at:
http://www.cmsg.co.uk/CMSGCC%20MemForm%202019.doc


Events:

Round Date: Club: Event Name: Type
1 02/03/19 Bath Festival Rally MV
2 12/05/19 Bath Kemble Targa SV
3 11/08/19 Ross Hatsford Targa SV
4 22/09/19 Devizes Devizes Targa MV
5 26/10/19 Tavern Exmoor Targa MV
6 09/11/19 Salisbury Bustard Targa MV

Thanks for the promotion Nick.

I've just found this thread. I'm running the CMSG Targa Road Rally Championship so ask away with any questions.

The Championship is focused on Newcomers who can start with the SV events in a predominantly standard car, then progress if they wish. More experienced competitors are also catered for, those who don't want the commitment (or cost) of lots of events. You won't have to join every Club either, immediately saving you money!

Only £10 to enter the Championship plus there will be discounts available from the likes of Rally Preparation Services (RPS) who are supporting the Championship. The Championship is sponsored by BP Motor Body Builders and Engineers.

No brainer if you want to do Targas in the area!

[alanwak]

Norfolkandchance said:

Is there a single set of rules for targa cars? I can't find anything specific in the 2018 blue book. But I know that I have competed in targas a car that would not count as a road rally car (over 1.4 litre engine, for starters). So is it up to individual organising clubs?

It's all in Section R of the Blue Book. A Targa Rally is a Road Rally, in fact it's correct name is "Targa Road Rally". Everything you read under Road Rallies applies to Targas.

You might have been thinking of the old Endurance Road Rally Championship which restricted cars to a max of 1400cc.

[28hodge]

alanwak said:

You just need ti run a pre-1986 Homologated specification, NOT a car Registered before 1st Jan 1986.

To run in the historic road rallies does the car not need to have been manufactured prior to 1st Jan 1986 anymore? I.e. You could enter a 1987 1.6 205gti in the correct spec for the ToC and it would be eligable?.

you may well be right regarding historic cat4 stage rallying but I always thought you had to prove the build date of a early 1986 car to show that it was actually manufactured in 1985?

Is this a change to the blue book this year?

Edited by 28hodge on Saturday 5th January 18:05

[velocemitch]

It is a recent change, maybe last year or this. But no as long as the spec is period correct it can be built after the cut off date.

[Norfolkandchance]

velocemitch said:

It is a recent change, maybe last year or this. But no as long as the spec is period correct it can be built after the cut off date.

Out of interest, could you back-date a later specification car to period correct? By fitting the earlier version of the engine for example? Or does it have to be of the same spec, just younger? And does it just apply to the youngest group or could you move cars to different categories by changing spec?