Spire GT3 RGB Racer

Spire GT3 RGB Racer

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alfie2244

11,292 posts

151 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Yazza54 said:
We don't really have that issue, the motorcycle slipper clutches take care of the back - torque.

As for lines, I suppose it's that fear factor of the chronic understeer having me off if I enter too wide, as these cars do have a tendency to plough on severely in the wet.. but also trying to turn the car in tight means having loads of lock still applied while trying to get out of the corner and wind on the power which is also not remotely favourable.

Edited by Yazza54 on Saturday 3rd August 20:38
IIRC it is called the "Karting Line" and it works on Karts and may be worth trying even if only in practicing.

Yazza54

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16,024 posts

144 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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alfie2244 said:
Yazza54 said:
We don't really have that issue, the motorcycle slipper clutches take care of the back - torque.

As for lines, I suppose it's that fear factor of the chronic understeer having me off if I enter too wide, as these cars do have a tendency to plough on severely in the wet.. but also trying to turn the car in tight means having loads of lock still applied while trying to get out of the corner and wind on the power which is also not remotely favourable.

Edited by Yazza54 on Saturday 3rd August 20:38
IIRC it is called the "Karting Line" and it works on Karts and may be worth trying even if only in practicing.
Indeed it does work on karts, I'm very new to car racing but I raced karts for 10 years. Unfortunately I haven't had an awful lot of wet testing time in the Spire but I'm sure there's plenty of honing I can do, as with everything practice makes perfect, and that's still not something I've had a lot of.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

151 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Yazza54 said:
alfie2244 said:
Yazza54 said:
We don't really have that issue, the motorcycle slipper clutches take care of the back - torque.

As for lines, I suppose it's that fear factor of the chronic understeer having me off if I enter too wide, as these cars do have a tendency to plough on severely in the wet.. but also trying to turn the car in tight means having loads of lock still applied while trying to get out of the corner and wind on the power which is also not remotely favourable.

Edited by Yazza54 on Saturday 3rd August 20:38
IIRC it is called the "Karting Line" and it works on Karts and may be worth trying even if only in practicing.
Indeed it does work on karts, I'm very new to car racing but I raced karts for 10 years. Unfortunately I haven't had an awful lot of wet testing time in the Spire but I'm sure there's plenty of honing I can do, as with everything practice makes perfect, and that's still not something I've had a lot of.
I was bigger than most short circuit karters but that was an advantage in the wet and taking that line in the wet and it served me very well when I went into Long circuit Superkarts......didn't win may races outright but those I did were mostly in the wet...in fact I was often accused of being seen doing a raindance by some of my fellow competitors......keep us updated please driving

Yazza54

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16,024 posts

144 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Live stream link for the weekend

https://youtu.be/CQorNQi0WMI

Our race 1 is at 1.20pm and race 2 on Sunday at 11.35am

Subject to any changes to the time table of course

BertBert

14,771 posts

174 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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A bit late to say, but good luck for the race!

As Silverstone has been resurfaced, the normal racing line is much better than it's been before. Previously you'd have to be way off it to find the grip, but looks much better at the moment. At the Silverstone Classic in the wet everyone looked to be taking the normal line. I wasn't running, but my friend who was confirmed it.

Have fun.

Bert

BertBert

14,771 posts

174 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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Good result in race 1, what happened in race 2?
Bert

Yazza54

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16,024 posts

144 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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I wouldn't say it was a good result, I struggled like hell and ultimately I should have been further up given I was similar pace to my team mates on Friday in testing. I couldn't make any forward progress and could only worry about what was behind me. Went through all my notes and I'd gone too far on the rear rebound causing the back end to lose grip/skip under braking so ended up going back to my session 2 Friday settings for race 2. We did also give it some more front toe out which had the effect of improving turn in as you'd expect but made the rear too snappy.

Was much faster in race 2 but 2 spins and a broken gear lever meant my first dnf.

A few people had accidents and considerable damage after race 2 so I reminded myself that it could have been much worse, it won't always go your way in racing and a bad day is a smashed up car, let's just say I had a frustrating day!

I suspected I would struggle to hold on to 2nd in the championship and ultimately the main reason I was there was because I'd been consistently picking up points rather than being very fast.

I'm still struggling to get to a reasonable level of confidence in the car and in all honesty I'm finding it difficult to enjoy at the moment. I had issues with the slower speed, technical stuff earlier on and now I've traded an improvement there for lack of feel and stability at high speed, all in all I've not yet had a good all round setup and I'm at the end of my tether trying to find it myself. I think ultimately I've got the car setup too soft, whilst I did often complain of understeer in my old car the back end was always stable particularly in high speed corners and I need to get that feeling back. Granted I'm still going faster than I was last year but I'm driving with less confidence and feel for the car which is limiting any further progress.

I have some setup and testing time planned with Tim Gray who has vast experience with the Spire so I'm sure I'll get there... That has to be the main aim for me this year, championship wise it'll be what it'll be. I'm still waiting for that moment where it all clicks and right now I think that'll be a better feeling than anything else.

BertBert

14,771 posts

174 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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Nil desperandum! It's only the first year in the car and there's lots to learn with it. 4th is still a good result even if it's not where you thought it could be. I'd expect Tim Gray might be able to help a bit.

I'm really down in the dumps with my season with 5 DNFs (and unusually, not my fault! in 8 races and a mile off the pace. It feels really rubbish, worse than rubbish. In fact things have gone downhill really for 2 seasons, so time for a big rethink, but this is your thread, not mine biggrin

Hope you make some good setup progress.

Cheers
Bert

Yazza54

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16,024 posts

144 months

Thursday 15th August 2019
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Here's my race 2 video

Positives, I suppose I was much faster than in race 1 and I got back up to 5th from dead last with relative ease.

Negatives, well that would be stating the bleedin' obvious...

https://youtu.be/unsKQjRAxmM

That second spin still makes no sense to me, I'm wondering if the debris from someone's crash the lap before had something to do with it. Either way the snapped gear lever would have put an end to the fun.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

151 months

Thursday 15th August 2019
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That's racing for you....................I did tune in on Saturday but nothing was being shown and I think late lunch as racing delayed - weather or accident? Unfortunately I had to go out so never did get to see your race...chin up there's always the next race driving

Yazza54

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16,024 posts

144 months

Thursday 15th August 2019
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Bit of both I think, the live streams can still be watched though, albeit not live obviously lol we ended up getting out around an hour late

Yazza54

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16,024 posts

144 months

Friday 12th June 2020
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Revised 2020 calendar, can't wait


zeeshan7775

3 posts

12 months

Saturday 13th June 2020
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nice car

BertBert

14,771 posts

174 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Saw your thread come back up and read what I wrote. Just goes to show... Shortly after I wrote that, I had one of my best racing weekends ever at the oulton park gold cup. We found and fixed the handling issue and the car held together! 3 podiums out of 4 races!

Truly the ups and downs of motor racing!

Good luck this season!
Bert

BertBert said:
Nil desperandum! It's only the first year in the car and there's lots to learn with it. 4th is still a good result even if it's not where you thought it could be. I'd expect Tim Gray might be able to help a bit.

I'm really down in the dumps with my season with 5 DNFs (and unusually, not my fault! in 8 races and a mile off the pace. It feels really rubbish, worse than rubbish. In fact things have gone downhill really for 2 seasons, so time for a big rethink, but this is your thread, not mine biggrin

Hope you make some good setup progress.

Cheers
Bert

Yazza54

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16,024 posts

144 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Nice one mate, do you have a thread on your racing I can have a nosey at?

Cheers, hoping I have some similar luck!!

BertBert

14,771 posts

174 months

Sunday 14th June 2020
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Sadly, I've not documented much!
Some footage on youtube...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc7vTx0nmEE&t=16s

Yazza54

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16,024 posts

144 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Had a good day today

Pole position, first ever second place annnnnd first ever win!


Turn7

19,653 posts

184 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Good work!

Alex@POD

5,356 posts

178 months

Saturday 18th July 2020
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Well done!

BertBert

14,771 posts

174 months

Sunday 19th July 2020
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Nice one!