2020 UK Targa/Road Rallying Thread
Discussion
HRCR are running one as well.
I completed leg 1 last night, the problem I find with table tops is they inevitable resort to cryptic stuff, which doesn’t always have anything to do with navigation.
Haven’t seen the results of the HRCR one, but I bet I got the odd fail, for not quite understanding the questions!.
I completed leg 1 last night, the problem I find with table tops is they inevitable resort to cryptic stuff, which doesn’t always have anything to do with navigation.
Haven’t seen the results of the HRCR one, but I bet I got the odd fail, for not quite understanding the questions!.
Plenty of virtual stuff going on, Virtual scatters and no end of sim rallies, rallycross and racing. I dont do the sim stuff, that's a youngsters game but some pretty serious real drivers and sim racers are taking on all and sundry. Junior is doing a few championships and one off events.
Done two virtual scatters now, they are good fun, combination of old school plotting and use of online mapping/streetview.
Watched the virtual world rallycross at the weekend, it was pretty good, and lots of the top real drivers taking part.
Done two virtual scatters now, they are good fun, combination of old school plotting and use of online mapping/streetview.
Watched the virtual world rallycross at the weekend, it was pretty good, and lots of the top real drivers taking part.
So a thread resurrection we are finally getting going again with a few road events having taken place now.
My first one since March comes up on Sunday, Cltheroe and A&P’s Pennine Targa. 90 Car field based at Gisburn fifteen Tests spread around the Lancashire Yorkshire border.
Not expecting miracles it’s my drivers first go at Targa, having only done Road Rallies ( and Hillclimbs) up to now. I think he might be allergic to Cones!
Covid precautions are in place and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
My first one since March comes up on Sunday, Cltheroe and A&P’s Pennine Targa. 90 Car field based at Gisburn fifteen Tests spread around the Lancashire Yorkshire border.
Not expecting miracles it’s my drivers first go at Targa, having only done Road Rallies ( and Hillclimbs) up to now. I think he might be allergic to Cones!
Covid precautions are in place and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
velocemitch said:
So a thread resurrection we are finally getting going again with a few road events having taken place now.
My first one since March comes up on Sunday, Cltheroe and A&P’s Pennine Targa. 90 Car field based at Gisburn fifteen Tests spread around the Lancashire Yorkshire border.
Not expecting miracles it’s my drivers first go at Targa, having only done Road Rallies ( and Hillclimbs) up to now. I think he might be allergic to Cones!
Covid precautions are in place and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Better he's allergic to cones rather than attracted to them! How did it go?My first one since March comes up on Sunday, Cltheroe and A&P’s Pennine Targa. 90 Car field based at Gisburn fifteen Tests spread around the Lancashire Yorkshire border.
Not expecting miracles it’s my drivers first go at Targa, having only done Road Rallies ( and Hillclimbs) up to now. I think he might be allergic to Cones!
Covid precautions are in place and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
I should be competing on a 12 Car Rally this Friday in the Ignis, we are 1st reserve at the moment but usually people drop out.
thepawbroon said:
velocemitch said:
So a thread resurrection we are finally getting going again with a few road events having taken place now.
My first one since March comes up on Sunday, Cltheroe and A&P’s Pennine Targa. 90 Car field based at Gisburn fifteen Tests spread around the Lancashire Yorkshire border.
Not expecting miracles it’s my drivers first go at Targa, having only done Road Rallies ( and Hillclimbs) up to now. I think he might be allergic to Cones!
Covid precautions are in place and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
Better he's allergic to cones rather than attracted to them! How did it go?My first one since March comes up on Sunday, Cltheroe and A&P’s Pennine Targa. 90 Car field based at Gisburn fifteen Tests spread around the Lancashire Yorkshire border.
Not expecting miracles it’s my drivers first go at Targa, having only done Road Rallies ( and Hillclimbs) up to now. I think he might be allergic to Cones!
Covid precautions are in place and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
I should be competing on a 12 Car Rally this Friday in the Ignis, we are 1st reserve at the moment but usually people drop out.
Lost second gear on the third test, probably stripped the splines on the shaft, a known weak spot in the Vauxhall box.
Clutch starting playing up next, could only use 1st and 3rd, but sometimes couldn't engage 1st without stopping and turning off the engine.
Struggled through to lunch and thought we had the clutch fixed, but it broke again a couple of miles later.
Got half way over the Trough of Bowland Road on a transport section when it stopped and wouldn't start!. no phone signal, ended up getting a tow from a mate in an MX5, they cheerfully told us they had lost the back brakes on a test just before lunch, so if we could do the braking it would be kind of us!! If you have ever driven over the Trough you will realise how much fun that was!
The MX5 took us to Slaidburn and dropped us off at the pub, so we could get a signal on the WIFI (still no phone reception)
Decided we were going no further on the event, so had a cracking Pint of the local bitter and couple of packets of crisps.
Then Steve remembered the car had done this before, last time the fuel pipe had come loose off the pump which is inside the fuel tank. Took the top of the tank and after a bit of fiddling connected it up and it started again... wayhay... !!
So we set off to the finish (stopped again once and had to repeat the process with the fuel pipe!!) arrived at the finish within our OTL time, so we did the last two tests for fun.
Got a finish, but 6 fails for missing 3 tests, the system shows a fail for each control and there was a start and a finish control at each!!
Apart from all that it went very well.... !!
The covid stuff made for an interesting experience, but wass well organised. All the paperwork was done upfront, the competitor briefing was done by zoom on thursday evening.
Scrutineering was very brief, they were only allowed 1 minute a car anyway and with 90 cars it was all a bit tight for time.
The timing worked well with the finish clocks clearly displayed on big LED screens at each test. So having known your start time it was easy to see your finish time and understand what the marshal was giving you. the navigators time card was only for reference, the time was sent straight to the results crew (Rallies.info) who were back at home. Results were available all day on the internet for those for whome it mattered... with our event it didn't really!!
But we both enjoyed it and will be back out on the York Targa in October.
Been looking into Targa's for a while now, but with no access to a trailer or a tow car be interested to know how many drive to and from events in their competition cars.
I guess its a case of, if you breakdown on a test, get it pushed to the side of the public highway and try and make the car look like its not been through a field?
I guess its a case of, if you breakdown on a test, get it pushed to the side of the public highway and try and make the car look like its not been through a field?
paulstarrally said:
Been looking into Targa's for a while now, but with no access to a trailer or a tow car be interested to know how many drive to and from events in their competition cars.
I guess its a case of, if you breakdown on a test, get it pushed to the side of the public highway and try and make the car look like its not been through a field?
We mostly drive to events, both in Targa with my brother and in the Historics. I’d say it’s probably about 50% that use trailers.I guess its a case of, if you breakdown on a test, get it pushed to the side of the public highway and try and make the car look like its not been through a field?
We had exactly that dilemma regards breaking down, do we take the stickers off and ring recover, or beg a lift back to the finish and borrow somebody else’s trailer.
The only time we’ve rung recovery was when the half shaft went on a Mk2 I was in, we limped over to a pub carpark, had a meal and rung recovery. The guy was OK, in fact he was more than OK when we gave him a rally plate to stick inside his cab.
Back in the day when The RAC was the UK motor sport body, there policy was to recover rally cars if you were a member.
paulstarrally said:
Been looking into Targa's for a while now, but with no access to a trailer or a tow car be interested to know how many drive to and from events in their competition cars.
I guess its a case of, if you breakdown on a test, get it pushed to the side of the public highway and try and make the car look like its not been through a field?
I drive to and from events. For road rallies it isn't so bad but for targa events, some of which can be a bit harder on the car, I do find myself driving with getting home in mind sometimes which can take the edge off it a bit. But usually after a moment brings me back to reality. I guess its a case of, if you breakdown on a test, get it pushed to the side of the public highway and try and make the car look like its not been through a field?
I do like the romanticism of driving to the event, competing and then driving home though. Like in the olden days when it was all black and white.
Had a gearbox go pop on the Bath Festival this year and ended up stranded in a forest in the middle of nowhere in the dark. Was a bit stressy at the time but got it figured out in the end. In hindsight I should have called it quits when the mount broke but it was part of the adventure and a story to tell.
There are still a couple of recovery companies who will scoop you up when it goes wrong which would be piece of mind to allow you to push on a bit.
TLDR; don't overthink it, just get involved and figure it out if (when) you need to.
Yes, we drive to and from targas in a historic class car. Sometimes 500 plus miles in a weekend. Drive to near the start venue the night before, do the event then drive home straight afterwards.
We've had a few minor problems but never had to resort to the use of the breakdown cover touch wood. It's all in the preparation and knowing the car you are using to life the parts you know wear out or know the warning signs before they break or wear out. We don't just potter around either, quite often we come home with a class pot. Not done any targas at all this year though.
Depending where you are in the country you might have plenty of local events so you have less worry about getting home if you have a big problem.
We've had a few minor problems but never had to resort to the use of the breakdown cover touch wood. It's all in the preparation and knowing the car you are using to life the parts you know wear out or know the warning signs before they break or wear out. We don't just potter around either, quite often we come home with a class pot. Not done any targas at all this year though.
Depending where you are in the country you might have plenty of local events so you have less worry about getting home if you have a big problem.
Ranger 6 said:
How did you get on?
A friend did it with his son and enjoyed it.
Ok, a few too many stumbles over instructions. My brother is still learning the art of driving these tests and listening to what I’m saying. He’s more used to Hillclimbs where he knows exactly where he’s going and what he’s going to find when he gets there. Targa is the polar opposite in that respect!. Tests were a bit fiddly too we both prefer a more open layout, but it’s what I expect from York, it’s how they do it.A friend did it with his son and enjoyed it.
Great event though, they coped Really well with the Covid rules.
Yep, events covering long road distances across areas under local restrictions and using Forests, or MOD land for test sites are not looking great.
A few organisers are ploughing on with organising events but the ways things are going I think we have to be prepared for events to be cancelled at pretty short notice.
A few organisers are ploughing on with organising events but the ways things are going I think we have to be prepared for events to be cancelled at pretty short notice.
Bit of 12 car action last night. Did one of Malton MC’s 12 cars, not done one of theirs before and really enjoyed it, despite cocking up the Nav twice. Proper miniature night event with plot and bash and no sections likely to be cleaned. Was out with a guy in his newly completed Fiesta ST, lovely piece of kit.
This weekend should see me and brother Steve up in Cumbria for the Devils Lockdown 2. Looks like we might escape going in to tier 3 before then.
This weekend should see me and brother Steve up in Cumbria for the Devils Lockdown 2. Looks like we might escape going in to tier 3 before then.
Well we did escape being put in tier 3, only to hear of the full lockdown on the way back from the event!.
But at least we got a day full of hectic Rallying on Saturday the 31'st on The Devils Lockdown 2. As I expected it was excellent, based in Cockermouth and centred on the Broughton Moor military base an old ammunition store which as been out of use for decades and never used for motorsport before. Those of you have visited places like Caerwent, Ditton Priors or Swynerrton, will know what these places are like.
We got started with a superb 5 and quarter mile regularity which covered a good section of the camp, and looped back on itself. 7 controls all timed at 30MPH, apart from the first two we couldn't clean them so it we were just going as hard as we could, bouncing and sliding around on the broken tarmac, gravel and occasionally Grass, usually where we had run out of road!. We got extremely close to a Tree at one point and ended up going on the wrong side of it!!. Thise of you who have never done an offroad regularity like this don't know what you are missing, for me its one of the best formats for rallying, being a true test of driver, navigator and car.
Moving down to Workington we did a short test which included a circle around a very slippy tarmac speedway track (basically a big circle about 200 yards in diameter. Then over to Maryport for a bit of cone dodging. or squashing in our case.
Lunch break at Cockermouth and and back again to Broughton Moor for four fast and slippy tests covering much of the regularity route. Over to the Speedway and the Coney test again and back for a Coffee break at Cockermouth.
At least it would have been a Coffee break, but for us it was scramble about under the car to try and get the last of the remaining bolts in the bottom engine mounting tightened up, the other three had dropped completely out. We failed to do this so were somewhat hampered from then on.
Back at Broughton Moor Steve was gingerly picking our way down the access road to the next test when he managed to drop us in a ditch!!. Fortunately the next car pulled us out, but not before I'd covered myself in mud!.
Three more tests at Broughton Moor taken at about 75% by us to preserve the car, then a final scoot around the Speedway track and back to the finish. By this time engine was rested on the sumpguard with no mounting attached on the right hand side.
All things considered we were pretty happy though with 26'th out of a strong 60 car field on only Steve's second Targa.
Superb event and great way to finish a somewhat truncated 2020... At least I expect that's it now, but we shall see.
But at least we got a day full of hectic Rallying on Saturday the 31'st on The Devils Lockdown 2. As I expected it was excellent, based in Cockermouth and centred on the Broughton Moor military base an old ammunition store which as been out of use for decades and never used for motorsport before. Those of you have visited places like Caerwent, Ditton Priors or Swynerrton, will know what these places are like.
We got started with a superb 5 and quarter mile regularity which covered a good section of the camp, and looped back on itself. 7 controls all timed at 30MPH, apart from the first two we couldn't clean them so it we were just going as hard as we could, bouncing and sliding around on the broken tarmac, gravel and occasionally Grass, usually where we had run out of road!. We got extremely close to a Tree at one point and ended up going on the wrong side of it!!. Thise of you who have never done an offroad regularity like this don't know what you are missing, for me its one of the best formats for rallying, being a true test of driver, navigator and car.
Moving down to Workington we did a short test which included a circle around a very slippy tarmac speedway track (basically a big circle about 200 yards in diameter. Then over to Maryport for a bit of cone dodging. or squashing in our case.
Lunch break at Cockermouth and and back again to Broughton Moor for four fast and slippy tests covering much of the regularity route. Over to the Speedway and the Coney test again and back for a Coffee break at Cockermouth.
At least it would have been a Coffee break, but for us it was scramble about under the car to try and get the last of the remaining bolts in the bottom engine mounting tightened up, the other three had dropped completely out. We failed to do this so were somewhat hampered from then on.
Back at Broughton Moor Steve was gingerly picking our way down the access road to the next test when he managed to drop us in a ditch!!. Fortunately the next car pulled us out, but not before I'd covered myself in mud!.
Three more tests at Broughton Moor taken at about 75% by us to preserve the car, then a final scoot around the Speedway track and back to the finish. By this time engine was rested on the sumpguard with no mounting attached on the right hand side.
All things considered we were pretty happy though with 26'th out of a strong 60 car field on only Steve's second Targa.
Superb event and great way to finish a somewhat truncated 2020... At least I expect that's it now, but we shall see.
Edited by velocemitch on Monday 2nd November 17:26
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