More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t.

More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t.

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TonyRPH

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10,050 posts

117 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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A mains filter with a £1500 starting bid.

It must be good, it has a "liquid air module" and 2 "i.P.F." modules (I'm thinking that should possibly be "LPF" but I may be wrong)


dundarach

2,053 posts

177 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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it's a lot, however peanuts to some serious hifi...

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/how-impo...

probedb

821 posts

168 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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Well it's these sort of people that think moving a file to a different location on a hard drive will change the sound.

Countdown

25,190 posts

145 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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yikes

Are some people mental?

IforB

6,606 posts

178 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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I'd love to buy that and open it up and see what a "liquid ADR module" actually contains. I'm guessing mostly air.

Whilst I do think that there is some stuff marked by cynics as nonsense that does actually work, this is not one of them!

beeblebrox

184 posts

107 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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I'm disappointed that the cables inside the unit appear to be insulated with cheap plastic instead of pure fine silk carefully woven from angel pubes. This truly adds a new dimension to the listening experience, IMHO.

Gargamel

12,210 posts

210 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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beeblebrox said:
I'm disappointed that the cables inside the unit appear to be insulated with cheap plastic instead of pure fine silk carefully woven from angel pubes. This truly adds a new dimension to the listening experience, IMHO.
For another £10,199 I can source Archangel Pubes if sir would like to step into the booth and hear the difference....

Adrian W

11,358 posts

177 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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TonyRPH said:
A mains filter with a £1500 starting bid.

It must be good, it has a "liquid air module" and 2 "i.P.F." modules (I'm thinking that should possibly be "LPF" but I may be wrong)

It could be good value some LPF's cost thousands, never been convinced about the application though, but if you ever go in a proper high end demo room they always have them.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

194 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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TonyRPH said:
A mains filter with a £1500 starting bid.

It must be good, it has a "liquid air module" and 2 "i.P.F." modules (I'm thinking that should possibly be "LPF" but I may be wrong)

I note it doesn't include power cords - may I suggest these: http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Pow... (you need two, of course).

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

10,050 posts

117 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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Deva Link said:
I note it doesn't include power cords - may I suggest these: http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Pow... (you need two, of course).
I might as well take four please.

hehe

tvrforever

3,172 posts

214 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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from the manufacturer's web site http://www.audio-magic.com/Prod-Oracle.html

-- All parts are cryo treated and select parts are treated with our famous MST treatment.
-- Quantum Physics passive noise disrupters -- Designed to absorb EMI better than any passive device on the market.
-- 4 - QP Soft Drive Pulse Generators -- Designed to eliminate EMI and RF giving the music a deep rich soundfield.
-- 1 - QP high precision pulse generator -- Designed to eliminate EMI and RF giving the music extreme detail and dynamics.
-- 2 stage precision mega filter II -- Designed to eliminate EMI and RF.
-- 6 Leviton hospital grade duplex's.
-- Custom sonic craft capacitors.


Am I the only one thinking somebody has been watching too much "Back to the future"??? FFS marketeering...

Deva Link

26,934 posts

194 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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TonyRPH said:
I might as well take four please.

hehe
Get the 5 metre ones - longer is better. wink

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

10,050 posts

117 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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probedb said:
Well it's these sort of people that think moving a file to a different location on a hard drive will change the sound.
I once got into a huge debate on another forum regarding this.

The poster was claiming there were differences in sound between an external USB disk, internal disk, internal SSD and USB dongle.

Honestly...

And all this over a LAN too.

Not to mention the drivel I've read about switches and routers making the sound different, along with someone suggesting that placing a hub directly behind their Squeezebox improved the sound too.

And not to laugh at the suggestions that internet radio also sounded better like this.

The same internet radio data that has just traversed several thousand miles of cable and half a dozen routers...


probedb

821 posts

168 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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TonyRPH said:
Not to mention the drivel I've read about switches and routers making the sound different, along with someone suggesting that placing a hub directly behind their Squeezebox improved the sound too.
The 'Audiophiles' forum on the Slim Devices website is hilarious at times.

For me it's the same as religion, I have no problem with people believing this, but pushing it around as if it's fact annoys me.

Adrian W

11,358 posts

177 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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I'm a bit confused by this thread, usually when we discuss snake oil some of us has tried the products and are talking from experience, has anyone on here actually tried one of these?

tvrforever

3,172 posts

214 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Adrian W said:
I'm a bit confused by this thread, usually when we discuss snake oil some of us has tried the products and are talking from experience, has anyone on here actually tried one of these?
Admittedly no I haven't - but for some reason I appear a little short of "Quantum Physics passive noise disrupters" and "Leviton hospital grade duplex's" right now. Let me phone the nearest si-fi toy shop... wink

Bullett

9,211 posts

133 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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I was trying to find out what Liquid air was, the answer appears to be 'marketing' at least in the Audio world. I would have thought that here (UK) the power supply is pretty good and consistent and that top end kit already has pretty good power regulators.

Anyway, I found this - http://www.audio-magic.com/Prod-SpeakerClarifier.h...

toxicnerve

22,249 posts

126 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Can someone explain to me what power conditioners actually do (or are supposed to do) that equate to better sound quality?

I understand the need for surge protectors/conditioners etc to protect equipment from spikes/back EMF from inductive loads etc but how does it relate to sound quality?

Also, most kit actually has DC internals doesn't it? So one assumes there's a bridge rectifier/smoothing caps that would resolve any minor fluctuations anyway...


Cheib

17,544 posts

124 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Deva Link said:
I note it doesn't include power cords - may I suggest these: http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Pow... (you need two, of course).
Blimey!

I see they have a 1m HDMI cable for a mere £270! Rude not to

http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20Leif%20Blu...

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

10,050 posts

117 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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tvrforever said:
Adrian W said:
I'm a bit confused by this thread, usually when we discuss snake oil some of us has tried the products and are talking from experience, has anyone on here actually tried one of these?
Admittedly no I haven't - but for some reason I appear a little short of "Quantum Physics passive noise disrupters" and "Leviton hospital grade duplex's" right now. Let me phone the nearest si-fi toy shop... wink
And neither have I (well not a product at this level) - however the talk of "Quantum Physics passive noise disrupters" and "Leviton hospital grade duplex's" puts me off too.

As someone who has been involved with electronics for some 35 years, I do know that power filtering can be beneficial to remove 'clicks' from electrically noisy appliances (rare these days).

But statements like: "imaging improved" and "wider sound stage" and "deeper bass" frustrate me, as I've yet to hear any of these differences with basic power filtering.

Your electricity supply would have to be appallingly noisy - i.e. you would be hearing constant clicks and pops through your speakers, for these to be of any real benefit - and even then they would only reduce noise from the mains supply, I cannot see how they would improve "imaging" / "sound stage" / "bass" etc.

Also - if your power is subject to brownouts (severe voltage fluctuations) these are not going to help either.

I've also read about people claiming that a computer UPS cleans up the sound etc. etc.

However, most computer UPS devices distort the 50Hz waveform quite significantly at even a relatively small load - so that will usually be worse than the mains.

It's all just snake oil.

The only devices I would trust are (proper) AC regenerators, and even then these are only necessary in extreme cases.