More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t.

More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t.

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bristolracer

3,841 posts

107 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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So if you have wired yourself into the earth on your ring main, and something else on the ring main fries itself, or your house gets a tickle of lightning......

Zirconia

36,010 posts

242 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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untakenname said:
Wonder if the audio sounds better if you're resting on top of one of these?




Popped up on my feed just now as one of my friends was enquiring about it, he's the type to spend hundreds of speaker cable and then listen to spotify through it.
Just looked through the T+C, section 13, not exactly sure but does it say in effect buyer beware? Illegal in the UK I thought for a company seeing as they will be covered by UK and EU laws whether they like it or not or do I have I got that wrong? It relates to stuff going wrong but I am not sure if it means the process or items, strange wording. Wonder where it was copied from.

Then goes on to mention New York State laws or something (copied from....)

But no. Wouldn't want to lie on a anti zap mat.

TVR Tommy

596 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Having a chuckle at Bybee products on there website.

The UK seller of Bybee products has even more range of these wondrous gadgets. 13amp fuse @ £76.49 reduced from £89.99... bargain.
Hold on a minute that's the cheap one... £130 gets you a 13a blue fuse

https://audiocomav.com/mains-connection/

There are some pretty inventive/creative ways to get money out of stupid people.

Edited by TVR Tommy on Wednesday 4th December 12:49

mgv8

1,463 posts

229 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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TVR Tommy said:
Having a chuckle at Bybee products on there website.

The UK seller of Bybee products has even more range of these wondrous gadgets. 13amp fuse @ £76.49 reduced from £89.99... bargain.
Hold on a minute that's the cheap one... £130 gets you a 13a blue fuse

https://audiocomav.com/mains-connection/

There are some pretty inventive/creative ways to get money out of stupid people.

Edited by TVR Tommy on Wednesday 4th December 12:49
Just out of interest have you go a hi-end system and have your tried changing the fuse to see if the is an effect?

TonyRPH

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10,456 posts

126 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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mgv8 said:
TVR Tommy said:
Having a chuckle at Bybee products on there website.

The UK seller of Bybee products has even more range of these wondrous gadgets. 13amp fuse @ £76.49 reduced from £89.99... bargain.
Hold on a minute that's the cheap one... £130 gets you a 13a blue fuse

https://audiocomav.com/mains-connection/

There are some pretty inventive/creative ways to get money out of stupid people.

Edited by TVR Tommy on Wednesday 4th December 12:49
Just out of interest have you go a hi-end system and have your tried changing the fuse to see if the is an effect?
These fuse discussions amuse me.

I've often asked the question; Have you tried replacing the fuse with a wire link?

Invariably, the answer is that the audiophile fuse sounds better than a wire link, which is utterly nonsensical.

If a fuse was having a detrimental affect on the sound, a wire link would remove any effect added by the fuse.

An audiophile fuse cannot add anything that isn't there, and simply cannot improve over a standard fuse.

It's simple science.



TVR Tommy

596 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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mgv8 said:
Just out of interest have you go a hi-end system and have your tried changing the fuse to see if the is an effect?
No can't say my audio system is very hi-end. Why?

Zirconia

36,010 posts

242 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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And the plug top fuse is still clipped in (two pre formed forks or bent metal to grip etc.). That has screws holding the stranded mains cable in by crushing it, that is plugged into a receptacle that has contacts that slide along the pin, that socket on a bit of twin and earth from the normally priced cable shop, that goes through another normally priced safety device then to the normally priced metering and then the public mains distribution through more stuff planted in the ground or hanging from your wall. The job of the fuse remains the same.

Same socket probably on a ring that feed the bread maker and TV etc. and inductive loads appearing.

TEKNOPUG

14,632 posts

163 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Zirconia said:
And the plug top fuse is still clipped in (two pre formed forks or bent metal to grip etc.). That has screws holding the stranded mains cable in by crushing it, that is plugged into a receptacle that has contacts that slide along the pin, that socket on a bit of twin and earth from the normally priced cable shop, that goes through another normally priced safety device then to the normally priced metering and then the public mains distribution through more stuff planted in the ground or hanging from your wall. The job of the fuse remains the same.

Same socket probably on a ring that feed the bread maker and TV etc. and inductive loads appearing.
Which is why High fidelity magnetic speaker cable adapters are crucial to the transparency of any high end audophile aparatus....


https://audiocomav.com/high-fidelity-magnetic-spea...

TVR Tommy

596 posts

183 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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TEKNOPUG said:
Which is why High fidelity magnetic speaker cable adapters are crucial to the transparency of any high end audophile aparatus....


https://audiocomav.com/high-fidelity-magnetic-spea...
Why stop there

You need multiple AC enhancer plugs

Also these look like a must have from Bybee

BYBEE – ACTIVE ROOM NEUTRALIZERS (ARNs)

Had to laugh at this bit in the blurb
"EU users can use a plug adapter on the units without problems, as the units do not draw a current"

The planks of wood taped to distribution board on the ebay ad was side splitting.

I mean really... what a load of old bks. I understand the cost (to a degee) of good hifi units. all this crap is relieving idiots from there money.




Edited by TVR Tommy on Wednesday 4th December 22:15

ian996

260 posts

69 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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TonyRPH said:
It's simple science.
Simple science - the bedrock of this thread. The trouble is, science isn't really that simple.

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

10,456 posts

126 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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ian996 said:
TonyRPH said:
It's simple science.
Simple science - the bedrock of this thread. The trouble is, science isn't really that simple.
True.

However where fuses are concerned, some people believe that an audiophile fuse does actually infuse* some kind of magic to their systems, when the reality is, it cannot possibly make any difference.

So in this case, it truly is simple science. One piece of wire versus another.

  • no pun intended.

Heres Johnny

5,830 posts

82 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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Found this pontential fuse replacement - do you think the shape indicates the correct orientation for optimal sound?




karma mechanic

660 posts

80 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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Heres Johnny said:
Found this pontential fuse replacement - do you think the shape indicates the correct orientation for optimal sound?

Either way round that will cause an ionic conflict that will completely degrade the sound, you need the gold-plated one with the crystal core.

Zirconia

36,010 posts

242 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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Heres Johnny said:
Found this pontential fuse replacement - do you think the shape indicates the correct orientation for optimal sound?

Had one of them in the mains into the house fuse box on the rental we were taking up. Flipping leccy board were blaming me. Previous tenant was cut off, main big fuse removed and he put a nail in to get leccy back. It was back in the 80's. They needed to read the meter for new tenants and found the nail.

Which reminds me, I still have a card if fuse wire somewhere, not unobtanium though. But aged, must be worth some now after all that dark matter in the universe has been interacting with it.

mgv8

1,463 posts

229 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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I agree that the cable can only take power away not add anything. The question is, does a thin fuse wire take away? What would that effect be?
Also yes running a single cable from distribution box all the way to amp would remove the problem.

ruggedscotty

2,193 posts

167 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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Trouble is they have creative writers that like to write prose that appeals to the folks that like to think they are techno savvy..

All mains leads only have to do one thing, carry power to the item. Your board customer terminals are the point that you have no control over, form that point backward its a lottery. all sorts can cause an effect or influence the condition of the mains that enters your property.

So id say to be honest if you had something that conditioned the mains then that would be an improvement, how often have you had interference, clicks outages and all sorts coming through to the hi-fi. its like hospitals and data centres they need good power. And they suffer if run from normal mains so they have a power conditioner in the form of a UPS installed for the critical equipment. input can be as bad and as dirty as you want but the output will be 230v 50hz distortion free. micro blips brown outs and frequency deviations all taken care off.

your equipment should then be on a dedicated circuit supplied from the conditioner and nothing else supplied from that. stout cables and good solid connections is what you want, absolutely no opportunity for any loose connections.

way too much in here that would make an electrician smile. some of the prices being charged and half baked ideas being touted... like this could have an effect on your system but lo and behold we have this superdooper solution that will answer your problems and make you sound like a genuine audiophile that you strive to be, this oxygen free mono molecule dry cast copper phased low inductance transconductor with woven silk free electron retarding encapsulated single strand conductors terminated to zero newton loaded pre stressed dielectric clamps.....

TonyRPH

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10,456 posts

126 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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mgv8 said:
I agree that the cable can only take power away not add anything. The question is, does a thin fuse wire take away?
Worst case is there would be a tiny voltage drop across the fuse.

mgv8 said:
What would that effect be?
Nothing to speak of.

A 70w per channel amplifier running at absolute maximum power (both channels flat out) will consume around 550w (depending on topology, power supply etc.) but 550w is a fairly realistic figure.

This equates to approx 2.3 amps at 240v AC.

The (cold) resistance of a typical 2.5 amp fuse is around 31 milliohms.

At full current (if the fuse could pass it for long enough) and allowing for increases in resistance due to fuse heating - the voltage drop across the fuse would be a few millivolts at most.

Therefore, the fuse will not cause any ill effects (except when it blows lol).

mgv8 said:
Also yes running a single cable from distribution box all the way to amp would remove the problem.
What problem? Voltage drop?

In the UK, the ring main is rated at 32 amps (IIRC) so even the amplifier mentioned above would not remotely tax the mains connection.

Depending on what else is connected to the same ring main, it's remotely possible that there may be some noise induced on the ring.

But any competently designed piece of equipment will be immune to all but the largest of mains borne spikes.

For example, I have a soldering iron which when plugged into an adjacent socket to my sub woofer, causes a loud pop when switched off, but my HiFi (on the same ring) remains silent.

Said soldering iron has no effect on my computer when switched (although a spike is visible if I monitor the mains) - again - competent power supply design wins the day.





dudleybloke

15,806 posts

144 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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I tried a high-end transparent aluminium nanotube fuse and it added an earthy tibre that reminded me of a chesterfield suite and cigars.

Zirconia

36,010 posts

242 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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Our extractor fan used to get a bang through the stereo when we turned it on. Replaced fan with a newer model, same type, all good, but the extractor fan LED light will dim ever so perceptibly when I run the coffee grinder or food blender, never used to, but old bulbs were incandescent.

WindyCommon

2,271 posts

197 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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Zirconia said:
... flipping leccy board were blaming me...
Surely the ultimate council/boomer phrase..?