More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t

More 'Audiophile' bullsh*t

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TonyRPH

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12,962 posts

167 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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Nomme de Plum said:
Mine was the Lesson AC1 and AP3. It was Boothroyd Stuart stuff before they formed Meridian.
Lecson I think - not Lesson?

Nomme de Plum

4,178 posts

15 months

Thursday 13th April 2023
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TonyRPH said:
Lecson I think - not Lesson?
Yes you are correct. Should have switched off the spell thingy.

I never use them now but just can't bring myself to part with them Original boxes and test certificates too.

The design is very much of their time.

TEKNOPUG

18,842 posts

204 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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robinessex

11,046 posts

180 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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TEKNOPUG said:
Oh no, I've just sent £20,000 for a new mains lead, £30,000 on speaker cables, and £500 on Loudspeacer ground spikes, and still my HI-Fi isn't functioning as good as it could!! Looks as if I've got to spend £16,000 to remove the crud from my electric supply now. I'll read this review first, then I'll be well-informed about what I'm missing. https://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/entreq.htm

Semmelweiss

1,590 posts

195 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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TEKNOPUG said:
CheapAudioMan likes 'em beer

TEKNOPUG

18,842 posts

204 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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robinessex said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Oh no, I've just sent £20,000 for a new mains lead, £30,000 on speaker cables, and £500 on Loudspeacer ground spikes, and still my HI-Fi isn't functioning as good as it could!! Looks as if I've got to spend £16,000 to remove the crud from my electric supply now. I'll read this review first, then I'll be well-informed about what I'm missing. https://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/entreq.htm
We don't have Pat Pending on the design, so we can't tell you what's in the box in case someone copies us.....


I'm reliability informed that the box contains crystals....(diamonds I should hope)....

robinessex

11,046 posts

180 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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robinessex said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Oh no, I've just sent £20,000 for a new mains lead, £30,000 on speaker cables, and £500 on Loudspeacer ground spikes, and still my HI-Fi isn't functioning as good as it could!! Looks as if I've got to spend £16,000 to remove the crud from my electric supply now. I'll read this review first, then I'll be well-informed about what I'm missing. https://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/entreq.htm
Meanwhile, getting firmly back on Terra Firma. Just been re-reading High Performance Loudspeakers by Martin Colloms, founder of Monitor Audio. Less than £10 on eBay. When you've finished reading it, with then some knowledge of the inadequacies of loudspeakers, you'll realise that they are about 1000 times more effective in screwing up your Hi-Fi sound than the rest of your system, bar the room you are in.

OutInTheShed

7,355 posts

25 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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robinessex said:
Meanwhile, getting firmly back on Terra Firma. Just been re-reading High Performance Loudspeakers by Martin Colloms, founder of Monitor Audio. Less than £10 on eBay. When you've finished reading it, with then some knowledge of the inadequacies of loudspeakers, you'll realise that they are about 1000 times more effective in screwing up your Hi-Fi sound than the rest of your system, bar the room you are in.
Second only to the person in front of the microphone?

Diderot

7,263 posts

191 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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TEKNOPUG said:
robinessex said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Oh no, I've just sent £20,000 for a new mains lead, £30,000 on speaker cables, and £500 on Loudspeacer ground spikes, and still my HI-Fi isn't functioning as good as it could!! Looks as if I've got to spend £16,000 to remove the crud from my electric supply now. I'll read this review first, then I'll be well-informed about what I'm missing. https://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/entreq.htm
We don't have Pat Pending on the design, so we can't tell you what's in the box in case someone copies us.....


I'm reliability informed that the box contains crystals....(diamonds I should hope)....
Is it just me or do those look like some bloke in a shed has nailed some old wine cases to some cheap castors?


anonymoususer

5,717 posts

47 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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TEKNOPUG said:
robinessex said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Oh no, I've just sent £20,000 for a new mains lead, £30,000 on speaker cables, and £500 on Loudspeacer ground spikes, and still my HI-Fi isn't functioning as good as it could!! Looks as if I've got to spend £16,000 to remove the crud from my electric supply now. I'll read this review first, then I'll be well-informed about what I'm missing. https://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/entreq.htm
We don't have Pat Pending on the design, so we can't tell you what's in the box in case someone copies us.....


I'm reliability informed that the box contains crystals....(diamonds I should hope)....
Clean anus ?

Deranged Rover

3,316 posts

73 months

Tuesday 18th April 2023
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robinessex said:
Meanwhile, getting firmly back on Terra Firma. Just been re-reading High Performance Loudspeakers by Martin Colloms, founder of Monitor Audio.
Monitor Audio was founded by Mo Iqbal, not Martin Colloms.

Martin has, however, acted in an advisory capacity to quite a few loudspeaker companies over the years.


robinessex

11,046 posts

180 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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OutInTheShed said:
robinessex said:
Meanwhile, getting firmly back on Terra Firma. Just been re-reading High Performance Loudspeakers by Martin Colloms, founder of Monitor Audio. Less than £10 on eBay. When you've finished reading it, with then some knowledge of the inadequacies of loudspeakers, you'll realise that they are about 1000 times more effective in screwing up your Hi-Fi sound than the rest of your system, bar the room you are in.
Second only to the person in front of the microphone?
Goes without saying

robinessex

11,046 posts

180 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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Deranged Rover said:
robinessex said:
Meanwhile, getting firmly back on Terra Firma. Just been re-reading High Performance Loudspeakers by Martin Colloms, founder of Monitor Audio.
Monitor Audio was founded by Mo Iqbal, not Martin Colloms.

Martin has, however, acted in an advisory capacity to quite a few loudspeaker companies over the years.
I just re-read the rear fly cover of his book, a slight mistake by me, he was a co-founder it says. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_Audio

Edited by robinessex on Wednesday 19th April 09:02

911hope

2,676 posts

25 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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robinessex said:
Meanwhile, getting firmly back on Terra Firma. Just been re-reading High Performance Loudspeakers by Martin Colloms, founder of Monitor Audio. Less than £10 on eBay. When you've finished reading it, with then some knowledge of the inadequacies of loudspeakers, you'll realise that they are about 1000 times more effective in screwing up your Hi-Fi sound than the rest of your system, bar the room you are in.
A very good speaker will have 1% THD, whereas a good amplifier 0.001% and a good DAC less than that, uncompressed digital content storage and playback and transmission similar.

Most decent amps will drive all speakers at sensible levels, so spend your money on decent speakers. Use you own judgement on what decent speakers are. Big spending is no guarantee of goodness.

Having listened to speakers all the way up to $200k price level, I can say the quality/cost really levels out a long way below that.





Zumbruk

7,848 posts

259 months

Wednesday 19th April 2023
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911hope said:
A very good speaker will have 1% THD, whereas a good amplifier 0.001% and a good DAC less than that, uncompressed digital content storage and playback and transmission similar.

Most decent amps will drive all speakers at sensible levels, so spend your money on decent speakers. Use you own judgement on what decent speakers are. Big spending is no guarantee of goodness.

Having listened to speakers all the way up to $200k price level, I can say the quality/cost really levels out a long way below that.
Well said.

robinessex

11,046 posts

180 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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Debunking the Digital Audio Myth: The Truth About the 'Stair-Step' Effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD7YFUYLpDc

conkerman

3,298 posts

134 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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I have a Gyrodec, It's lovely and is by far the best thing in my system. I have wanted one since I first saw them in the 80s/90s. It truly is a thing of beauty. (I had a big birthday so treated myself).

Currently running a T3 arm and VM540, and I have no desire to upgrade.

NDA

21,479 posts

224 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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Deranged Rover said:
Monitor Audio was founded by Mo Iqbal....
I haven't heard that name in a few years. I used be at Haymarket many years ago running the hifi magazines - spoke with Mo many times in the early 80's.

Harry Flashman

19,282 posts

241 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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By the way, I agree in the speakers front. My floorstanders are out of action (they are decent, but a midrange driver needs replacing and getting the part is proving a nightmare - buying British, next time!).

So I have my not too bad PMCs connected to everything, including the sub.

Night and day. Room filling, nuanced and rich sound is no more, and the clinical nature of my digital amp is very much revealed.

I have played by swapping my amps. It's the speakers. They seem to be the single most important thing in my system.

TonyRPH

Original Poster:

12,962 posts

167 months

Friday 9th June 2023
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robinessex said:
Debunking the Digital Audio Myth: The Truth About the 'Stair-Step' Effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD7YFUYLpDc
That's an interesting video.

As I understand it - it's oversampling that smoothes the stair steps.

Here's a screenshot of my 'scope - one channel is an oversampling DAC, the other is a non oversampling DAC.

The stair step effect is clearly visible with the non oversampling DAC.