Plasma wall brackets

[Plotloss]

Move the surrounds slightly behind the sofa and fire them at each other, not towards the screen, people call them rears but they aren't.

Ideally you want the front L&R slightly in front of the centre as sound that is directly in front of you is more audible due to the construction of the ear. If you move the front effects slightly proud of the centre the bias is uniform across all three speakers, which is the desired effect.

[theboyfold]

tuffer said:

theboyfold said:

Plans are moving on, and have had the idea that the false wall doesn't actually end at the ceiling, but a little bit short. Which creates a trough and I could drop some rope lights or uplighters in there to add some interest. I'm just not sure how it will look if it goes all the way to the ceiling, as there will be a lot of blank space above the TV.

We cut a recess above ours to use as a display shelf and added some uplighters covered with a glass shelf.

Ohhh, that's nice. Am I right in thinking that I've seen that on AVForums?

Edited by theboyfold on Monday 26th January 13:09

[tuffer]

Yeah, its an old photo taken during installation, I will see if I can upload a newer one.

[JustinP1]

theboyfold said:

Plotloss said:

I personally wouldnt go to 7.2 the room and the layout doesnt justify it. If the sofas etc are to scale.

It's about to scale, but Google Sketch-Up is a dog to use if you know how to use 3ds Max, I lost my rag with it which is why it looks a little crude.

To be honest, I've never heard a 7.x demo and I'm not sure quite how much it adds, but the main idea behind this is to make the room larger and get more seating space, and make the 5.1 work properly, as at the moment everything is off with the TV being in the corner.

If your amp can do 7.1 I would certainly try it out.

From my own personal testing I found that 7.1 was a big improvement even on material which was only 5.1

I found that 5.1 meant that basically the sound was coming from the speaker, and it was noticable. That quickly gets boring when the novelty value that you have speakers there wears off.

That problem is worsened if you have limited space to move the rear speakers to the optimum position. As Plotloss has said, in 5.1 facing them forward is not the best, if you are literally against the back wall, point them in towards eachother, but if you have a bit more space, a 30 degree angle to the wall gives the 'best' performance.

Ideally, you are looking for a seamless matrix of speakers so the sound comes from where it 'should' as shown in the film and not sounding like it is coming from where you put your speakers.

I would even say if space is limited, there is more than an argument for 7.1 than not. With a larger rooms you have more space to get distance from the rears to you, and you can play with the exact angles and make it so the rear 'soundstage' works.

If you don't have that space, having the Left Surround and Left Back and Right Surround and Right Back means that the rear effects hopefully don't sound like they are coming directly from the speakers, as the sound is matrixed and shared between them.

My rear speakers are only literally a couple of feet or so from the main sofa, and going to 7.1 made a big difference.

[theboyfold]

JustinP1 said:

theboyfold said:

Plotloss said:

I personally wouldnt go to 7.2 the room and the layout doesnt justify it. If the sofas etc are to scale.

It's about to scale, but Google Sketch-Up is a dog to use if you know how to use 3ds Max, I lost my rag with it which is why it looks a little crude.

To be honest, I've never heard a 7.x demo and I'm not sure quite how much it adds, but the main idea behind this is to make the room larger and get more seating space, and make the 5.1 work properly, as at the moment everything is off with the TV being in the corner.

If your amp can do 7.1 I would certainly try it out.

From my own personal testing I found that 7.1 was a big improvement even on material which was only 5.1

I found that 5.1 meant that basically the sound was coming from the speaker, and it was noticable. That quickly gets boring when the novelty value that you have speakers there wears off.

That problem is worsened if you have limited space to move the rear speakers to the optimum position. As Plotloss has said, in 5.1 facing them forward is not the best, if you are literally against the back wall, point them in towards eachother, but if you have a bit more space, a 30 degree angle to the wall gives the 'best' performance.

Ideally, you are looking for a seamless matrix of speakers so the sound comes from where it 'should' as shown in the film and not sounding like it is coming from where you put your speakers.

I would even say if space is limited, there is more than an argument for 7.1 than not. With a larger rooms you have more space to get distance from the rears to you, and you can play with the exact angles and make it so the rear 'soundstage' works.

If you don't have that space, having the Left Surround and Left Back and Right Surround and Right Back means that the rear effects hopefully don't sound like they are coming directly from the speakers, as the sound is matrixed and shared between them.

My rear speakers are only literally a couple of feet or so from the main sofa, and going to 7.1 made a big difference.

It's interesting that you say that, I guess the worst I can do is experiment, especially as I now have a pair of speakers doing nothing (I'm changing my FR & FL) and I'm sure I have a bundle of crappy speaker cable I could find a home for.

[tuffer]

theboyfold said:

tuffer said:

theboyfold said:

Plans are moving on, and have had the idea that the false wall doesn't actually end at the ceiling, but a little bit short. Which creates a trough and I could drop some rope lights or uplighters in there to add some interest. I'm just not sure how it will look if it goes all the way to the ceiling, as there will be a lot of blank space above the TV.

We cut a recess above ours to use as a display shelf and added some uplighters covered with a glass shelf.

Ohhh, that's nice. Am I right in thinking that I've seen that on AVForums?

Edited by theboyfold on Monday 26th January 13:09

The glass on top of the shelves was a good idea as it makes it far easier to keep clean.

[theboyfold]

tuffer said:

The glass on top of the shelves was a good idea as it makes it far easier to keep clean.

So the glass is on the top and bottom of the recess, with the lights behind the glass?

Also, how deep is the recess? The chippy who is helping me out with this is asking if I want to make the wall deeper so the screen sits flush.

[tuffer]

The glass sits on the shelf and the lights are underneath, just some simple uplighters. The recess is about 170mm deep and the screen sits flush(ish). Couple of points to think about, get a bracket that swings out from the wall (no matter how much), it makes it far easier than balancing a TV on your head whilst attaching the cables. Make sure you can get to ALL of the cables easily, mine are all under that Amp at the bottom and rewiring or changing stuff around is a pain in the arse. Ideally I would have made a box for all the Hi-Fi kit and fitted it on some runners (like a server rack) and been able to pull the whole lot out.
Overall I am more than happy with it but I did have a hard time convincing the chippy what I wanted even with pictures. Oh yeah, mine is all MDF so no plastering, that was his idea and I am glad I went with it (no cracking or shrinkage and very precise measurements).

[theboyfold]

The bracket is a pain at the moment as my screen juts out at the bottom. I've got my eye on a genuine Panasonic one on ebay at the moment, and might plump for that, so I'm assuming that the HDMI will fit in, if not I can get a right angle adaptor for about 99p, so I might push the boat out.

My chippy is a mate and also into his AV and is very keen to use MDF and not plasterboard. The one thing we need to find out is what type of filler to use, although we're looking at a design which shouldn't use too many joins that are visible. 170mm is about what I need for mine to be flush as well, which is what the chippy is trying to talk me into at the moment, I'm not sure how big it will look though.

As far as the cables go, I'm going to wire most of the TV up, and have it come out at a wallplate around the right hand side of the chimney. I only need to run an HDMI up to the screen as the amp deals with all the other inputs, and that's going to be on the shelf of the bookcase in my mock up. Otherwise I'll just leave a couple of dropwires in and brush grills if I need to run anything else up.

[Russ182]

I'm an electrician and have installed several plasmas using these wall mounts -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Plasma-LCD-TV-Wall-Mount-Bra...

Never had any call backs to any of my job's, Pretty easy mount to work with and good for tv's upto 37". iirc they do one capable of holding 50"+ as well.

[theboyfold]

Managed to pick the original Panasonic mount up from ebay, for the princely sum of £22!

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