24 Hours in Police Custody: Ch4

[fourstardan]

Dashnine said:

And pretty poor quality stuff to it seemed (not that I'm any judge!).

I think if it was these 3 went on to Luton OCG turf, they'd just shoot them - which shocked me a little that Luton has an OCG (i.e. a relatively small place, I naïvely thought OCGs would be only in the bigger cities). Although what makes an OCG over these three other than a tad more organisation (not taking payment via bank transfer etc.) I'm not entirely sure.

It's county lines operation though so were probably working for Luton under eventual duress.

[Jaguar99]

Dashnine said:

And pretty poor quality stuff to it seemed (not that I'm any judge!).

I think if it was these 3 went on to Luton OCG turf, they'd just shoot them - which shocked me a little that Luton has an OCG (i.e. a relatively small place, I naïvely thought OCGs would be only in the bigger cities). Although what makes an OCG over these three other than a tad more organisation (not taking payment via bank transfer etc.) I'm not entirely sure.

OCG?

[rohrl]

Jaguar99 said:

OCG?

Organised Crime Group, aka Gang

Policemen are as bad as medics for using jargon when simple plain English would suffice.

[hungry_hog]

Jaguar99 said:

OCG?

Line of Duty !

[Jaguar99]

rohrl said:

Jaguar99 said:

OCG?

Organised Crime Group, aka Gang

Policemen are as bad as medics for using jargon when simple plain English would suffice.

Thank you!

[bluemason]

MBVitoria said:

Glad the drug dealers got convicted, although the 9 year sentence for the ringleader is a bit of a joke bearing in mind he'll probably be out at the halfway point.

In America, he would have got 25 - 60 years.

[Greendubber]

C5_Steve said:

DoubleSix said:

Chauffard said:

KittyLitter said:

In the space of 5 mins, the word 'mate' has been said about 50 times. Why do the police call criminals 'mate' and vice versa?

That is annoying, I notice this quite a bit on TV police procedurals, I'd prefer less matey-ness towards drug dealing gangsters from the arresting coppers and the desk sergeant.

I raised this on another thread some time ago and was shouted down by the resident bib who explained it basically makes their life easier and avoids confrontation.

Pathetic.

Fairy certain I was in that thread and you weren't shouted down, you were provided a perfectly reasonable explanation from serving and ex police as to why it happens. Not sure why that wasn't good enough for you and it bothers you so much? Its not a "friendly" term at all. You have to remember that at the point of arrest everyone is still innocent (in this country at least). So it doesn't benefit anyone to treat those being arrested any differently. Hence "mate" or "fella" or "buddy" or whatever is easiest without having to be personal.

I'm sure I was posting in that thread and my recollection is the same as yours.

[DoubleSix]

Greendubber said:

C5_Steve said:

DoubleSix said:

Chauffard said:

KittyLitter said:

In the space of 5 mins, the word 'mate' has been said about 50 times. Why do the police call criminals 'mate' and vice versa?

That is annoying, I notice this quite a bit on TV police procedurals, I'd prefer less matey-ness towards drug dealing gangsters from the arresting coppers and the desk sergeant.

I raised this on another thread some time ago and was shouted down by the resident bib who explained it basically makes their life easier and avoids confrontation.

Pathetic.

Fairy certain I was in that thread and you weren't shouted down, you were provided a perfectly reasonable explanation from serving and ex police as to why it happens. Not sure why that wasn't good enough for you and it bothers you so much? Its not a "friendly" term at all. You have to remember that at the point of arrest everyone is still innocent (in this country at least). So it doesn't benefit anyone to treat those being arrested any differently. Hence "mate" or "fella" or "buddy" or whatever is easiest without having to be personal.

I'm sure I was posting in that thread and my recollection is the same as yours.

If you don’t “get it” then there’s little point my wasting my breath.

The last time I interacted with the Police they referred to me as Mr D6, it seemed to work perfectly well.

I noticed even my plumber avoids the use of “mate” - I assume he deems it unprofessional.

[Greendubber]

DoubleSix said:

Greendubber said:

C5_Steve said:

DoubleSix said:

Chauffard said:

KittyLitter said:

In the space of 5 mins, the word 'mate' has been said about 50 times. Why do the police call criminals 'mate' and vice versa?

That is annoying, I notice this quite a bit on TV police procedurals, I'd prefer less matey-ness towards drug dealing gangsters from the arresting coppers and the desk sergeant.

I raised this on another thread some time ago and was shouted down by the resident bib who explained it basically makes their life easier and avoids confrontation.

Pathetic.

Fairy certain I was in that thread and you weren't shouted down, you were provided a perfectly reasonable explanation from serving and ex police as to why it happens. Not sure why that wasn't good enough for you and it bothers you so much? Its not a "friendly" term at all. You have to remember that at the point of arrest everyone is still innocent (in this country at least). So it doesn't benefit anyone to treat those being arrested any differently. Hence "mate" or "fella" or "buddy" or whatever is easiest without having to be personal.

I'm sure I was posting in that thread and my recollection is the same as yours.

If you don’t “get it” then there’s little point my wasting my breath.

The last time I interacted with the Police they referred to me as Mr D6, it seemed to work perfectly well.

I noticed even my plumber avoids the use of “mate” - I assume he deems it unprofessional.

I assume your plumber dealing with you is a lot easier than the situations and the people the police find themselves having to deal with.


So if you dont 'get it' then there's little point in anyone explaining it to you, again.

Edited by Greendubber on Thursday 5th December 11:16

[Unreal]

What's the recognised best way to refer to women then? I assume it's not mate, fella or buddy. Love, darlin, me duck or sweetheart?

[CountyAFC]

'Ello treacle...

[bishop finger]

Unreal said:

What's the recognised best way to refer to women then?

Probably their first name.

Or a typical lefty do gooder, Labour party POV, "pwwwecious wickle feeeeemayul victimm! "man fault!, man make her steawwl £200,000, jaiwl man instead!!!111 !!1"

[Unreal]

bishop finger said:

Unreal said:

What's the recognised best way to refer to women then?

Probably their first name.

Or a typical lefty do gooder, Labour party POV, "pwwwecious wickle feeeeemayul victimm! "man fault!, man make her steawwl £200,000, jaiwl man instead!!!111 !!1"

If we are talking about referring to randoms, then the first name isn't known, is it?

I'm asking a reasonable question. It shouldn't be hard for any of the resident BIB to answer it.

[Greendubber]

Unreal said:

bishop finger said:

Unreal said:

What's the recognised best way to refer to women then?

Probably their first name.

Or a typical lefty do gooder, Labour party POV, "pwwwecious wickle feeeeemayul victimm! "man fault!, man make her steawwl £200,000, jaiwl man instead!!!111 !!1"

If we are talking about referring to randoms, then the first name isn't known, is it?

I'm asking a reasonable question. It shouldn't be hard for any of the resident BIB to answer it.

It's not hard to answer at all. You address people in a way that suits the situation you find yourself in.

An old lady who's had her bag stolen would be different to a screaming female drug addict being restrained on the floor by shop security, for example.

[Unreal]

Greendubber said:

Unreal said:

bishop finger said:

Unreal said:

What's the recognised best way to refer to women then?

Probably their first name.

Or a typical lefty do gooder, Labour party POV, "pwwwecious wickle feeeeemayul victimm! "man fault!, man make her steawwl £200,000, jaiwl man instead!!!111 !!1"

If we are talking about referring to randoms, then the first name isn't known, is it?

I'm asking a reasonable question. It shouldn't be hard for any of the resident BIB to answer it.

It's not hard to answer at all. You address people in a way that suits the situation you find yourself in.

An old lady who's had her bag stolen would be different to a screaming female drug addict being restrained on the floor by shop security, for example.

What are the female equivalents of mate, fella and buddy?

I can quite easily see that sir or madam might be used with elderly victims. I can see that no term is necessary when wrestling in the gutter. It's those more general interactions that I'm interested in.

[DoubleSix]

Just remind me, which of the following sentences cannot function without the introduction of the word "mate" or knowledge of the subject name?:

"Mind your head mate"

"Mate, stop shouting please"

"Listen mate, if you keep swearing I'll knick you"

"Cup of tea mate?"

"Ok mate, that's enough, move along"


There's no need for it whatsoever. It reflects poorly on the officers and the public (as demonstrated here) doesn't support it, thus eroding much-needed respect. Avoiding its usage should be in a guideline somewhere if it isn't already.

Edited by DoubleSix on Thursday 5th December 12:01

[Greendubber]

Unreal said:

Greendubber said:

Unreal said:

bishop finger said:

Unreal said:

What's the recognised best way to refer to women then?

Probably their first name.

Or a typical lefty do gooder, Labour party POV, "pwwwecious wickle feeeeemayul victimm! "man fault!, man make her steawwl £200,000, jaiwl man instead!!!111 !!1"

If we are talking about referring to randoms, then the first name isn't known, is it?

I'm asking a reasonable question. It shouldn't be hard for any of the resident BIB to answer it.

It's not hard to answer at all. You address people in a way that suits the situation you find yourself in.

An old lady who's had her bag stolen would be different to a screaming female drug addict being restrained on the floor by shop security, for example.

What are the female equivalents of mate, fella and buddy?

I can quite easily see that sir or madam might be used with elderly victims. I can see that no term is necessary when wrestling in the gutter. It's those more general interactions that I'm interested in.

You tell me.

I'll just treat people as I find them, I may not refer to them as anything at all, I might ask them their name and then use that.

There's no need for anyone to die in a ditch over what cops call people. Sometimes it's mate, sometimes it's sir, both have times that are suitable to use them. Some people hate being called sir/madam and accuse you of being patronising so it's horses for courses.


Of all the things to be interested in

[Unreal]

Greendubber said:

Unreal said:

Greendubber said:

Unreal said:

bishop finger said:

Unreal said:

What's the recognised best way to refer to women then?

Probably their first name.

Or a typical lefty do gooder, Labour party POV, "pwwwecious wickle feeeeemayul victimm! "man fault!, man make her steawwl £200,000, jaiwl man instead!!!111 !!1"

If we are talking about referring to randoms, then the first name isn't known, is it?

I'm asking a reasonable question. It shouldn't be hard for any of the resident BIB to answer it.

It's not hard to answer at all. You address people in a way that suits the situation you find yourself in.

An old lady who's had her bag stolen would be different to a screaming female drug addict being restrained on the floor by shop security, for example.

What are the female equivalents of mate, fella and buddy?

I can quite easily see that sir or madam might be used with elderly victims. I can see that no term is necessary when wrestling in the gutter. It's those more general interactions that I'm interested in.

You tell me.

I'll just treat people as I find them, I may not refer to them as anything at all, I might ask them their name and then use that.

There's no need for anyone to die in a ditch over what cops call people. Sometimes it's mate, sometimes it's sir, both have times that are suitable to use them. Some people hate being called sir/madam and accuse you of being patronising so it's horses for courses.


Of all the things to be interested in

So are you unable or unwilling to give the equivalents of buddy, mate or fella?

No-one's talking about dying in ditches so God only knows where that came from.

You, amongst others, have defended these informal terms when dealing with males. I can see both sides of the argument.

I don't see what's controversial about questioning the female equivalent but I do find your evasiveness puzzling and your attempt at patronising pathetic.

[Greendubber]

Unreal said:

Greendubber said:

Unreal said:

Greendubber said:

Unreal said:

bishop finger said:

Unreal said:

What's the recognised best way to refer to women then?

Probably their first name.

Or a typical lefty do gooder, Labour party POV, "pwwwecious wickle feeeeemayul victimm! "man fault!, man make her steawwl £200,000, jaiwl man instead!!!111 !!1"

If we are talking about referring to randoms, then the first name isn't known, is it?

I'm asking a reasonable question. It shouldn't be hard for any of the resident BIB to answer it.

It's not hard to answer at all. You address people in a way that suits the situation you find yourself in.

An old lady who's had her bag stolen would be different to a screaming female drug addict being restrained on the floor by shop security, for example.

What are the female equivalents of mate, fella and buddy?

I can quite easily see that sir or madam might be used with elderly victims. I can see that no term is necessary when wrestling in the gutter. It's those more general interactions that I'm interested in.

You tell me.

I'll just treat people as I find them, I may not refer to them as anything at all, I might ask them their name and then use that.

There's no need for anyone to die in a ditch over what cops call people. Sometimes it's mate, sometimes it's sir, both have times that are suitable to use them. Some people hate being called sir/madam and accuse you of being patronising so it's horses for courses.


Of all the things to be interested in

So are you unable or unwilling to give the equivalents of buddy, mate or fella?

No-one's talking about dying in ditches so God only knows where that came from.

You, amongst others, have defended these informal terms when dealing with males. I can see both sides of the argument.

I don't see what's controversial about questioning the female equivalent but I do find your evasiveness puzzling and your attempt at patronising pathetic.

I can't think of any, hence why I said you tell me and then went into explain how I would address a female. I've probably called females mate before as well, shocking.

There is no evasiveness but perhaps find the original thread and quiz the other cops in it and you'll get the answers you seem so keen to get. The internet is a big place so maybe you could do some research and let us all know your findings on the female versions of buddy, mate and fella.

[Greendubber]

DoubleSix said:

Just remind me, which of the following sentences cannot function without the introduction of the word "mate" or knowledge of the subject name?:

"Mind your head mate"

"Mate, stop shouting please"

"Listen mate, if you keep swearing I'll knick you"

"Cup of tea mate?"

"Ok mate, that's enough, move along"


There's no need for it whatsoever. It reflects poorly on the officers and the public (as demonstrated here) doesn't support it, thus eroding much-needed respect. Avoiding its usage should be in a guideline somewhere if it isn't already.

Edited by DoubleSix on Thursday 5th December 12:01

All in the opinion of a few, obviously.


It's part of the 5 step appeal which is used when trying to de-escalate a situation, which is part of every officers annual personal safety training. So it is already in the guidelines, just not how you want it to be. Look into Betaris box, informal behaviour/communication and non confrontational behaviour will often have a positive effect on the behaviour of people being dealt with.

Write to the college of policing and complain if it's bothering you that much.

Edited by Greendubber on Thursday 5th December 12:47