BBC Top Gear Thread 2021/2022
Discussion
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Yes, he thinks the Urus is identical in every way to the top of the range Audi because it shares a platform. Despite reviews saying just how differently it drives, the fact it has different body panels, different interior, brakes, suspension set up, engine and gearbox mapping etc it's basically the exact same car......
You should perhaps take a comprehension course in the English language. I can only assume it's not your first language if that is how you understood it. 
I found it far more interesting when Audi used a Lamborghini engine in the RS6.
LuS1fer said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Yes, he thinks the Urus is identical in every way to the top of the range Audi because it shares a platform. Despite reviews saying just how differently it drives, the fact it has different body panels, different interior, brakes, suspension set up, engine and gearbox mapping etc it's basically the exact same car......
You should perhaps take a comprehension course in the English language. I can only assume it's not your first language if that is how you understood it. I found it far more interesting when Audi used a Lamborghini engine in the RS6.
Doofus said:
Is anyone else slightly concerned by the number of people who fall asleep at the drop of a hat?
"I'm not mentally stimulated. The only alternative is to slip into unconsciousness."
If it was happening to me, I'd be making an appointment with my GP.
It's a well known condition called hyperbole..."I'm not mentally stimulated. The only alternative is to slip into unconsciousness."
If it was happening to me, I'd be making an appointment with my GP.
waynecyclist said:
Due to working late shifts not seen Sunday's episode yet, is it worth watching or one to avoid
Do you have anything else you want to watch? if so watch that first.
Have you run out of things to watch?
Episode 3 is worth watching.
(Unless you have some non-TV activities you could do instead).
This is one of the first episodes where I'd argue it's not "better to have some car related TV on than nothing at all and at least it's better than watching talent shows".
Doofus said:
Is anyone else slightly concerned by the number of people who fall asleep at the drop of a hat?
"I'm not mentally stimulated. The only alternative is to slip into unconsciousness."
If it was happening to me, I'd be making an appointment with my GP.
I'd say that 9pm on a Sunday evening is prime 'snooze in front of the telly' time. If it's not stimulating, I think I'd find it quite easy to fall asleep at that time in a warm, comfortable place. Perhaps it's my age...?"I'm not mentally stimulated. The only alternative is to slip into unconsciousness."
If it was happening to me, I'd be making an appointment with my GP.
ddom said:
Falconer said:
Pointless comment. I have no comprehension of a brain surgeons job, still expect him to do a better job than me.
So pick three new people and explain how you’d do it? 
k off and do it themselves if they thought they could do it any better. The cheeky bash73 said:
I was sorting through some old photos today and came across this, I remember drooling over it at the Jag dealership in Chester back in '92...
I wonder what became of it.
Through a bit of sleuthing I can tell you that this car is this car.....I wonder what became of it.
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-potw/pic-of-th...
HTH. Good spot!
It's quite ironic how the BBC, which is always banging on about challenging stereotypes, has made one of their flagship shows into possibly the most stereotypical programme on the whole channel.
McGuinness and Flintoff are the dopey, northern, working class oiks and Harris is the southern, privately educated, middle class prat. If they had black / Indian / woman presenters that were stereotyped to this degree there'd be a Twitterstorm of biblical proportions.
This is why the `banter' doesn't work - because in real life Harris would never voluntarily mix with the other two and vice versa.
It could be credible if all three of them were genuine car enthusiasts, as such enthusiasm easily crosses class barriers, but McGuinness and Flintoff really aren't. They like driving fast, powerful cars in the same way that they'd enjoy driving a jet ski or a powerful motorbike - because they're noisy and self-indulgent, pretty much a reflection of themselves. In fact, McGuinness is exactly the sort of gobbin I'd expect to own a jet ski, and to have it towed by a Urus. They just see cars as big toys, and seem to have little interest in cars / driving as such.
Of course there's no reason why they should. As many others have said, TG is only nominally a motoring programme now, and no doubt many or most of the viewers are as uninterested in cars as they are. It's probably only the poor geeks of PH who really care any more.
But there's an uncomfortable undercurrent about their relationship with Harris. I suspect that despite their gobby manner they actually feel inferior to him in many ways, hence the mockery of his perceived middle-class traits - banking at Coutts, holidaying in the Caribbean and knowing how to water-ski. It just sounds like everyday envy and chippiness, thinly disguised as banter.
It also feels to me as though Harris really can't stand the other two, but puts up with it because of the money. Sometimes, when he's forgotten to do one of his disconcertingly forced and manic laughs at their `laddish antics' the mask slips, and real irritation shows through.
It's a shame, as I don't actively dislike any of them individually, but they're just the wrong people for the job. Or perhaps (more likely) it's my perception of the job that's wrong!
McGuinness and Flintoff are the dopey, northern, working class oiks and Harris is the southern, privately educated, middle class prat. If they had black / Indian / woman presenters that were stereotyped to this degree there'd be a Twitterstorm of biblical proportions.
This is why the `banter' doesn't work - because in real life Harris would never voluntarily mix with the other two and vice versa.
It could be credible if all three of them were genuine car enthusiasts, as such enthusiasm easily crosses class barriers, but McGuinness and Flintoff really aren't. They like driving fast, powerful cars in the same way that they'd enjoy driving a jet ski or a powerful motorbike - because they're noisy and self-indulgent, pretty much a reflection of themselves. In fact, McGuinness is exactly the sort of gobbin I'd expect to own a jet ski, and to have it towed by a Urus. They just see cars as big toys, and seem to have little interest in cars / driving as such.
Of course there's no reason why they should. As many others have said, TG is only nominally a motoring programme now, and no doubt many or most of the viewers are as uninterested in cars as they are. It's probably only the poor geeks of PH who really care any more.
But there's an uncomfortable undercurrent about their relationship with Harris. I suspect that despite their gobby manner they actually feel inferior to him in many ways, hence the mockery of his perceived middle-class traits - banking at Coutts, holidaying in the Caribbean and knowing how to water-ski. It just sounds like everyday envy and chippiness, thinly disguised as banter.
It also feels to me as though Harris really can't stand the other two, but puts up with it because of the money. Sometimes, when he's forgotten to do one of his disconcertingly forced and manic laughs at their `laddish antics' the mask slips, and real irritation shows through.
It's a shame, as I don't actively dislike any of them individually, but they're just the wrong people for the job. Or perhaps (more likely) it's my perception of the job that's wrong!
Pro Bono said:
It's quite ironic how the BBC, which is always banging on about challenging stereotypes, has made one of their flagship shows into possibly the most stereotypical programme on the whole channel.
McGuinness and Flintoff are the dopey, northern, working class oiks and Harris is the southern, privately educated, middle class prat. If they had black / Indian / woman presenters that were stereotyped to this degree there'd be a Twitterstorm of biblical proportions.
This is why the `banter' doesn't work - because in real life Harris would never voluntarily mix with the other two and vice versa.
It could be credible if all three of them were genuine car enthusiasts, as such enthusiasm easily crosses class barriers, but McGuinness and Flintoff really aren't. They like driving fast, powerful cars in the same way that they'd enjoy driving a jet ski or a powerful motorbike - because they're noisy and self-indulgent, pretty much a reflection of themselves. In fact, McGuinness is exactly the sort of gobbin I'd expect to own a jet ski, and to have it towed by a Urus. They just see cars as big toys, and seem to have little interest in cars / driving as such.
Of course there's no reason why they should. As many others have said, TG is only nominally a motoring programme now, and no doubt many or most of the viewers are as uninterested in cars as they are. It's probably only the poor geeks of PH who really care any more.
But there's an uncomfortable undercurrent about their relationship with Harris. I suspect that despite their gobby manner they actually feel inferior to him in many ways, hence the mockery of his perceived middle-class traits - banking at Coutts, holidaying in the Caribbean and knowing how to water-ski. It just sounds like everyday envy and chippiness, thinly disguised as banter.
It also feels to me as though Harris really can't stand the other two, but puts up with it because of the money. Sometimes, when he's forgotten to do one of his disconcertingly forced and manic laughs at their `laddish antics' the mask slips, and real irritation shows through.
It's a shame, as I don't actively dislike any of them individually, but they're just the wrong people for the job. Or perhaps (more likely) it's my perception of the job that's wrong!
Agree with this. McGuinness and Flintoff are the dopey, northern, working class oiks and Harris is the southern, privately educated, middle class prat. If they had black / Indian / woman presenters that were stereotyped to this degree there'd be a Twitterstorm of biblical proportions.
This is why the `banter' doesn't work - because in real life Harris would never voluntarily mix with the other two and vice versa.
It could be credible if all three of them were genuine car enthusiasts, as such enthusiasm easily crosses class barriers, but McGuinness and Flintoff really aren't. They like driving fast, powerful cars in the same way that they'd enjoy driving a jet ski or a powerful motorbike - because they're noisy and self-indulgent, pretty much a reflection of themselves. In fact, McGuinness is exactly the sort of gobbin I'd expect to own a jet ski, and to have it towed by a Urus. They just see cars as big toys, and seem to have little interest in cars / driving as such.
Of course there's no reason why they should. As many others have said, TG is only nominally a motoring programme now, and no doubt many or most of the viewers are as uninterested in cars as they are. It's probably only the poor geeks of PH who really care any more.
But there's an uncomfortable undercurrent about their relationship with Harris. I suspect that despite their gobby manner they actually feel inferior to him in many ways, hence the mockery of his perceived middle-class traits - banking at Coutts, holidaying in the Caribbean and knowing how to water-ski. It just sounds like everyday envy and chippiness, thinly disguised as banter.
It also feels to me as though Harris really can't stand the other two, but puts up with it because of the money. Sometimes, when he's forgotten to do one of his disconcertingly forced and manic laughs at their `laddish antics' the mask slips, and real irritation shows through.
It's a shame, as I don't actively dislike any of them individually, but they're just the wrong people for the job. Or perhaps (more likely) it's my perception of the job that's wrong!
Pro Bono said:
But there's an uncomfortable undercurrent about their relationship with Harris. I suspect that despite their gobby manner they actually feel inferior to him in many ways, hence the mockery of his perceived middle-class traits - banking at Coutts, holidaying in the Caribbean and knowing how to water-ski. It just sounds like everyday envy and chippiness, thinly disguised as banter.
I agree that TG perpetuates the classic northern stereotypes with Paddy McGuiness playing it up to the hilt, it's what he made his name doing, and presumably what he is being employed to do. The bit where they criticise Harris is all about the idea of conspicuous living, being la-di-da in one's doings and the stereotype that Southerners are all middle class and wealthy.With regard to Freddie Flintoff, he isn't from a lower class background at all, he was very well paid as a professional cricketer from a very young age, captaining the international team at the age of 18 and a regular at senior level from 2001-2002ish. He will have spent months in the Carribean in his professional life no to mention South Africa, Australia etc. I doubt either he or McGuiness are short of a bob or two either.
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