Films I watched this week (NO SPOILERS) (Vol 3)
Discussion
C5_Steve said:
Mickey 17
I went in with none of the expectations that some have towards this film given the director and whilst it's not a bad film by any means, I find myself feeling the same way I did about Anora. Good, but not great.
A couple of things. The plot given away in the trailer isn't really a big part of the film. As in they don't really do anymore exploration of Mickey dying, the previous versions etc. It's all very high level and done via exposition which is I have to say, overdone. It feels like half the film happens via exposition. The actual plot of the film focuses on the colonization of a distant world and yes, the political overtones aren't remotely subtle. I have no issues with this but it does mean it's not clever or subversive and this means the audience doesn't have to do much thinking. Much like using exposition so much. You're spoon fed.
Robert Pattinson is outstanding, as always IMO. It's a version of him we've not seen (well, one version) and he's brilliant in it. Highlight of the film for me. The rest of it is fine but I just felt like it was very surface level. There seems to be a much deeper, much richer version of this film hiding that would allow us to explore more about the world they're in but we're never given the chance.
It's all well put together and produced and I certainly can't say it's not a good film, I just didn't connect with it. My girlfriend, who's not a sci-fi fan liked it more than me so perhaps that's an aspect of it.
I have to say... (Spoilers for Moon)
so the book Mickey 7 came out way after the film Moon. There are very strong similarities. I know I've spoken about originality etc in film and I've not read the book so can't say how influenced it is or not but if you want a film about what it means to be a copy of yourself, watch Moon. I feel that Moon deals with this so much better than Mickey 17 ever approaches, and it's the far superior film all told to be honest. I appreciate the drive of the plot is different, Mickey 17 focusing more on the differences in class, political aspects etc however Moon does this as well but in a far more subtle way. Moon focuses on the individual, Mickey 17 seems to be trying to focus on the world view through this one guy but it just doesn't work. Honestly, go and watch Moon. It's outstanding.
Overall it's competent and there's certainly stuff for people to enjoy but it's not something I see myself rushing back to.
7/10
Side note: I went and saw this at an Everyman cinema, my first time going to one. It was awful
Why would anyone want to sit on a velour sofa that's clapped out (it was a new venue as well but I spent the entire time at and angle as the middle was sunken), second most uncomfortable I've ever been and that's saying something. I dunno, maybe I can see the appeal for going on your own but after the leather recliners at my local I just don't get it. Maybe I'm not hipster enough but it was expensive and annoying. That's my take away.
I will only go to Everyman. Chav and brat free from the bar to the screen. I've seen people refused entry which is always a good sign. Thank God for Cineworld, the industry equivalent of Wetherspoons.I went in with none of the expectations that some have towards this film given the director and whilst it's not a bad film by any means, I find myself feeling the same way I did about Anora. Good, but not great.
A couple of things. The plot given away in the trailer isn't really a big part of the film. As in they don't really do anymore exploration of Mickey dying, the previous versions etc. It's all very high level and done via exposition which is I have to say, overdone. It feels like half the film happens via exposition. The actual plot of the film focuses on the colonization of a distant world and yes, the political overtones aren't remotely subtle. I have no issues with this but it does mean it's not clever or subversive and this means the audience doesn't have to do much thinking. Much like using exposition so much. You're spoon fed.
Robert Pattinson is outstanding, as always IMO. It's a version of him we've not seen (well, one version) and he's brilliant in it. Highlight of the film for me. The rest of it is fine but I just felt like it was very surface level. There seems to be a much deeper, much richer version of this film hiding that would allow us to explore more about the world they're in but we're never given the chance.
It's all well put together and produced and I certainly can't say it's not a good film, I just didn't connect with it. My girlfriend, who's not a sci-fi fan liked it more than me so perhaps that's an aspect of it.
I have to say... (Spoilers for Moon)
so the book Mickey 7 came out way after the film Moon. There are very strong similarities. I know I've spoken about originality etc in film and I've not read the book so can't say how influenced it is or not but if you want a film about what it means to be a copy of yourself, watch Moon. I feel that Moon deals with this so much better than Mickey 17 ever approaches, and it's the far superior film all told to be honest. I appreciate the drive of the plot is different, Mickey 17 focusing more on the differences in class, political aspects etc however Moon does this as well but in a far more subtle way. Moon focuses on the individual, Mickey 17 seems to be trying to focus on the world view through this one guy but it just doesn't work. Honestly, go and watch Moon. It's outstanding.
Overall it's competent and there's certainly stuff for people to enjoy but it's not something I see myself rushing back to.
7/10
Side note: I went and saw this at an Everyman cinema, my first time going to one. It was awful
Why would anyone want to sit on a velour sofa that's clapped out (it was a new venue as well but I spent the entire time at and angle as the middle was sunken), second most uncomfortable I've ever been and that's saying something. I dunno, maybe I can see the appeal for going on your own but after the leather recliners at my local I just don't get it. Maybe I'm not hipster enough but it was expensive and annoying. That's my take away. Monster, Netflix
Two kids kidnapped and held hostage in a blokes house. One manages to partly break free and goes into hiding, and the rest of the movie is chapter after chapter of cat and mouse. Pretty much only 4 characters in the movie, and almost zero Indonesian dialogue, so a big reliance on sound design and ambience, kind of works, however the rear channels seem overly distorted at times, all part of the experience, but gave me a bit of a headache by the end.
Good plot though, and pretty tense throughout.
7 improvised self-defence weapons out of 10.
Two kids kidnapped and held hostage in a blokes house. One manages to partly break free and goes into hiding, and the rest of the movie is chapter after chapter of cat and mouse. Pretty much only 4 characters in the movie, and almost zero Indonesian dialogue, so a big reliance on sound design and ambience, kind of works, however the rear channels seem overly distorted at times, all part of the experience, but gave me a bit of a headache by the end.
Good plot though, and pretty tense throughout.
7 improvised self-defence weapons out of 10.
Unreal said:
I will only go to Everyman. Chav and brat free from the bar to the screen. I've seen people refused entry which is always a good sign. Thank God for Cineworld, the industry equivalent of Wetherspoons.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but that view is exactly the vibe I got from the place I can see the attraction for a certain group but honestly it was like sitting in my living room, but worse. Just couldn't get into the film.
I guess I'm lucky with where I live that I don't really have those issues and I can imagine if I did, I'd give it a shot. Maybe the armchairs are more comfortable.
C5_Steve said:
Unreal said:
I will only go to Everyman. Chav and brat free from the bar to the screen. I've seen people refused entry which is always a good sign. Thank God for Cineworld, the industry equivalent of Wetherspoons.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but that view is exactly the vibe I got from the place I can see the attraction for a certain group but honestly it was like sitting in my living room, but worse. Just couldn't get into the film.
I guess I'm lucky with where I live that I don't really have those issues and I can imagine if I did, I'd give it a shot. Maybe the armchairs are more comfortable.
Novocain
I wasn't that impressed with the trailer, but what an excellent movie! If you liked Nobody, then this is very similar but with a bit more humor and plot twists and some brand new ways of dying. I recognized two actors, but the whole supporting cast were y very good.
Even the MIL who came along unwillingly said it was highly entertaining. Imagine that, a good story, without a DEI-left-wing slant to it, is a fun enjoyable film you can watch without coming out feeling like you have just been preached to for 2 hours.
Really hope it does well at the box office - it deserves to.
Solid 9 out of 10 for a fresh breath of air movie experience.
I wasn't that impressed with the trailer, but what an excellent movie! If you liked Nobody, then this is very similar but with a bit more humor and plot twists and some brand new ways of dying. I recognized two actors, but the whole supporting cast were y very good.
Even the MIL who came along unwillingly said it was highly entertaining. Imagine that, a good story, without a DEI-left-wing slant to it, is a fun enjoyable film you can watch without coming out feeling like you have just been preached to for 2 hours.
Really hope it does well at the box office - it deserves to.
Solid 9 out of 10 for a fresh breath of air movie experience.
anonymoususer said:
High Plains Drifter
I had forgotten how good this is and the supernatural element to it. I think this was one of Clint Eastwoods finest.
You as well?I had forgotten how good this is and the supernatural element to it. I think this was one of Clint Eastwoods finest.
I've been a fan of his work for a long time, and I'd seen this one several times in the past. I don't know what it is, maybe a long gap since I last saw it, but there seemed to be a lot more to this movie than I remembered.
It made me smile, too, having watched the 'Dollars Trilogy' fairly recently, that this is the movie in which he truly plays "The man with no name", whereas, in the Dollars movies the credits show he plays three different named characters.
Quite a few other cast members I recognised, too. Several of whom worked on other Clint Eastwood projects.
yellowjack said:
anonymoususer said:
High Plains Drifter
I had forgotten how good this is and the supernatural element to it. I think this was one of Clint Eastwoods finest.
You as well?I had forgotten how good this is and the supernatural element to it. I think this was one of Clint Eastwoods finest.
I've been a fan of his work for a long time, and I'd seen this one several times in the past. I don't know what it is, maybe a long gap since I last saw it, but there seemed to be a lot more to this movie than I remembered.
It made me smile, too, having watched the 'Dollars Trilogy' fairly recently, that this is the movie in which he truly plays "The man with no name", whereas, in the Dollars movies the credits show he plays three different named characters.
Quite a few other cast members I recognised, too. Several of whom worked on other Clint Eastwood projects.
I'm going to dig out the DVD of Pale Rider as I remember that had a supernatural element to it as well
As regards the 3 names in the Dollars film The first two are set after the Civil War. This is inferred in A Fistful of Dollars and stated explicitly in For A Few Dollars More re the Colonels past.
The Good The Bad And The Ugly uses the Civil War as its background. Towards the end The Eastwood character - Blondy comes across an injured dying soldier. He takes off his overcoat and uses it to cover the soldier who is dying and cold .Blondy gives him a cigarette. It's an intensely human moment in the film. After the soldiers death he goes to pick up his coat and notices a poncho which think is used as a headrest,
In the next scene with Tuco he is wearing it.
From what I remember reading in a book in the 70s it was the directors idea to show that this is the same character that went on into a Fistful of Dollars
gavsdavs said:
Clockwork Cupcake said:
272BHP said:
Forgive me, but why on earth would anyone care about that? 
What an odd comment to make; mocking someone for caring about accuracy. There are documentaries on what they did on Heat, that's why people care. If you wish to be an actor and require weapons training for what you're cast in, the 3 largest training providers in the UK use extracts of the film, and others, to illustrate points. Even the US Marines use parts of it for actual training, albeit I suspect piss in their ocean of requirements. I don't know who you're saying is humblebragging, or why my statement is one?
https://screenrant.com/heat-shootout-scene-marine-...
macron said:
I am genuinely confused.
There are documentaries on what they did on Heat, that's why people care. If you wish to be an actor and require weapons training for what you're cast in, the 3 largest training providers in the UK use extracts of the film, and others, to illustrate points. Even the US Marines use parts of it for actual training, albeit I suspect piss in their ocean of requirements. I don't know who you're saying is humblebragging, or why my statement is one?
https://screenrant.com/heat-shootout-scene-marine-...
You are really not helping your argument here There are documentaries on what they did on Heat, that's why people care. If you wish to be an actor and require weapons training for what you're cast in, the 3 largest training providers in the UK use extracts of the film, and others, to illustrate points. Even the US Marines use parts of it for actual training, albeit I suspect piss in their ocean of requirements. I don't know who you're saying is humblebragging, or why my statement is one?
https://screenrant.com/heat-shootout-scene-marine-...
The Electric State.
Hard to remember anything more inconsequential than this.
No idea what the source material is, but I presume the creator has now been sectioned after seeing it.
Chris Pratt is Chris Pratt. Millie Thingy is a young female who occupies coordinates in front of the camera at the right moments. The villains do stuff that's not very positive.
Um, the rest has slipped away already.
Looks great. For over $300 million I'd hope so too.
Hard to remember anything more inconsequential than this.
No idea what the source material is, but I presume the creator has now been sectioned after seeing it.
Chris Pratt is Chris Pratt. Millie Thingy is a young female who occupies coordinates in front of the camera at the right moments. The villains do stuff that's not very positive.
Um, the rest has slipped away already.
Looks great. For over $300 million I'd hope so too.
Control Freak - Disney+
A successful life coach with everything going for her suddenly develops a itch on the back of her head, the need to itch it constantly begins to effect her career and her marriage.
Soon she starts to have visions of a demon.
Is it all in her head or is she actually cursed and possessed.
The first half of the film is quite slow, there's a lot of head scratching in between her day to day life.
The second half of the film ramps up with her trying to find out the truth and the extreme lengths shes willing to go to, to end her scratching.
A bit long but the second half of the film saves it.
6/10
A successful life coach with everything going for her suddenly develops a itch on the back of her head, the need to itch it constantly begins to effect her career and her marriage.
Soon she starts to have visions of a demon.
Is it all in her head or is she actually cursed and possessed.
The first half of the film is quite slow, there's a lot of head scratching in between her day to day life.
The second half of the film ramps up with her trying to find out the truth and the extreme lengths shes willing to go to, to end her scratching.
A bit long but the second half of the film saves it.
6/10
272BHP said:
macron said:
I am genuinely confused.
There are documentaries on what they did on Heat, that's why people care. If you wish to be an actor and require weapons training for what you're cast in, the 3 largest training providers in the UK use extracts of the film, and others, to illustrate points. Even the US Marines use parts of it for actual training, albeit I suspect piss in their ocean of requirements. I don't know who you're saying is humblebragging, or why my statement is one?
https://screenrant.com/heat-shootout-scene-marine-...
You are really not helping your argument here There are documentaries on what they did on Heat, that's why people care. If you wish to be an actor and require weapons training for what you're cast in, the 3 largest training providers in the UK use extracts of the film, and others, to illustrate points. Even the US Marines use parts of it for actual training, albeit I suspect piss in their ocean of requirements. I don't know who you're saying is humblebragging, or why my statement is one?
https://screenrant.com/heat-shootout-scene-marine-...
JagLover said:
The Heat shootout after the bank robbery has been iconic for years. This is a thread for people who enjoy film, which for most of us includes Heat.
And it is indeed a great scene as I remember it.Their weapon handling in it would have mattered not a jot in making it such a great scene. I certainly don't remember noticing that part of it and I would worry just a little bit about someone who would focus on that aspect.
Anyway ...
Paddington in Peru - Blu-ray
Not as good as the first two and suffers from being overambitious I think. Paddington belongs in London and the charm of the movies is about his interaction and fascination with it and how he gets along with its inhabitants.
7/10
272BHP said:
JagLover said:
The Heat shootout after the bank robbery has been iconic for years. This is a thread for people who enjoy film, which for most of us includes Heat.
And it is indeed a great scene as I remember it.Their weapon handling in it would have mattered not a jot in making it such a great scene.
Anyway, who made you the sole arbiter on what people are allowed to like. You don't care about something so nobody else is allowed to?
272BHP said:
JagLover said:
The Heat shootout after the bank robbery has been iconic for years. This is a thread for people who enjoy film, which for most of us includes Heat.
And it is indeed a great scene as I remember it.Their weapon handling in it would have mattered not a jot in making it such a great scene. I certainly don't remember noticing that part of it and I would worry just a little bit about someone who would focus on that aspect.
272BHP said:
And it is indeed a great scene as I remember it.
Their weapon handling in it would have mattered not a jot in making it such a great scene. I certainly don't remember noticing that part of it and I would worry just a little bit about someone who would focus on that aspect.
I don't mean to pile on here but you're way wide of the mark there. This thread is filled with people picking plot holes in made up science FFS Their weapon handling in it would have mattered not a jot in making it such a great scene. I certainly don't remember noticing that part of it and I would worry just a little bit about someone who would focus on that aspect.
The authenticity absolutely does make a difference to the scene. However I will give you the fact that someone diving through the air firing off an uzi in each hand in a John Woo film is still a cool scene. But that's a totally different kind of film. Would the lobby scene in The Matrix be better with accurate weapons handling? No, but Heat works because of the details all the way through.
272BHP said:
I would like them to do it in a way that is cinematically engaging - that's it.
I think we all agree that they did that, and they managed to do it with a good degree of authentic accuracy for those who care about the details.Just because you might not care about the details doesn't mean that others shouldn't.
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