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Getragdogleg said:
Lo-Fi said:
Getragdogleg said:
Evoluzione said:
Oh God not this again, the Bi-monthly TV licence thread grinds into action once more.
Is that bi monthly as in twice a month or is it every two months? I see.
Kuwahara said:
It’s dead easy ,go on the BBC site and fill in the relevant page ,I get an e mail every 2 years asking for an update it’s all very easy and civil…
How many other companies contact you regularly asking if you need one of their licences? How many of those do you keep updated with your details so they can keep asking you?Maybe you should contact Oracle to let them know you don't have any of their databases installed?
There are numerous ways you can do this.
Be aware that if you cancel the DD and do nothing in a few months you will start getting "you must pay" reminders. It is automated and goes on a sort of round robin. Just because you cancel makes no difference, the data of people with no licence is just sent to Capita and then you will start receiving a letter a month until you either tell them to stop (it will start again eventually) or buy a licence again.
Obviously if you continue to watch tv as it is being transmitted you still need a licence, there is some confusion (not helped by the licencing people being vague) about what constitutes live tv, things like Youtube to some do not count, but in reality anything shown as it is sent out live is live tv.
But if you have tv boxes etc it is perhaps obvious you are watching live tv. You also cannot watch anything whatsoever on Iplayer, which actually is a nonsense as very little of that is live tv, but this was done to protect the BBC and prevent anyone who is not paying the licence watching anything they produce. Fine by me.
Although you can still access the website and radio stations, but be aware if you sign in you allow them access to your data and they can then track you if they want via email and therefore address. And the letters will start again.
Bear in mind that the "goons", the people who will visit your house eventually if you ignore the letters are not employed by the BBC . They are funded by them yes, but they are basically no power bailiffs if you like they are salesmen and women on commission to sell as many licences as possible.
They have no power whatsoever to do anything, and unless they can SEE you watching tv as it is being shown they cannot prove or have any real power to prove your ware watching tv as it is being shown.
You have to be careful though, buy anything linked to television, cables, aerials, etc and your data will be sent to the BBC via Capita letters will start. Basically signing a rental agreement with a landlord/counsils/water/electric letters will start.
But all you to do to is make sure you do not watch any live tv,
Or you can just watch what you want and ope they can never prove anything which is what a lot of people have done, especially now they are proposing an increase to 175 quid a year.
Never sign in to the BBC, never answer the door to a Capita salesman, and if you do ask for ID and literally close the door, they cannot do a thing.
Don't be stupid and sign up for SKY, BT, Virgin and never pay it, that is dumb. But it is easy to avoid, I have done it for 10 years and others have done it for decades, kept every letter and never had any issue.
Be aware that if you cancel the DD and do nothing in a few months you will start getting "you must pay" reminders. It is automated and goes on a sort of round robin. Just because you cancel makes no difference, the data of people with no licence is just sent to Capita and then you will start receiving a letter a month until you either tell them to stop (it will start again eventually) or buy a licence again.
Obviously if you continue to watch tv as it is being transmitted you still need a licence, there is some confusion (not helped by the licencing people being vague) about what constitutes live tv, things like Youtube to some do not count, but in reality anything shown as it is sent out live is live tv.
But if you have tv boxes etc it is perhaps obvious you are watching live tv. You also cannot watch anything whatsoever on Iplayer, which actually is a nonsense as very little of that is live tv, but this was done to protect the BBC and prevent anyone who is not paying the licence watching anything they produce. Fine by me.
Although you can still access the website and radio stations, but be aware if you sign in you allow them access to your data and they can then track you if they want via email and therefore address. And the letters will start again.
Bear in mind that the "goons", the people who will visit your house eventually if you ignore the letters are not employed by the BBC . They are funded by them yes, but they are basically no power bailiffs if you like they are salesmen and women on commission to sell as many licences as possible.
They have no power whatsoever to do anything, and unless they can SEE you watching tv as it is being shown they cannot prove or have any real power to prove your ware watching tv as it is being shown.
You have to be careful though, buy anything linked to television, cables, aerials, etc and your data will be sent to the BBC via Capita letters will start. Basically signing a rental agreement with a landlord/counsils/water/electric letters will start.
But all you to do to is make sure you do not watch any live tv,
Or you can just watch what you want and ope they can never prove anything which is what a lot of people have done, especially now they are proposing an increase to 175 quid a year.
Never sign in to the BBC, never answer the door to a Capita salesman, and if you do ask for ID and literally close the door, they cannot do a thing.
Don't be stupid and sign up for SKY, BT, Virgin and never pay it, that is dumb. But it is easy to avoid, I have done it for 10 years and others have done it for decades, kept every letter and never had any issue.
Just for clarity. If I just tell them I don't need a licence, and carry on watching live TV. What are the chances of the goons proving I have watched live tv? And if they do how much will.they fine me? I know they can find me up.to £1000 but what are they really going to find me for a first offence?
alock said:
How many other companies contact you regularly asking if you need one of their licences? How many of those do you keep updated with your details so they can keep asking you?
Maybe you should contact Oracle to let them know you don't have any of their databases installed?
Nobody why…!!!Maybe you should contact Oracle to let them know you don't have any of their databases installed?
ARHarh said:
Just for clarity. If I just tell them I don't need a licence, and carry on watching live TV. What are the chances of the goons proving I have watched live tv? And if they do how much will.they fine me? I know they can find me up.to £1000 but what are they really going to find me for a first offence?
I've never once had a visit, and no letters after telling them I don't required a license, they've left me completely alone.No idea what the punishment would be, I don't watch live TV so never bothered looking at the punishments,
ARHarh said:
Just for clarity. If I just tell them I don't need a licence, and carry on watching live TV. What are the chances of the goons proving I have watched live tv? And if they do how much will.they fine me? I know they can find me up.to £1000 but what are they really going to find me for a first offence?
1,000 prosecutions a week according to recent media reports I’d imagine if you have a Sky subscription or similar they’ve got you “bang to rights”
For the sake of £150/year is it really worth it?
I’ve lived without live telly for over a decade now and don’t miss it in the slightest
funinhounslow said:
ARHarh said:
Just for clarity. If I just tell them I don't need a licence, and carry on watching live TV. What are the chances of the goons proving I have watched live tv? And if they do how much will.they fine me? I know they can find me up.to £1000 but what are they really going to find me for a first offence?
1,000 prosecutions a week according to recent media reports I’d imagine if you have a Sky subscription or similar they’ve got you “bang to rights”
For the sake of £150/year is it really worth it?
I’ve lived without live telly for over a decade now and don’t miss it in the slightest
I declared I didn’t need a TV licence for the first time about 6 years ago. Use a second email address so I can watch iPlayer and just click yes when it asks if I have a licence (there are no other details saved there). I think I’ve had about 3 or 4 letters asking if I still don’t need a licence. I just register again on the website.
LukeBrown66 said:
You have to be careful though, buy anything linked to television, cables, aerials, etc and your data will be sent to the BBC
Nope, that hasn't been the case for a decade or so. Back in the day retailers had a legal obligation under the Wireless and Telegraphy Act to collect and pass on the customers details when they bought a TV but not any more.I wouldn’t bother doing the no licence needed declaration. It stops some of the letters but not all of them and they can still try and visit. I learned that lesson at my old address, haven’t done it since moving.
I’ve been under investigation for months according to their letters. Some investigation, they haven’t even found out my name yet (letters addressed to the legal occupier)! Now they say as I haven’t responded they have no option but to schedule a visit. In other words they are threatening to send the boys round. In any other industry they would be prosecuted for their intimidation and threatening behaviour, no idea why they get away with it.
I’ve been under investigation for months according to their letters. Some investigation, they haven’t even found out my name yet (letters addressed to the legal occupier)! Now they say as I haven’t responded they have no option but to schedule a visit. In other words they are threatening to send the boys round. In any other industry they would be prosecuted for their intimidation and threatening behaviour, no idea why they get away with it.
ARHarh said:
funinhounslow said:
ARHarh said:
Just for clarity. If I just tell them I don't need a licence, and carry on watching live TV. What are the chances of the goons proving I have watched live tv? And if they do how much will.they fine me? I know they can find me up.to £1000 but what are they really going to find me for a first offence?
1,000 prosecutions a week according to recent media reports I’d imagine if you have a Sky subscription or similar they’ve got you “bang to rights”
For the sake of £150/year is it really worth it?
I’ve lived without live telly for over a decade now and don’t miss it in the slightest
Randy Winkman said:
ARHarh said:
funinhounslow said:
ARHarh said:
Just for clarity. If I just tell them I don't need a licence, and carry on watching live TV. What are the chances of the goons proving I have watched live tv? And if they do how much will.they fine me? I know they can find me up.to £1000 but what are they really going to find me for a first offence?
1,000 prosecutions a week according to recent media reports I’d imagine if you have a Sky subscription or similar they’ve got you “bang to rights”
For the sake of £150/year is it really worth it?
I’ve lived without live telly for over a decade now and don’t miss it in the slightest
ARHarh said:
Randy Winkman said:
I dont normally go in for suggesting that "people are stupid" but I honestly wonder if many of them dont pay because they genuinely think that if they dont watch the BBC, they dont need a licence? They then therefore own up to watching other live TV. Just a thought. Not sure how they get caught otherwise.
This is my thought I can't possibly see how the "Goons" could prove it.1. Poor people are more likely not to have a tv licence because they haven’t paid, rather than actually not needing one because they have taken the steps not to watch live tv.
2. Poor people have small homes where the front doors open straight into the living room, so the ‘Goon’ can see or hear from where they are stood if the tv is on (which it will be).
3. Poor people are likely to be badly educated and more likely to be intimidated by the ‘Goon’ quoting the Police and Criminal Evidence Act them, so stupidity sign the form that is ‘just a record of our conversation’ that actually is their confession that is used in court. They also know that in the poor areas they target that at the times they visit it is usually only a woman at home alone with children, so the male ‘Goons’ use intimidation and the female ‘Goons’ sympathy to persuade them to fill the form in, and as a result the vast majority of people prosecuted are women.
So if you are a ‘powerfully built male director’ living in a large house up a gated driveway, who can ‘dominate the stairs’ and can either forcefully tell the ‘Goon’ to “get off my land” or tediously explain in detail why precisely you don’t need a tv licence for the multiple tvs in your mansion because they only are used for streaming services - well you are never going to be selected for an actual visit.
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