Political bias at BBC - something has to be done surely
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This will have triggered a few people.
Daniel Barenboim, the acclaimed conductor and opponent of Brexit, interrupted a BBC Proms concert to make an impassioned plea for European unity. A day after pianist Igor Levit performed an improvised version of the EU anthem, Barenboim took to the podium to warn about the dangers of nationalism in what are fast becoming the anti-Brexit Proms.
Daniel Barenboim, the acclaimed conductor and opponent of Brexit, interrupted a BBC Proms concert to make an impassioned plea for European unity. A day after pianist Igor Levit performed an improvised version of the EU anthem, Barenboim took to the podium to warn about the dangers of nationalism in what are fast becoming the anti-Brexit Proms.
BlackLabel said:
This will have triggered a few people.
Daniel Barenboim, the acclaimed conductor and opponent of Brexit, interrupted a BBC Proms concert to make an impassioned plea for European unity. A day after pianist Igor Levit performed an improvised version of the EU anthem, Barenboim took to the podium to warn about the dangers of nationalism in what are fast becoming the anti-Brexit Proms.
It will trigger laughter at the silly sod in more than a few people.Daniel Barenboim, the acclaimed conductor and opponent of Brexit, interrupted a BBC Proms concert to make an impassioned plea for European unity. A day after pianist Igor Levit performed an improvised version of the EU anthem, Barenboim took to the podium to warn about the dangers of nationalism in what are fast becoming the anti-Brexit Proms.
BlackLabel said:
This will have triggered a few people.
Daniel Barenboim, the acclaimed conductor and opponent of Brexit, interrupted a BBC Proms concert to make an impassioned plea for European unity. A day after pianist Igor Levit performed an improvised version of the EU anthem, Barenboim took to the podium to warn about the dangers of nationalism in what are fast becoming the anti-Brexit Proms.
I can't see how the BBC could have stopped him tbh. He should not have done it but unless the BBC had prior knowledge of his intent then it's hard to blame them. Daniel Barenboim, the acclaimed conductor and opponent of Brexit, interrupted a BBC Proms concert to make an impassioned plea for European unity. A day after pianist Igor Levit performed an improvised version of the EU anthem, Barenboim took to the podium to warn about the dangers of nationalism in what are fast becoming the anti-Brexit Proms.
I was more irked by BBC news this morning spouting that the current slowing of the rate of increase in life expectancy was due to austerity since 2010 (and possibly due to dementia, but this was very much a second thought)
No analysis of the fact that the higher rate of improvements in life expectancy over the past 20 years might have been due at least in part to the largely "one off" factors such as the reduction of the % of population that smokes, reduction of people involved in mining, improved lifestyle (fitness etc) health awareness, improvements in medical procedures...
Nah, austerity...
andymadmak said:
I can't see how the BBC could have stopped him tbh. He should not have done it but unless the BBC had prior knowledge of his intent then it's hard to blame them.
I was more irked by BBC news this morning spouting that the current slowing of the rate of increase in life expectancy was due to austerity since 2010 (and possibly due to dementia, but this was very much a second thought)
No analysis of the fact that the higher rate of improvements in life expectancy over the past 20 years might have been due at least in part to the largely "one off" factors such as the reduction of the % of population that smokes, reduction of people involved in mining, improved lifestyle (fitness etc) health awareness, improvements in medical procedures...
Nah, austerity...
Yes, this caught my attention too.I was more irked by BBC news this morning spouting that the current slowing of the rate of increase in life expectancy was due to austerity since 2010 (and possibly due to dementia, but this was very much a second thought)
No analysis of the fact that the higher rate of improvements in life expectancy over the past 20 years might have been due at least in part to the largely "one off" factors such as the reduction of the % of population that smokes, reduction of people involved in mining, improved lifestyle (fitness etc) health awareness, improvements in medical procedures...
Nah, austerity...
I suspect the question posed was
'Could Austerity be a factor'
To which the reply was
'He said it was hard to draw firm conclusions about the cause.
But he said it was "entirely possible" austerity had played a role.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40608256
I am hoping that most people are of sound mind to link together the fact the the UK has had to endure a long period of austerity is because of the previous Labour government.
The fact that they increased national debt, but more importantly because they increased and did not recognise the impact of the national deficit.
Compounded by the fact the Brown sold off a lot of the UK gold reserve when gold was at a low value.
Bring on 2008 and a financial crisis and the UK was in a bad position to cope.
Many people blame the bankers (which they should shoulder their portion of the blame), but it is the job of a responsible government to account for markets and global influences.
So when the BBC keep pushing a left ideology, especially on the subject of austerity, it staggers me that they do it with such ignorance and assume the UK populace forget the past so easily.
The fact that they increased national debt, but more importantly because they increased and did not recognise the impact of the national deficit.
Compounded by the fact the Brown sold off a lot of the UK gold reserve when gold was at a low value.
Bring on 2008 and a financial crisis and the UK was in a bad position to cope.
Many people blame the bankers (which they should shoulder their portion of the blame), but it is the job of a responsible government to account for markets and global influences.
So when the BBC keep pushing a left ideology, especially on the subject of austerity, it staggers me that they do it with such ignorance and assume the UK populace forget the past so easily.
Atomic12C said:
I am hoping that most people are of sound mind to link together the fact the the UK has had to endure a long period of austerity is because of the previous Labour government.
The fact that they increased national debt, but more importantly because they increased and did not recognise the impact of the national deficit.
Compounded by the fact the Brown sold off a lot of the UK gold reserve when gold was at a low value.
Bring on 2008 and a financial crisis and the UK was in a bad position to cope.
Many people blame the bankers (which they should shoulder their portion of the blame), but it is the job of a responsible government to account for markets and global influences.
So when the BBC keep pushing a left ideology, especially on the subject of austerity, it staggers me that they do it with such ignorance and assume the UK populace forget the past so easily.
From what I have seen, I cannot fathom why the left think the UK has any kind of financial 'austerity'The fact that they increased national debt, but more importantly because they increased and did not recognise the impact of the national deficit.
Compounded by the fact the Brown sold off a lot of the UK gold reserve when gold was at a low value.
Bring on 2008 and a financial crisis and the UK was in a bad position to cope.
Many people blame the bankers (which they should shoulder their portion of the blame), but it is the job of a responsible government to account for markets and global influences.
So when the BBC keep pushing a left ideology, especially on the subject of austerity, it staggers me that they do it with such ignorance and assume the UK populace forget the past so easily.
Over the road from us is a block of flats. Most of the occupants are of working age yet do not work, instead they drink, some do drugs and the public services are always there (police, ambulances etc.)
Yet, I also see eastern European men of working age walking to work early in the morning, and when they finish, playing football with their kids in the park.
How can we have austerity when we are able to fund so many to do nothing all day and have to bring workers from other countries to do the jobs that the feckless indigenous population refuse to, and should be doing, presumably because benefits are a better option. So, not only do we have this, but it must also put a massive strain on housing and infrastructure, all because for some, benefit culture is now a way of life.
'If' what I witness is a microcosm of what goes on up and down the country (And we're only a very small town), the UK must be very rich to be able to fund so many doing so little.
Mr2Mike said:
Atomic12C said:
I am hoping that most people are of sound mind to link together the fact the the UK has had to endure a long period of austerity is because of the previous Labour government.
Unfortunately people have short and very selective memories.My generation will be picking up the tab for this short sighted political class.
chris watton said:
From what I have seen, I cannot fathom why the left think the UK has any kind of financial 'austerity'
Over the road from us is a block of flats. Most of the occupants are of working age yet do not work, instead they drink, some do drugs and the public services are always there (police, ambulances etc.)
Yet, I also see eastern European men of working age walking to work early in the morning, and when they finish, playing football with their kids in the park.
How can we have austerity when we are able to fund so many to do nothing all day and have to bring workers from other countries to do the jobs that the feckless indigenous population refuse to, and should be doing, presumably because benefits are a better option. So, not only do we have this, but it must also put a massive strain on housing and infrastructure, all because for some, benefit culture is now a way of life.
'If' what I witness is a microcosm of what goes on up and down the country (And we're only a very small town), the UK must be very rich to be able to fund so many doing so little.
Nope, not just you at all. Near to us are several streets, on which 'Benefits Street', and all the other similar programmes could be filmed. However our 'new' estate, now has what I would guess 20%ish of Polish families, who seem able to run a car, rent a house, have children, and find work to pay for all this.Over the road from us is a block of flats. Most of the occupants are of working age yet do not work, instead they drink, some do drugs and the public services are always there (police, ambulances etc.)
Yet, I also see eastern European men of working age walking to work early in the morning, and when they finish, playing football with their kids in the park.
How can we have austerity when we are able to fund so many to do nothing all day and have to bring workers from other countries to do the jobs that the feckless indigenous population refuse to, and should be doing, presumably because benefits are a better option. So, not only do we have this, but it must also put a massive strain on housing and infrastructure, all because for some, benefit culture is now a way of life.
'If' what I witness is a microcosm of what goes on up and down the country (And we're only a very small town), the UK must be very rich to be able to fund so many doing so little.
Mr2Mike said:
Atomic12C said:
I am hoping that most people are of sound mind to link together the fact the the UK has had to endure a long period of austerity is because of the previous Labour government.
Unfortunately people have short and very selective memories.We all know you can get into significant personal debt buying a car in about 5 minutes, and "feel" benefit from it for say a year or so, then realise you'll be paying for the car over many years to come (say at least 3). Labour were in for what...13 years. So if we scale up the personal model, that's probably 39 years+ to correct the debt.
You can go through that. They'll agree with it all. 100% behind it. And still say we should be out of debt because it's more than a year since a government got in.
Munter said:
Mr2Mike said:
Atomic12C said:
I am hoping that most people are of sound mind to link together the fact the the UK has had to endure a long period of austerity is because of the previous Labour government.
Unfortunately people have short and very selective memories.We all know you can get into significant personal debt buying a car in about 5 minutes, and "feel" benefit from it for say a year or so, then realise you'll be paying for the car over many years to come (say at least 3). Labour were in for what...13 years. So if we scale up the personal model, that's probably 39 years+ to correct the debt.
You can go through that. They'll agree with it all. 100% behind it. And still say we should be out of debt because it's more than a year since a government got in.
It will take decades to make any impact not a few years.
superlightr said:
agree. Its amazing isn't it. National debt and the increase will take generations to reduce - so easy to increase by an incompetent Labour govt. With the BBC and Labour saying enough of restraint lets go back to spend spend and feking spend other peoples money after a few years it is madness. Diane and her grasp of numbers - ffs.
It will take decades to make any impact not a few years.
I did think there was a massive irony in the enthusiasm of the younger generation for things like getting rid of tuition fees, and raising taxes for higher earners, when many of those enthusiasts will end up being the ones paying for it down the line.It will take decades to make any impact not a few years.
Munter said:
Yep. People complain that 12 months into a new government, everything they wanted has not happened. We're not dealing with a clever well educated population. Most people are thick. You have to lead them very slowly to obvious conclusions. And you have to do it over and over again because they are too thick to remember.
We all know you can get into significant personal debt buying a car in about 5 minutes, and "feel" benefit from it for say a year or so, then realise you'll be paying for the car over many years to come (say at least 3). Labour were in for what...13 years. So if we scale up the personal model, that's probably 39 years+ to correct the debt.
You can go through that. They'll agree with it all. 100% behind it. And still say we should be out of debt because it's more than a year since a government got in.
Countries are not subject to the same restrictions that people or commercial concerns are however. And the sooner we get a government (of any persuasion) in that realises that the UK is not a tea shop in Whitby that has to balance the books, the better off we'll all be. We all know you can get into significant personal debt buying a car in about 5 minutes, and "feel" benefit from it for say a year or so, then realise you'll be paying for the car over many years to come (say at least 3). Labour were in for what...13 years. So if we scale up the personal model, that's probably 39 years+ to correct the debt.
You can go through that. They'll agree with it all. 100% behind it. And still say we should be out of debt because it's more than a year since a government got in.
TTwiggy said:
Countries are not subject to the same restrictions that people or commercial concerns are however. And the sooner we get a government (of any persuasion) in that realises that the UK is not a tea shop in Whitby that has to balance the books, the better off we'll all be.
What level of deficit is acceptable in your view?andymadmak said:
TTwiggy said:
Countries are not subject to the same restrictions that people or commercial concerns are however. And the sooner we get a government (of any persuasion) in that realises that the UK is not a tea shop in Whitby that has to balance the books, the better off we'll all be.
What level of deficit is acceptable in your view?TTwiggy said:
andymadmak said:
TTwiggy said:
Countries are not subject to the same restrictions that people or commercial concerns are however. And the sooner we get a government (of any persuasion) in that realises that the UK is not a tea shop in Whitby that has to balance the books, the better off we'll all be.
What level of deficit is acceptable in your view?And when all these investments haven't added anything to the economy and interest repayments are greater then our welfare state that'll be a great proposition.
John145 said:
Wow that is an amazing view to hold.
And when all these investments haven't added anything to the economy and interest repayments are greater then our welfare state that'll be a great proposition.
Doesn't matter. A country like the UK is not a small business that needs to get its books balanced. 1) you never will balance them and 2) you don't need to. That 'there's no money left' note that Labour left was either a clever joke by the person who wrote it (unlikely) or the person who wrote it – and the incoming Conservative government who read it – didn't understand that there's always more money.And when all these investments haven't added anything to the economy and interest repayments are greater then our welfare state that'll be a great proposition.
TTwiggy said:
That's not really the question that matters. That sort of question is only relevant to individuals and corporations. Countries do not operate on the same level. If 'things' are needed, they should be paid for. If a new road or rail network would improve the economy (for instance), then build it. Debt is not an issue for a country.
That sounds like BBC speak in support of Labour borrowspunkfestering.The annual cost of interest on UK debt is around £40 billion which is approx 3% of GDP and getting on for 10% of tax receipts iirc.
Forget the bus, that's 500 new hospitals built. Or better still build fewer and staff/equip them well.
Or cut around 6.5p in the pound across income tax rates not just the basic rate (1p~£6bn).
Of course debt is an issue for a country. Problems of debt aren't binary...granted there's no precise rule for when debt becomes a serious problem but it's a problem as it has to be serviced and ultimately repaid which prevents other uses of the money, and even inflating away GDP denominated debt takes time - during that period working people and families will continue to pay the price.
While the UK is well-placed in having a long average maturity, we have a lot of inflation-linked debt. At worst it will go along the lines of inflate, stagnate, default.
andymadmak said:
I can't see how the BBC could have stopped him tbh. He should not have done it but unless the BBC had prior knowledge of his intent then it's hard to blame them.
I was more irked by BBC news this morning spouting that the current slowing of the rate of increase in life expectancy was due to austerity since 2010 (and possibly due to dementia, but this was very much a second thought)
No analysis of the fact that the higher rate of improvements in life expectancy over the past 20 years might have been due at least in part to the largely "one off" factors such as the reduction of the % of population that smokes, reduction of people involved in mining, improved lifestyle (fitness etc) health awareness, improvements in medical procedures...
Nah, austerity...
It makes a change from the BBC always blaming Brexit or global warming. I was more irked by BBC news this morning spouting that the current slowing of the rate of increase in life expectancy was due to austerity since 2010 (and possibly due to dementia, but this was very much a second thought)
No analysis of the fact that the higher rate of improvements in life expectancy over the past 20 years might have been due at least in part to the largely "one off" factors such as the reduction of the % of population that smokes, reduction of people involved in mining, improved lifestyle (fitness etc) health awareness, improvements in medical procedures...
Nah, austerity...
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