Megaupload down, 7 charged with online piracy
Discussion
roachcoach said:
Kermit power said:
There's plenty of legal sources for streamed and downloaded media, and no excuse for illegal downloading any more than there is for any other crime.
I assume you're not an anime fan then?roachcoach said:
Or ever had a problem with media?
I did once, yes. I bought some tracks off MSN Music where the background supplier disappeared, and I now can't get the DRM certificates for them. Yes, I could use this as a pathetic excuse to justify a crime, or alternatively I could do what I did, which is to go and use Amazon instead, where there is no DRM to worry about.roachcoach said:
IMO, the product released by dubious groups currently exceeds the quality of the legitimate goods. That should never be allowed to happen.
Furthermore, the fact that sites like these file lockers prosper demonstrate that people will pay for the content in the form they want it.
The market is there, the consumer will is there right now the suppliers are dropping the ball big time and litigating instead of innovating.
Now, I admit, they're slowly getting it, but too little and [arguably] too late. Instead of driving forward, they're now swimming against the tide. But then, these industries have opposed technology at every new development, finally give in and make massive profits from it in the end....so this should not be a surprise.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
These fools must think they're in Groundhog Day.
Whilst it might be frustrating, it's no excuse for stealing the stuff. Do you seriously believe people only pirate stuff they can't download legally from the likes of Amazon without DRM restrictions to potentially cause them problems in the future? Of course they don't. It's just another excuse for people who don't want to admit to themselves that they're breaking the law because they don't want to pay a miserable 79p or whatever to download a track.Furthermore, the fact that sites like these file lockers prosper demonstrate that people will pay for the content in the form they want it.
The market is there, the consumer will is there right now the suppliers are dropping the ball big time and litigating instead of innovating.
Now, I admit, they're slowly getting it, but too little and [arguably] too late. Instead of driving forward, they're now swimming against the tide. But then, these industries have opposed technology at every new development, finally give in and make massive profits from it in the end....so this should not be a surprise.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
These fools must think they're in Groundhog Day.
As I said on another thread, it's no different to refusing to pay for a ticket on a train that isn't full.
"I wouldn't have bought the music anyway if I'd had to pay for it". Equally, you could've walked/cycled/hitch-hiked instead of catching the train if you'd been forced to pay for it. It's just a case of saying "it's more convenient for me to break the law, so why shouldn't I?"
"It's only a download of 0s and 1s. It doesn't stop anyone else buying it, and it's not stealing anything tangible". Equally, "the train was going there anyway, so it didn't cost them anything for me to travel for free, and it wasn't full, so I wasn't taking a seat from a fare-paying passenger". This is perfectly true. However, if all the passengers stopped paying for the train, how long do you think the trains would keep running for? Why do you think musicians will be able to continue recording music if they're not getting paid for it?
Kermit power said:
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My point was that people are PAYING for locker sites - ergo its not an unwillingness to pay, so we must look elsewhere for reasons.Don't view my point as justifying piracy - I'm questioning why there is even a market at all. And it must be more than finance based reasons. People are telling the industry what the want, they have been for YEARS and ever so slowly...they're gradually getting it.
As for the anime - its a well known topic and source of frustration, granted more on series than films - it IS a significant issue in that genre.
Edited by roachcoach on Friday 20th January 09:13
miniman said:
jonnydrama said:
miniman said:
What's the story?
What a delightful specimen.
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There go's his cars, ouch...
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What a prick.
roachcoach said:
My point was that people are PAYING for locker sites - ergo its not an unwillingness to pay, so we must look elsewhere for reasons.
Don't view my point as justifying piracy - I'm questioning why there is even a market at all. And it must be more than finance based reasons. People are telling the industry what the want, they have been for YEARS and ever so slowly...they're gradually getting it.
I don't doubt there are some fringe areas such as Anime which have a small but ardent following that isn't well served, but the vast majority of pirating in mainstream, blockbuster stuff where this isn't a valid argument.Don't view my point as justifying piracy - I'm questioning why there is even a market at all. And it must be more than finance based reasons. People are telling the industry what the want, they have been for YEARS and ever so slowly...they're gradually getting it.
Kermit power said:
roachcoach said:
My point was that people are PAYING for locker sites - ergo its not an unwillingness to pay, so we must look elsewhere for reasons.
Don't view my point as justifying piracy - I'm questioning why there is even a market at all. And it must be more than finance based reasons. People are telling the industry what the want, they have been for YEARS and ever so slowly...they're gradually getting it.
I don't doubt there are some fringe areas such as Anime which have a small but ardent following that isn't well served, but the vast majority of pirating in mainstream, blockbuster stuff where this isn't a valid argument.Don't view my point as justifying piracy - I'm questioning why there is even a market at all. And it must be more than finance based reasons. People are telling the industry what the want, they have been for YEARS and ever so slowly...they're gradually getting it.
People are paying for a service, probably not much more than say....a netflix sub. Rapidshare is just under 10 euros for 30 days, netflix is £6, so its close enough.
So cost is clearly out - there must, therefore, be other factors [from the top of my head]:
-Availability
-Spite (unlikely imo)
-Habit/unaware of new legal options, remember these are legal avenues are new against the timelines in question
-Product legally available doesn't meet requirements
-Convenience/reliability
-Not tied to a source
There are probably more reasons than this, but given the price points, the massive proliferation of locker sites...there's much more to this than "gimme mah freebeeze and warezzzzzzz".
Of course, these are questions the industry should be asking - why are customers not taking up the easier, cheaper legal alternates? Why are they risking viruses/legal sanction etc etc?
It's obviously not all about money, although that IS all the industry talk about so I can see why people fixate on it.
Edited by roachcoach on Friday 20th January 10:02
I buy a DVD/Blu Ray and I want that film on my phone as well, but the disc is copy protected which prevents me from ripping it to my phone, then what?
I buy a CD and want to play it on my computer, but the CD has computer scrambling protection, and cannot be played on a computer, then what?
It's easier to just download and do what you want with the music and film.
I buy a CD and want to play it on my computer, but the CD has computer scrambling protection, and cannot be played on a computer, then what?
It's easier to just download and do what you want with the music and film.
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