North Korea - how serious should we take them?
Discussion
Cobnapint said:
The problem I have with this is - NK has arrested a foreign national for trying to nick a bit of memorabilia, and returned him to his nation state as a cabbage with a lame excuse as to how he got like that.
If any other country did that there'd be all round international condemnation and the f
king balloon would go up. But as it's NK, shoulders are shrugged and it gets passed of as 'he should have known better' and 'thats what they do'.
fk me. The US had grounds to blow that to pieces over this, and I hope one day they will.
Exactly. Fatty seems to be Mr Teflon in the international community.If any other country did that there'd be all round international condemnation and the f
king balloon would go up. But as it's NK, shoulders are shrugged and it gets passed of as 'he should have known better' and 'thats what they do'.f
k me. The US had grounds to blow that to pieces over this, and I hope one day they will.
The Donald seems to have given up on China fixing NK to his satisfaction
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/8772341...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/8772341...
And so he should, it was a long shot anyway, China were always just going to pay lip service - they always do.
So now we have to (rather stupidly) wait. NK is getting all the missile testing it possibly can in while his own technical people (and a few from abroad no doubt) get on with the task of shrinking his existing warhead down that'll fit on the end. This warhead won't be tested until the very last minute (he knows the US won't attack while he's just firing metal tubes into the sea).
When he does test it, and if it produces a reasonable yield, it'll be too late.
Let me just say that again. TOO. LATE.
So now we have to (rather stupidly) wait. NK is getting all the missile testing it possibly can in while his own technical people (and a few from abroad no doubt) get on with the task of shrinking his existing warhead down that'll fit on the end. This warhead won't be tested until the very last minute (he knows the US won't attack while he's just firing metal tubes into the sea).
When he does test it, and if it produces a reasonable yield, it'll be too late.
Let me just say that again. TOO. LATE.
Cobnapint said:
TOO. LATE.
It's hard for the layman to fully understand the sheer firepower the USA have , i was reading that just 10 b2 spirit bombers could wipe out all of NK's nuclear and missile infrastructure , they could then send in a barrage of 1000+ cruise to mop-up , imagine a full-scale US attack! .
Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 21st June 09:25
Tonberry said:
How serious should be take North Korea? Not very.
They're just the latest in a long line of convenient bogeymen for the West.
I have no doubt that NK has nuclear capability but what purpose would it serve to utilise it?
Kim has a good thing going whereby his citizens are well behaved and aren't in danger of starting an uprising. Whipping up patriotic sentiment and posturing on the world stage is a great way to keep the people on side whilst giving them something to focus on rather than the troubles present in domestic policy. We should know, both the US and UK are guilty of exactly the same.
Expanding military capability is just something that all nations do as it is widely considered to be an important barometer of global pecking order.
Careful, this thread is about "Fatty" and how he is an imminent danger to global security (no evidence for this, of course), and how we need to turn NK into a parking lot at once.They're just the latest in a long line of convenient bogeymen for the West.
I have no doubt that NK has nuclear capability but what purpose would it serve to utilise it?
Kim has a good thing going whereby his citizens are well behaved and aren't in danger of starting an uprising. Whipping up patriotic sentiment and posturing on the world stage is a great way to keep the people on side whilst giving them something to focus on rather than the troubles present in domestic policy. We should know, both the US and UK are guilty of exactly the same.
Expanding military capability is just something that all nations do as it is widely considered to be an important barometer of global pecking order.
Take your reasoned, logical posts elsewhere please.
superkartracer said:
It's hard for the layman to fully understand the sheer firepower the USA have , i was reading that just 10 b2 spirit bombers could wipe out all of NK's nuclear and missile infrastructure , they could then send in a barrage of 1000+ cruise to mop-up , imagine a full-scale US attack! .
Is that still valid if Fatty has succeeded in nuking the USA first ?Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 21st June 09:25
Robertj21a said:
superkartracer said:
It's hard for the layman to fully understand the sheer firepower the USA have , i was reading that just 10 b2 spirit bombers could wipe out all of NK's nuclear and missile infrastructure , they could then send in a barrage of 1000+ cruise to mop-up , imagine a full-scale US attack! .
Is that still valid if Fatty has succeeded in nuking the USA first ?Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 21st June 09:25
The major cities in South Korea would be annihilated in short order if the USA attack. That's the only reason it hasn't happened yet.
That bomber looks impressive, but as we have seen in the middle east, these large ordnance loads mean sweet FA in the big picture long term, if the political will is there on the ground you are into a long bloody ground war, especially so with the mentality you find in that part of the world with a well controlled brainwashing program.
The only way to solve this is if China agree to do nothing, sit on their hands and don't support NK if things kick off, otherwise it will be Vietnam MK2.
That bomber looks impressive, but as we have seen in the middle east, these large ordnance loads mean sweet FA in the big picture long term, if the political will is there on the ground you are into a long bloody ground war, especially so with the mentality you find in that part of the world with a well controlled brainwashing program.
The only way to solve this is if China agree to do nothing, sit on their hands and don't support NK if things kick off, otherwise it will be Vietnam MK2.
jsf said:
The major cities in South Korea would be annihilated in short order if the USA attack. That's the only reason it hasn't happened yet.
This is the problemForget the nuclear toys
Fattys artillery could cause 40,000 casualties within 1 hour of an attack, indiscriminate shelling of towns and cities in the south with conventional shells. Id bet he has plenty of chemical/bio shells too.
He does what he likes as he knows we wont touch him.
He is not bothered about his own people, if sanctions mean they starve then so be it.
If we knock him off his perch then South Korea and China will have a massive influx of millions of starving refugees.
superkartracer said:
It's hard for the layman to fully understand the sheer firepower the USA have , i was reading that just 10 b2 spirit bombers could wipe out all of NK's nuclear and missile infrastructure , they could then send in a barrage of 1000+ cruise to mop-up , imagine a full-scale US attack! .
The fact that the US tried to do that before is the reason for these issues - repeating what happened from the 50's isn't going to help anybody!Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 21st June 09:25
eta - https://theintercept.com/2017/05/03/why-do-north-k...
Cobnapint said:
The problem I have with this is - NK has arrested a foreign national for trying to nick a bit of memorabilia, and returned him to his nation state as a cabbage with a lame excuse as to how he got like that.
If any other country did that there'd be all round international condemnation and the fking balloon would go up. But as it's NK, shoulders are shrugged and it gets passed of as 'he should have known better' and 'thats what they do'.
fk me. The US had grounds to blow that to pieces over this, and I hope one day they will.
Thing is he isn't the first one - so if he wasn't used as some pawn by NK to cause a stir then he must have been pretty bloody stupid to have done what he did. A lot of other tourists have received some pretty harsh punishments for "crimes" they have committed in NK.If any other country did that there'd be all round international condemnation and the f
king balloon would go up. But as it's NK, shoulders are shrugged and it gets passed of as 'he should have known better' and 'thats what they do'.f
k me. The US had grounds to blow that to pieces over this, and I hope one day they will.I honestly wonder why anyone bothers going there.
As a country it fascinates me, but as much as I would like to visit I have issue funding an oppressive regime.
Every tourist that visits is essentially putting money directly into the coffers of the DPRK, funding the regime and helping to maintain the oppression of 23 millions people for their own entertainment and niche holiday bragging rights.
Tourist travel to NK should be banned, and anyone who does visit needs to know they are outside of the protection of their government. It would go someway to preventing stuff like this in the future and it would cut off another revenue stream for the DPRK.
moustachebandit said:
Cobnapint said:
The problem I have with this is - NK has arrested a foreign national for trying to nick a bit of memorabilia, and returned him to his nation state as a cabbage with a lame excuse as to how he got like that.
If any other country did that there'd be all round international condemnation and the fking balloon would go up. But as it's NK, shoulders are shrugged and it gets passed of as 'he should have known better' and 'thats what they do'.
fk me. The US had grounds to blow that to pieces over this, and I hope one day they will.
Thing is he isn't the first one - so if he wasn't used as some pawn by NK to cause a stir then he must have been pretty bloody stupid to have done what he did. A lot of other tourists have received some pretty harsh punishments for "crimes" they have committed in NK.If any other country did that there'd be all round international condemnation and the f
king balloon would go up. But as it's NK, shoulders are shrugged and it gets passed of as 'he should have known better' and 'thats what they do'.f
k me. The US had grounds to blow that to pieces over this, and I hope one day they will.I honestly wonder why anyone bothers going there.
As a country it fascinates me, but as much as I would like to visit I have issue funding an oppressive regime.
Every tourist that visits is essentially putting money directly into the coffers of the DPRK, funding the regime and helping to maintain the oppression of 23 millions people for their own entertainment and niche holiday bragging rights.
Tourist travel to NK should be banned, and anyone who does visit needs to know they are outside of the protection of their government. It would go someway to preventing stuff like this in the future and it would cut off another revenue stream for the DPRK.
moustachebandit said:
and helping to maintain the oppression of 23 millions people for their own entertainment and niche holiday bragging rights.
It helps to understand the NK situation if you realise that before the US came along, Korea was a single country who had already worked out their pre-occupation socialist state.It was the US that divided them, brutally put down the socialists in the south and killed 5 million of them in the war.
You also need to realise that part of the 'oppression' is caused by continuous US sanctions and constant threats which have caused them to spend far more on their own defence that they would have needed to.
Criticising NK is really a very sad exercise in 'blame the victim' borne from ignorance or sadism.
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