UK General Election 2015

[Zod]

ralphrj said:

Vaud said:

Hmm.

What would be the bargaining tool for a coalition for keeping Trident? A second referendum for devolution in 2017?

I caught an interview with an SNP spokesman this morning on Radio 4 where the Trident issue was raised.

The SNP spokesman said that whilst the SNP would never vote for the renewal of nuclear weapons there was little they could do in reality as the Conservatives could vote with Labour to push it through.

Possibly it would happen like this:

Labour minority government with SNP support pass a Finance Act (i.e. a budget) with no mention of Trident.

Labour minority government then bring a separate act specifically on the subject of Trident and it is passed with Tory support.

There would have to be some fudge to provide funding for Trident outside of the usual budget/Finance Act but I imagine something could be cobbled together.

If I were Sturgeon, I'd insist on a Trident vote before the budget and make support of the budget conditional on paying of the Trident vote. That's the kind of scummy arrangement that awaits us.

[McWigglebum4th]

Guam said:

McWigglebum4th said:

It will mostly be those who aren't overly bright or interested who will lose the right to vote

Not overly bothered

Your just hoping they are all Neds so that the SNP lose a million votes be honest

Yep

I am firmly in the belief if you don't contribute then you should not have the right to vote

[pingu393]

Bluebarge said:

Bon Appetit
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-205547/S...

It says "Produce of Scotland, Norway and Chile". Nothing to worry about. <Wibble>

[funkyrobot]

Have received the usual barrage of flyers through the door from each of my local candidates. If I'm really honest, they are all wet sponges and none of them seem worthy of my vote.

Trouble is, I don't really want to spoil my vote as it may be useful. Oh well. Decisions, decisions eh.

In relation to the local candidates. They all seem useless to me, so maybe a spoiled paper is the way forward with them.

[Foppo]

I like to see a Labour/S.N.P Coalition.Labour and Tory have no strength in Scotland.Not another 5 years of Tory/Lib ruling this Island please.

Scotland will be independent in the future and whilst we are at it a United Ireland wouldn't be to bad..

[eatcustard]

Foppo said:

I like to see a Labour/S.N.P Coalition.Labour and Tory have no strength in Scotland.Not another 5 years of Tory/Lib ruling this Island please.

Scotland will be independent in the future and whilst we are at it a United Ireland wouldn't be to bad..

Labour/SNP will destroy England and cost us south of the border ££££££££££, but it would kill off Labour in the long run

[McWigglebum4th]

eatcustard said:

Foppo said:

I like to see a Labour/S.N.P Coalition.Labour and Tory have no strength in Scotland.Not another 5 years of Tory/Lib ruling this Island please.

Scotland will be independent in the future and whilst we are at it a United Ireland wouldn't be to bad..

Labour/SNP will destroy England and cost us south of the border ££££££££££, but it would kill off Labour in the long run

Which is the main aim of the SNP

To wreck the economy in england

[Strocky]

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/clubb...

Very statesmenlike from Panface, if the state is North Korea

[McWigglebum4th]

Strocky said:

http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/clubb...

Very statesmenlike from Panface, if the state is North Korea

Isn't north korea what the SNP model scotland on


Now try and get this into your tiny weeny mind

THE TREATMENT OF JOURNALISTS BY THE TORY PARTY IN SCOTLAND IS IDENTICAL TO THE TREATMENT THEY WOULD GET IN ENGLAND

Do you understand this

SCOTLAND IS NOT A SPECIAL CASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I know you belive that everyone hates Scotland

But that is not the case

But keep going and the majority of england will hate you

[Targarama]

If the Conservatives get more seats at the election, do they get first dibs at forming a coalition? Then if they can't Labour gets a chance to try and form a coalition?

[confused_buyer]

Targarama said:

If the Conservatives get more seats at the election, do they get first dibs at forming a coalition? Then if they can't Labour gets a chance to try and form a coalition?

Technically speaking, as they are still in Government then yes. Cameron has to go to the Palace and say that he can't form a Government and recommend to HMQ that she ask Mr Miliband to do so for Miliband to get his technical go.

Cameron can still remain PM and current Ministers in their post until they decide they can't form a Government (as Brown did in 2010) or push on regarldless and get voted down in a vote of confidence.

[anonymous-user]

This sums up my current views pretty well:

"Politics is now a shouting match of absurd personalities"

[loafer123]

eatcustard said:

Labour/SNP will destroy England and cost us south of the border ££££££££££, but it would kill off Labour in the long run

That's what we thought last time but voters are too stupid to remember.

[anonymous-user]

McWigglebum4th said:

But keep going and the majority of england will hate you

This is clearly SNP plan b. IMO They have played an absolute blinder. Sturgeon knows that this pretend cosying up to Labour is toxic in England, nothing more she would love than a Tory majority with no MP's in an almost universally SNP Scotland; the Union would simply be untenable. Even Labour supporters are not so thick as to realise that in any negotiation, Sturgeon will pull Little Ed's pants down at English tax payers expense. A minority Labour government with SNP holding the balance of power would arguably be even better in terms of free money, with independence postponed a while longer. Assuming the SNP get the results they are currently polling they are on to a winner. I have absolutely no idea why the Tories want to keep Scotland

[l354uge]

fblm said:

This is clearly SNP plan b. IMO They have played an absolute blinder. Sturgeon knows that this pretend cosying up to Labour is toxic in England, nothing more she would love than a Tory majority with no MP's in an almost universally SNP Scotland; the Union would simply be untenable. Even Labour supporters are not so thick as to realise that in any negotiation, Sturgeon will pull Little Ed's pants down at English tax payers expense. A minority Labour government with SNP holding the balance of power would arguably be even better in terms of free money, with independence postponed a while longer. Assuming the SNP get the results they are currently polling they are on to a winner. I have absolutely no idea why the Tories want to keep Scotland

I really wish the scots had left now.
Labour would be screwed in the UK, we could continue on the path to recovery while Scotland finally found out what its like to not be propped up by us at a time when their best exports tumbled in price.
UK probably could of bought Edinburgh off them for 50p in 10 years....

[anonymous-user]

l354uge said:

I really wish the scots had left now.
Labour would be screwed in the UK, we could continue on the path to recovery while Scotland finally found out what its like to not be propped up by us at a time when their best exports tumbled in price.
UK probably could of bought Edinburgh off them for 50p in 10 years....

IMO Scotlands secession is now a given, the only real question is how much money you throw at them in the mean time.

[hidetheelephants]

Symbolica said:

This sums up my current views pretty well:

"Politics is now a shouting match of absurd personalities"

Barclaygraph said:

...as our system shifts away from two-and-a-half-party politics, the opportunity is amplified for small, characterful parties to tear our executive off course.

The problem is significantly one of the two-and-a-half parties not having a clear course between them; if the electorate were presented with 2+1/2 clear courses as once was normal, perhaps the small parties might have found it difficult if not impossible to gain traction. Instead we have 2.5 bald men fighting over the comb of the centre ground, with the winners not quite sure what to do with it once wrested from the opposition.

[anonymous-user]

hidetheelephants said:

Instead we have 2.5 bald men fighting over the comb of the centre ground, with the winners not quite sure what to do with it once wrested from the opposition.

Brilliant!

[MiniMan64]

All this talk of polls with the Tories and Labour equal on 34/35 points, does it actually mean anything?

I presume the points refer to the percentage of popular vote? But how is that even relevant when it's winning seats not percentage of the vote that counts?

[anonymous-user]

MiniMan64 said:

All this talk of polls with the Tories and Labour equal on 34/35 points, does it actually mean anything?

I presume the points refer to the percentage of popular vote? But how is that even relevant when it's winning seats not percentage of the vote that counts?

Portillo has said a few times on This Week that having an equal share of the vote is bad news for the Tories as they'll get fewer seats out of it than Labour will. I'm not sure how the permutations stack up with all of the marginals though.