UK General Election 2015

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Esseesse

8,969 posts

206 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Why is Cameron warning that Labour would mean a return to open door immigration? What the hell does he think we have now?

chris watton

22,477 posts

258 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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I am as likely to vote for Cameron as I am Miliband, as in not at all.

A vote for both, in my view, is a vote for just more future EU legislation - it is obvious they have their collective hands tied in this regard, they're just too scared to explain this to the voting public.

Halb

53,012 posts

181 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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I have no independents on my ticket. So....
It's a labour stronghold but the majority has been whittled away everytime. My MP is a useless chunt.
Green or UKiPs...I'll look at some stats. biggrin

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

196 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Guam said:
Welshbeef said:
Who did you vote for?
Not Davesmile
Well our votes net off so whoever you voted for your not getting nor am I smile.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

196 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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funkyrobot said:
Welshbeef said:
I've voted.

Conservative no question
Did you? Or is this another one of your stories?

smile
It's in the post so any retarded question can you take a pic of it and post up to prove Custard test isn't going to happen.

However feel free to custard test your postal vote

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

196 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Well just in the news HSBC is seriously looking to move its HQ out of London and out of the UK party due to the bank levy which last year cost them £750m which is increasing from 0.156% to 0.21% already announced in the budget. This change on like for like would mean this year it would be £1.01billion for 2015/16.

So if it leaves the Labour Party are aiming to increase the bank levy even further.... Possibly enough to push them over the edge and go (also said they are concerned about possible EU exit).


So labours fully costed plans will have to be revised and assume no HSBC and a hole of £1billon plus whatever extra they intend to add to that.....
Guess labour supporters will think they are bluffing or not understand what it means.



Bluebarge

4,519 posts

176 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Well just in the news HSBC is seriously looking to move its HQ out of London and out of the UK party due to the bank levy which last year cost them £750m which is increasing from 0.156% to 0.21% already announced in the budget. This change on like for like would mean this year it would be £1.01billion for 2015/16.

So if it leaves the Labour Party are aiming to increase the bank levy even further.... Possibly enough to push them over the edge and go (also said they are concerned about possible EU exit).


So labours fully costed plans will have to be revised and assume no HSBC and a hole of £1billon plus whatever extra they intend to add to that.....
Guess labour supporters will think they are bluffing or not understand what it means.
Rather selective reporting there WB. HSBC actually said one of the greatest factors for a potential exit was the uncertain business environment caused by a potential Brexit following the EU referendum. So the HSBC review of their options is more down to Tory policy.

pingu393

7,563 posts

203 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Every election from now on will be more and more interesting as social media (such as this) allows individuals to be influenced by potentially thousands of opinions.

Pre-internet, I would only have been influenced by parents, friends, workmates, newspapers and a bit of telly. Double figures and most would have been the same or similar. The few dissenters would have been shouted down and not been heard, or ignored for being "one of them".

Now there are hundreds of varying opinions all with a voice that can be read. The days of being able to pin a rosette on a donkey to get people to vote for them are gone - and that must scare the politicians stless smile.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

196 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Bluebarge said:
Welshbeef said:
Well just in the news HSBC is seriously looking to move its HQ out of London and out of the UK party due to the bank levy which last year cost them £750m which is increasing from 0.156% to 0.21% already announced in the budget. This change on like for like would mean this year it would be £1.01billion for 2015/16.

So if it leaves the Labour Party are aiming to increase the bank levy even further.... Possibly enough to push them over the edge and go (also said they are concerned about possible EU exit).


So labours fully costed plans will have to be revised and assume no HSBC and a hole of £1billon plus whatever extra they intend to add to that.....
Guess labour supporters will think they are bluffing or not understand what it means.
Rather selective reporting there WB. HSBC actually said one of the greatest factors for a potential exit was the uncertain business environment caused by a potential Brexit following the EU referendum. So the HSBC review of their options is more down to Tory policy.
I included that in the post - however the press statement doesn't say the greatest factor was an EU exit nice attempt at spinning there wink

Scuffers

20,887 posts

272 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Bluebarge said:
Welshbeef said:
Well just in the news HSBC is seriously looking to move its HQ out of London and out of the UK party due to the bank levy which last year cost them £750m which is increasing from 0.156% to 0.21% already announced in the budget. This change on like for like would mean this year it would be £1.01billion for 2015/16.

So if it leaves the Labour Party are aiming to increase the bank levy even further.... Possibly enough to push them over the edge and go (also said they are concerned about possible EU exit).


So labours fully costed plans will have to be revised and assume no HSBC and a hole of £1billon plus whatever extra they intend to add to that.....
Guess labour supporters will think they are bluffing or not understand what it means.
Rather selective reporting there WB. HSBC actually said one of the greatest factors for a potential exit was the uncertain business environment caused by a potential Brexit following the EU referendum. So the HSBC review of their options is more down to Tory policy.
I included that in the post - however the press statement doesn't say the greatest factor was an EU exit nice attempt at spinning there wink
and since when is Hong Kong in the EU?

I imagine they are eyeing up what new banking levies and taxes are being dreamed up both here and in the EU

JagLover

42,038 posts

233 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Esseesse said:
Why is Cameron warning that Labour would mean a return to open door immigration? What the hell does he think we have now?
Without all the changes the Tories introduced immigration could easily be hundreds of thousands more a year than it is now.

Only scrapping the human rights act and changing the terms of our membership of the EU would bring it down to 1990s levels it is true but it could easily be very much higher under Labour.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

133 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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JagLover said:
Without all the changes the Tories introduced immigration could easily be hundreds of thousands more a year than it is now.

Only scrapping the human rights act and changing the terms of our membership of the EU would bring it down to 1990s levels it is true but it could easily be very much higher under Labour.
Hundreds of thousands a year? Care to support that claim with informstion on these Tory laws that are stopping us from sinking under the weight of such vast numbers?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

196 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Scuffers said:
and since when is Hong Kong in the EU?

I imagine they are eyeing up what new banking levies and taxes are being dreamed up both here and in the EU
Who said it was?

That is one possible location of it moves it's HQ

JagLover

42,038 posts

233 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Axionknight said:
Hundreds of thousands a year? Care to support that claim with informstion on these Tory laws that are stopping us from sinking under the weight of such vast numbers?
Labour opened the floodgates with stealth changes that wouldn't draw notice.

Student Visas became a popular way to bypass immigration controls with the "student" often staying on to work and then achieve residency. These were often not university students, but those entering colleges or foreign language colleges that were often bogus. Tightening up the criteria led to a 46% reduction in the numbers from overseas entering those institutions.

Almost as soon as Labour came to power it abolished the "primary purpose" rule which tried to prevent those who sought to use family reunification VISAs to bypass immigration controls. It terms of long term migration family reunification VISAs are very important as by default those using them are here to stay. The Tories brought in a minimum income requirement of £18,600 in order to sponsor such an application that has had a significant impact on numbers.

Labours "highly skilled" immigration VISAs had tens of thousands a year who wouldn't have met any such description under an Australian style points system. It included numerous people who ended up working in kebab shops, Taxi firms, petrol stations, newsagents etc. Changes made by the Tories increased the number refused VISAs under this regime from 2 per cent to 37 per cent.

Labour's approach was basically to facilitate mass migration while having the pretence of controls being in place. There are genuine controls now but a drastic shift would be required to fully curtail mass migration.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

272 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Scuffers said:
and since when is Hong Kong in the EU?

I imagine they are eyeing up what new banking levies and taxes are being dreamed up both here and in the EU
Who said it was?

That is one possible location of it moves it's HQ
OK, name the other options?

Singapore is about the only other one, and it's arguably not a big enough financial centre.

realistically, they choice is almost certainly going to be HK of they do actually jump ship.

if they do, say goodbye to some £3Bn tax revenue and on top of that the loss of city jobs associated with it (and all their tax money).

Apparently, Standard Chartered are looking to jump ship too, nothing to do with Brexit.


Mojocvh

16,837 posts

260 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Zod said:
Guam said:
Zod said:
Look, it's a bit of a rubbish policy, but the HAs will be compensated, so it's hardly confiscation. It's also a minor thing, unlike the Labour and SNP plans to borrow their way to another big bust.
Its no different to land grabs by countries like zimbabwe where the owners are paid "compensation"

Its redistribution of wealth is it not?

Are you really going to keep deluding yourself that there are no Marxist principles in this policy?
You are being silly. The compensation will not be Zimbabwe style. You know that. It is not remotely Marxist to offer social housing tenants the right to buy the properties in which they live at a subsidised price.
But it is immoral.

edh

3,498 posts

267 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Well just in the news HSBC is seriously looking to move its HQ out of London and out of the UK party due to the bank levy which last year cost them £750m which is increasing from 0.156% to 0.21% already announced in the budget. This change on like for like would mean this year it would be £1.01billion for 2015/16.

So if it leaves the Labour Party are aiming to increase the bank levy even further.... Possibly enough to push them over the edge and go (also said they are concerned about possible EU exit).


So labours fully costed plans will have to be revised and assume no HSBC and a hole of £1billon plus whatever extra they intend to add to that.....
Guess labour supporters will think they are bluffing or not understand what it means.
But the Tory plans won't need to be revised to account for this prospect?

It's all a game of bluff anyway - where would they go?

Bluebarge

4,519 posts

176 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Bluebarge said:
Welshbeef said:
Well just in the news HSBC is seriously looking to move its HQ out of London and out of the UK party due to the bank levy which last year cost them £750m which is increasing from 0.156% to 0.21% already announced in the budget. This change on like for like would mean this year it would be £1.01billion for 2015/16.

So if it leaves the Labour Party are aiming to increase the bank levy even further.... Possibly enough to push them over the edge and go (also said they are concerned about possible EU exit).


So labours fully costed plans will have to be revised and assume no HSBC and a hole of £1billon plus whatever extra they intend to add to that.....
Guess labour supporters will think they are bluffing or not understand what it means.
Rather selective reporting there WB. HSBC actually said one of the greatest factors for a potential exit was the uncertain business environment caused by a potential Brexit following the EU referendum. So the HSBC review of their options is more down to Tory policy.
I included that in the post - however the press statement doesn't say the greatest factor was an EU exit nice attempt at spinning there wink
biggrin It's in there
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32443930
That, plus the bank levy, which was Osborne's idea smile

Salgar

3,282 posts

182 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Esseesse said:
Why is Cameron warning that Labour would mean a return to open door immigration? What the hell does he think we have now?
Erm, things have changed a huge amount in the last 5 years, it is almost impossible for a normal person coming from outside the EU to get in to the UK without holding a specific highly qualified job. I have friends trying to get out of South Africa but they can not come here anymore because all of the possible Visa types have been removed.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

260 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Salgar said:
Esseesse said:
Why is Cameron warning that Labour would mean a return to open door immigration? What the hell does he think we have now?
Erm, things have changed a huge amount in the last 5 years, it is almost impossible for a normal person coming from outside the EU to get in to the UK without holding a specific highly qualified job. I have friends trying to get out of South Africa but they can not come here anymore because all of the possible Visa types have been removed.
I think he was relating to, you know, the ones that don't play by the rules.