Jacob Rees-Mogg

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irocfan

18,305 posts

128 months

Monday 25th January 2016
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it is funny how politics works.

Leftie - "Oh you don't like Prescott/Salmond (etc etc) because of how he speaks" (ignoring the fact that several of this ilk are, in fact, turnips. I was going to say 'prize turnips' - however I rather suspect that that is setting the bar somewhat too high)

Leftie - "Oh that J RM bloke is a total tt, have you heard how he speaks?!" (ignoring the fact that the man actually has a brain, an education and is willing to use it properly)

Murph7355

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21,319 posts

194 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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handpaper said:
Can we have more descriptive thread titles, please - I clicked on the link thinking "Oh no, don't tell me he's dead, too!"
If he'd died I'd have been more descriptive smile

REALIST123 said:
rs1952 said:
dandarez said:
On Cameron's EU reforms?

'Pretty thin gruel'. (J. Rees-Mogg)

hehe
That's exactly what I mean. Not the sort of thing to appeal to the average man on the Clapham omnibus, is it?

In 2016, that average man's first thought on the Clapham omnibus would be:

"What's gruel?"

wink
Which perhaps says more about the average man than R-M?
100%. And this above all else is why this country is in deep st.

AJS-

15,366 posts

174 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Britain is very odd about class. He went to the same school as Cameron and Boris Johnson, and is arguably from a less blue blooded background than either. Or George Osborne for that matter. Yet because Cameron speaks like a CEO out of a TV drama he's somehow deemed more normal. Boris plays it very well with his paper thin 'buffoon' act and seems to get away with it. JRM seems to suffer from being who he actually is.

h8tax

411 posts

81 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Apparently referred to by his colleagues in parliament as "The Honourable Member for the 18th Century".

Splendid chap, very funny, very bright.

FiF

34,134 posts

189 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Only problem with J R-M is indeed his image, plus the way he and his family ham it up, though it's highly amusing on the rare occasions he's on Newsnight to see his highly erudite and measured comments fly straight over the heads of the audience who are, in many cases, just too thick to understand the point.
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audidoody

8,419 posts

194 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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There are not many of us who have experienced Victoria Coren-Mitchell telling us on national TV (HIGNYI)

"Is it OK to say I am just a little bit in love with you?"

Bring on the clowns

1,339 posts

122 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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rs1952 said:
dandarez said:
On Cameron's EU reforms?

'Pretty thin gruel'. (J. Rees-Mogg)

hehe
That's exactly what I mean. Not the sort of thing to appeal to the average man on the Clapham omnibus, is it?

In 2016, that average man's first thought on the Clapham omnibus would be:

"What's gruel?"

wink
But that is the pity. As I've remarked on here before, he would probably be unelectable (as PM) because of the inverse snobbery, petty envy and sheer ignorance of large swathes of the electorate. Despite being one of the clearest thinkers and issue driven (rather than party political) MPs around.

Every time he is on The Daily Politics, Question Time, R4 or whatever his argument is logical, soundly researched and intelligible as well as intelligent, such that he often gets applause form audiences we might expect to slaughter a "High Tory". The opponents and Devil's Advocates like Humphrys and Dimbledum - plus that newer lightweight on R4's Today, name escapes me - certainly find it impossible to argue against him meaningfully or to score the points they wanted.

Perhaps if more people saw him and listened to his views there could be less of the class bias against him. That self-deprecating humour you mentioned - definitely a big part of his public persona - would help too. But sadly, in this land of many dolts, Corbyn has a better chance. One would ruin the UK, the other could be our best hope for a sensible, sound, reasoning PM in years, rather than the slimy mendaciousness of Cameron and Blair. So it will never happen, obviously!

MrBarry123

4,970 posts

59 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Yes, he's a very sharp politician however I do feel that he's perhaps 50 years too late to be PM. His views and attitudes are current, fair and just however he'll never live down that accent with the uneducated/stupid that make up quite a section of British society nowadays.

Personally, I think he'd make a great PM.

crankedup

18,971 posts

181 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Educated and interesting, what a waste to be in politics.

v8250

2,609 posts

149 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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alfie2244 said:
Not a Tory myself but sincerely hope he gets to play a high profile role in the OUT campaign.
He's actively supporting Brexit and I sincerely hope he takes his gloves off and aggressively supports Leave.EU, Grass Roouts Out etc., come the ramp up to the referendum.

As for J R-M becoming PM...he's simply too bright a light, too intelligent for the average UK voter. They have such low expectations of what the country needs, have such political apathy, that they'll continue voting for the likes of Blair and CMD...the very same CMD who forced out J R-M's sister standing for election because her name has five syllables. I hope J R-M will, like his father, develop in to a highly effective statesmen for the country...at a time when true statesmen are very thin on the ground.

And despite his background he continues to connect with people of all backgrounds...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIt3PM5DF_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKjTPPcOdQ

and the superb Ali G interview...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szGxq3pvJPQ

Digga

26,124 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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9.3 said:
He's also very funny - wonderful dry sense of humour. Have a lot of time for him.
I do too. He's clearly a cut above most politicians. However, and regrettably (because I personally have no class issues in any direction), it would be a really, really grave error for the Tory party to roll-out yet another public school figurehead.

There is a massive, open goal for the Tories is they can create a convincingly populist leader who could challenge the best of the rivals, but conversely, sticking with the toffs, they risk alienating potential voters.

FredClogs

13,313 posts

99 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Definitely the worst kind of imaginable. Last time he was on HIGNFY Victorian Coren Mitchell described herself as being "very attracted to you right now", had me sharpening my guillotine, can you imagine the result of a Mitchell - Coren - Mogg three way'd offspring, "let them eat wit". Absolutely insufferable, come the revolution brothers and sisters they'll be on page 1 of the list.

rfisher

4,074 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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He's posh.

It's not fair.

Burn him.

In today's politics he stands no chance of playing anything other than a submissive role.

Constantly apologising in one form or another.

Can't see this changing unless and until we evolve to a more intelligence driven 'directed' political system.

Which will never happen.

iphonedyou

7,410 posts

95 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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FredClogs said:
Definitely the worst kind of imaginable. Last time he was on HIGNFY Victorian Coren Mitchell described herself as being "very attracted to you right now", had me sharpening my guillotine, can you imagine the result of a Mitchell - Coren - Mogg three way'd offspring, "let them eat wit". Absolutely insufferable, come the revolution brothers and sisters they'll be on page 1 of the list.
So epitomising the lack of intellect rfisher refers to.

DoubleSix

9,330 posts

114 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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audidoody said:
Brilliant.

But as one YouTube commentator correctly observes:

"Piers Morgan needs to STFU!"


hehe

Digga

26,124 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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iphonedyou said:
FredClogs said:
Definitely the worst kind of imaginable. Last time he was on HIGNFY Victorian Coren Mitchell described herself as being "very attracted to you right now", had me sharpening my guillotine, can you imagine the result of a Mitchell - Coren - Mogg three way'd offspring, "let them eat wit". Absolutely insufferable, come the revolution brothers and sisters they'll be on page 1 of the list.
So epitomising the lack of intellect rfisher refers to.
Which is why, sadly, my previous comments stand.

FredClogs

13,313 posts

99 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Digga said:
iphonedyou said:
FredClogs said:
Definitely the worst kind of imaginable. Last time he was on HIGNFY Victorian Coren Mitchell described herself as being "very attracted to you right now", had me sharpening my guillotine, can you imagine the result of a Mitchell - Coren - Mogg three way'd offspring, "let them eat wit". Absolutely insufferable, come the revolution brothers and sisters they'll be on page 1 of the list.
So epitomising the lack of intellect rfisher refers to.
Which is why, sadly, my previous comments stand.
Yeah, because we wouldn't want a governmental system which represented the will of the electorate would we? That would never do. Easy solution, send everyone to Eton and give everyone a Bently and a Nanny and then Jacob-Rees Mogg would be the perfect figure head... Job jobbed, as they say.

From his wiki page...

At the 1997 general election, Rees-Mogg was the Tory candidate for the solidly Labour seat of Central Fife and attracted ridicule after canvassing a largely working-class neighbourhood with his nanny;[4] on election night he came third, gaining 9% of the votes cast,[7] slightly fewer than half of the votes won by the previous Conservative candidate in 1992. However, rumours that he had gone around the constituency in a Bentley were described as "scurrilous" − he insisted it had been a Mercedes.



Digga

26,124 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Precisely why (and I'm not a Tory supporter) the Conservatives should, as we speak, have a program to deliver credible, ordinary and preferably not home-counties-southern leadership candidates if they don't want to risk sliding of the right hand side of the road camber in the same way as Labour are now spectacularly investigating the contents of the ditch to its left.

944fan

4,962 posts

123 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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He is a legend.

According to Wiki he is a bit of a fillabuster expert.

Tycho

10,005 posts

211 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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v8250 said:
This one was particularly good.