Man in Scotland arrested over dog's 'Nazi salute'.
Discussion
Order66 said:
ape x said:
Problem with people banging on about PC gone mad etc is that if the video had been taking the piss out of Farage or Trump the usual suspects on here would be slathering at the bit to condemn him. Try to take the piss out of Trump on the Trump thread if you dare for example.....
Slathering at the mouth and condeming is fine, and fair game....but a criminal record for what was obviously a joke......a very sad day for the countryhttp://www.fitzhugh.ca/video-denying-holocaust-cau...
Simply because she couldn't find any evidence of the gas chambers or any written evidence that they worked or were planned, despite the germans diligently documenting everything else they did. For such a large operation it's still a puzzle how they were able to hide it so well, and some of the numbers are very puzzling too.
I'm still not sure about some of the myths about the nazi regime (they also didn't call themselves nazis - that was invented after the war IIRC), like the book burning. I don't understand why a nation who valued technology, science, art, music and literature would burn books - that makes no sense at all, so I wonder if they did burn any, and if so - which ones? How did they make all of those planes, jets, rockets, trains and why did they collect all that art if they burnt all the books? It's not as if it was all on computer was it?
History is written by the winners so we can't be sure of the real german story, any more than we can be sure of Saddam's or Gadaffi's crimes - crimes they were never tried for incidentally.. It's a bit like the US/Israel op in Syria - we're now hearing about all the stuff that we'd not be hearing about if that had gone as planned.
However the law today is that you are allowed (encouraged even) to criticise and blame the Russians, Iranians, Syrians, Libyans and Yemenese - and of course the Germans, but not a word is to be said against the wonderful peace loving, hard done by, plucky Israelis fighting against the nasty natives like the 17 year old girl Ahed Tamimi.
It's a great rule and self enforcing too, for instance with the Skripal you can say that the and US, UK can make Novichok, you can 'almost' say that in 2013 Russia was declared clear and could not produce the stuff; but mention Israel with it's record of assassinations and their expertise in chemical weaponry and you are immediately labeled an anti-semite.
Which itself is ironic as only about 3-4% of them are semitic. Another Irony is that the only people who can criticise them are the Orthodox Jews (a completely different people and religion to the ashkenazi running Israel), who constantly denounce the state and as a result get water cannoned with smelly chemicals for their beliefs.
I'm very much a supporter of the Orthodox Jews BTW, who technically are not really jews at all, but Iewes and are a law abiding and God fearing people who follow an Abrahamic religion, unlike the jews, who don't.
One of the many bad things that this verdict brings about it that it gives carte blanche to the professionally offended to get pretty much any online discussion based in the UK to be shut down - and shutting down opinions that they don't like is a way of life for the SJW fringe.
Get ready for a flood of complaints to the police about 'offensive' opinions on online forums/social media which may well - in light of this verdict - result in the police following up with the people running the web site instead of just telling the complainant to grow a thicker skin and stop wasting their time, as they should and would in a sane and sensible society.
This will almost certainly lead to those hosting public forums to impose tighter rules/moderation on what people say to avoid having to deal with the hassle of malicious complaints.
Get ready for a flood of complaints to the police about 'offensive' opinions on online forums/social media which may well - in light of this verdict - result in the police following up with the people running the web site instead of just telling the complainant to grow a thicker skin and stop wasting their time, as they should and would in a sane and sensible society.
This will almost certainly lead to those hosting public forums to impose tighter rules/moderation on what people say to avoid having to deal with the hassle of malicious complaints.
otolith said:
I don't think their issue was fundamentally an objection to hard bound documents.
They burnt books containing ideas they objected to.
Quite hilariously what the militant leftists at 'hope not hate' are doingThey burnt books containing ideas they objected to.
If you agree that @Waterstones @Foyles @WHSmith @Amazon.co.uk should cease giving a platform to violent, hateful material – call on them to act. RT this and visit http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/booksellers to join us.
https://twitter.com/hopenothate/status/97610156567...
Globs said:
There are a lot of double standards going on, I recall the story of the Canadian lady who got arrested in germany:
http://www.fitzhugh.ca/video-denying-holocaust-cau...
Simply because she couldn't find any evidence of the gas chambers or any written evidence that they worked or were planned, despite the germans diligently documenting everything else they did. For such a large operation it's still a puzzle how they were able to hide it so well, and some of the numbers are very puzzling too.
I'm still not sure about some of the myths about the nazi regime (they also didn't call themselves nazis - that was invented after the war IIRC), like the book burning. I don't understand why a nation who valued technology, science, art, music and literature would burn books - that makes no sense at all, so I wonder if they did burn any, and if so - which ones? How did they make all of those planes, jets, rockets, trains and why did they collect all that art if they burnt all the books? It's not as if it was all on computer was it?
History is written by the winners so we can't be sure of the real german story, any more than we can be sure of Saddam's or Gadaffi's crimes - crimes they were never tried for incidentally.. It's a bit like the US/Israel op in Syria - we're now hearing about all the stuff that we'd not be hearing about if that had gone as planned.
However the law today is that you are allowed (encouraged even) to criticise and blame the Russians, Iranians, Syrians, Libyans and Yemenese - and of course the Germans, but not a word is to be said against the wonderful peace loving, hard done by, plucky Israelis fighting against the nasty natives like the 17 year old girl Ahed Tamimi.
It's a great rule and self enforcing too, for instance with the Skripal you can say that the and US, UK can make Novichok, you can 'almost' say that in 2013 Russia was declared clear and could not produce the stuff; but mention Israel with it's record of assassinations and their expertise in chemical weaponry and you are immediately labeled an anti-semite.
Which itself is ironic as only about 3-4% of them are semitic. Another Irony is that the only people who can criticise them are the Orthodox Jews (a completely different people and religion to the ashkenazi running Israel), who constantly denounce the state and as a result get water cannoned with smelly chemicals for their beliefs.
I'm very much a supporter of the Orthodox Jews BTW, who technically are not really jews at all, but Iewes and are a law abiding and God fearing people who follow an Abrahamic religion, unlike the jews, who don't.
Well, there is a fine selection of woo, just needs some chem trails and a touch of steel won't melt in avgas.http://www.fitzhugh.ca/video-denying-holocaust-cau...
Simply because she couldn't find any evidence of the gas chambers or any written evidence that they worked or were planned, despite the germans diligently documenting everything else they did. For such a large operation it's still a puzzle how they were able to hide it so well, and some of the numbers are very puzzling too.
I'm still not sure about some of the myths about the nazi regime (they also didn't call themselves nazis - that was invented after the war IIRC), like the book burning. I don't understand why a nation who valued technology, science, art, music and literature would burn books - that makes no sense at all, so I wonder if they did burn any, and if so - which ones? How did they make all of those planes, jets, rockets, trains and why did they collect all that art if they burnt all the books? It's not as if it was all on computer was it?
History is written by the winners so we can't be sure of the real german story, any more than we can be sure of Saddam's or Gadaffi's crimes - crimes they were never tried for incidentally.. It's a bit like the US/Israel op in Syria - we're now hearing about all the stuff that we'd not be hearing about if that had gone as planned.
However the law today is that you are allowed (encouraged even) to criticise and blame the Russians, Iranians, Syrians, Libyans and Yemenese - and of course the Germans, but not a word is to be said against the wonderful peace loving, hard done by, plucky Israelis fighting against the nasty natives like the 17 year old girl Ahed Tamimi.
It's a great rule and self enforcing too, for instance with the Skripal you can say that the and US, UK can make Novichok, you can 'almost' say that in 2013 Russia was declared clear and could not produce the stuff; but mention Israel with it's record of assassinations and their expertise in chemical weaponry and you are immediately labeled an anti-semite.
Which itself is ironic as only about 3-4% of them are semitic. Another Irony is that the only people who can criticise them are the Orthodox Jews (a completely different people and religion to the ashkenazi running Israel), who constantly denounce the state and as a result get water cannoned with smelly chemicals for their beliefs.
I'm very much a supporter of the Orthodox Jews BTW, who technically are not really jews at all, but Iewes and are a law abiding and God fearing people who follow an Abrahamic religion, unlike the jews, who don't.
The WW2 stuff is very easy to educate yourself in, in fact it's probably harder to avoid knowing this stuff....
Plans for Auschwitz including a gas chamber and corpse cellar were on display in Germany less than 10 years ago
Nazi was in use from the early 1930s - you could even buy a 'das kleine Nazi-Liederbuch" - little nazi-songbook. Goebbels used it in his diaries. It was not invented after the war.
Book burning was part of the growth of Nazism in the 1930s, the burning of books deemed to be unworthy, not all books. - Pathe from 1933 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHCmiWaHUCw
Boydie88 said:
otolith said:
I don't think their issue was fundamentally an objection to hard bound documents.
They burnt books containing ideas they objected to.
Quite hilariously what the militant leftists at 'hope not hate' are doingThey burnt books containing ideas they objected to.
If you agree that @Waterstones @Foyles @WHSmith @Amazon.co.uk should cease giving a platform to violent, hateful material – call on them to act. RT this and visit http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/booksellers to join us.
https://twitter.com/hopenothate/status/97610156567...
The self-appointed arbiters of what it is right for you to read, and what must not be read.
They have a list of publications that they want off the shelves.
With certainty, that list will become much longer, and much more 'inclusive' with the passage of time.
Lucas Ayde said:
This will almost certainly lead to those hosting public forums to impose tighter rules/moderation on what people say to avoid having to deal with the hassle of malicious complaints.
Old news!https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/05/german-cabinet-b...
It's laws like this that give me the faith to believe in stuff like the holocaust, the truth always needs the helping hand of government despite 'everyone knowing' that it's true. If we didn't believe then we'd be arrested on visits to Germany, so of course we all believe, not to is heresy punishable by jail time. Remember it's 2018 and that tragic event only happened a few decades ago so we all still need to feel the guilt of our sins, unlike that silly Canadian woman who forgot.
If we didn't have teams of thought police and the media we might start viewing dangerous subversive trouble makers / terrorists like Ahed Tamimi (12 in this photo) as simple natives protesting an occupation, instead of her very real and obvious crimes against humanity.
You can see her evil intent in the fist whereas the nice soldier has the hand of peace raised in a friendly 'Hi, I'll be taking your home and land away' greeting of justice and truth.
So yes, I'm, fully behind stamping out canine subversion wherever it lurks and festers, as should we all.
wsurfa said:
Well, there is a fine selection of woo, just needs some chem trails and a touch of steel won't melt in avgas.
The WW2 stuff is very easy to educate yourself in, in fact it's probably harder to avoid knowing this stuff....
No need to convince me, you're preaching to the converted! You had me at 'Well'. You don't even need to show me the wooden doors of the chambers or tell me how much more efficient german incinerators are than todays hopeless ones. That room looks lethal BTW.The WW2 stuff is very easy to educate yourself in, in fact it's probably harder to avoid knowing this stuff....
The question you need to ask is to the mad Canadian woman: where she looked and guide her to The Truth. As she may be in prison how this should be pretty easy as she's not going anywhere. Go for it.
The problem I find from day to day is having to explain to idiots that the holocaust totally justifies the constant CS gas and other attacks on the Palestinians. That the Germans did this terrible thing only 74 years ago is reason enough for the violent oppression of Palestine.
What really boils my blood is having to shout at retards 'because of the holocaust, stupid!!' because today people are a little slow. That 12 year old subversive above Needs To Pay for their crimes, period.
And that goes for the Syrians and Iranians too, don't they have any respect??
Edited by Globs on Wednesday 21st March 13:54
Lucas Ayde said:
One of the many bad things that this verdict brings about it that it gives carte blanche to the professionally offended to get pretty much any online discussion based in the UK to be shut down - and shutting down opinions that they don't like is a way of life for the SJW fringe.
Get ready for a flood of complaints to the police about 'offensive' opinions on online forums/social media which may well - in light of this verdict - result in the police following up with the people running the web site instead of just telling the complainant to grow a thicker skin and stop wasting their time, as they should and would in a sane and sensible society.
This will almost certainly lead to those hosting public forums to impose tighter rules/moderation on what people say to avoid having to deal with the hassle of malicious complaints.
It also pushes back people with, shall we say, "interesting" views, who may not directly promote violence and so on, but certainly heavily imply it to followers who then act on it. A certain popular "right wing" male who shouts racial abuse through post boxes and deals with former members of racist gangs with violent pasts for example, can use this as the juicy steak to hold over his starving pitbulls.Get ready for a flood of complaints to the police about 'offensive' opinions on online forums/social media which may well - in light of this verdict - result in the police following up with the people running the web site instead of just telling the complainant to grow a thicker skin and stop wasting their time, as they should and would in a sane and sensible society.
This will almost certainly lead to those hosting public forums to impose tighter rules/moderation on what people say to avoid having to deal with the hassle of malicious complaints.
Honestly, the extremities on both "wings" will be strengthened by a silly decision. We live in strange times.
Same judge allowed someone with over 5000 indecent images if children to avoid jail
https://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/crime/paed...
https://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/crime/paed...
Globs said:
wsurfa said:
Well, there is a fine selection of woo, just needs some chem trails and a touch of steel won't melt in avgas.
The WW2 stuff is very easy to educate yourself in, in fact it's probably harder to avoid knowing this stuff....
No need to convince me, you're preaching to the converted! You had me at 'Well'. You don't even need to show me the wooden doors of the chambers or tell me how much more efficient german incinerators are than todays hopeless ones. That room looks lethal BTW.The WW2 stuff is very easy to educate yourself in, in fact it's probably harder to avoid knowing this stuff....
The question you need to ask is to the mad Canadian woman: where she looked and guide her to The Truth. As she may be in prison how this should be pretty easy as she's not going anywhere. Go for it.
The problem I find from day to day is having to explain to idiots that the holocaust totally justifies the constant CS gas and other attacks on the Palestinians. That the Germans did this terrible thing only 74 years ago is reason enough for the violent oppression of Palestine.
What really boils my blood is having to shout at retards 'because of the holocaust, stupid!!' because today people are a little slow. That 12 year old subversive above Needs To Pay for their crimes, period.
And that goes for the Syrians and Iranians too, don't they have any respect??
Edited by Globs on Wednesday 21st March 13:54
Globs said:
I'm still not sure about some of the myths about the nazi regime (they also didn't call themselves nazis - that was invented after the war IIRC), like the book burning. I don't understand why a nation who valued technology, science, art, music and literature would burn books - that makes no sense at all, so I wonder if they did burn any, and if so - which ones? How did they make all of those planes, jets, rockets, trains and why did they collect all that art if they burnt all the books? It's not as if it was all on computer was it?
Goaty Bill 2 said:
And there we see real fascist tactics in action.
The self-appointed arbiters of what it is right for you to read, and what must not be read.
They have a list of publications that they want off the shelves.
With certainty, that list will become much longer, and much more 'inclusive' with the passage of time.
Quite, if one wants to focus on the outcomes of an action rather than any intent (the philosophical underpinning of censuring speech or words which may cause offence) then one would naturally make Socialism illegal on the basis that its ideology killed more people in the past century than any other ideology.The self-appointed arbiters of what it is right for you to read, and what must not be read.
They have a list of publications that they want off the shelves.
With certainty, that list will become much longer, and much more 'inclusive' with the passage of time.
Regardless of professed ideology we do have a growing problem anyways on both sides of the atlantic with left wing groups either taking direct action or inciting violence towards anyone they don't like, including infamously a female Conservative MP.
JLC25 said:
It also pushes back people with, shall we say, "interesting" views, who may not directly promote violence and so on, but certainly heavily imply it to followers who then act on it. A certain popular "right wing" male who shouts racial abuse through post boxes and deals with former members of racist gangs with violent pasts for example, can use this as the juicy steak to hold over his starving pitbulls.
Honestly, the extremities on both "wings" will be strengthened by a silly decision. We live in strange times.
Everyone is hurt by decisions like this, though extremists may well feel it helps them either by generating sympathy or because it shuts someone else (whose opinions you don't like), down.Honestly, the extremities on both "wings" will be strengthened by a silly decision. We live in strange times.
It's particularly disheartening to see many self-declared 'Liberals' celebrate this ludicrous decision based on the fact that they don't like this particular defendant's politics. It takes a special kind of stupid to fail to understand how reductions of civil liberties and arbitrary punishment of controversial personal expression by the authorities, ignoring context, will most likely come back at some point in the future to bite you or someone you support. Personally, I think that many so-called 'Liberals' fail to understand the meaning of the word.
Russian Troll Bot said:
Same judge allowed someone with over 5000 indecent images if children to avoid jail
https://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/crime/paed...
You couldn't make this stuff up. I wonder if the nonce was, how shall we say, 'well connected'?https://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/crime/paed...
Lucas Ayde said:
Russian Troll Bot said:
Same judge allowed someone with over 5000 indecent images if children to avoid jail
https://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/crime/paed...
You couldn't make this stuff up. I wonder if the nonce was, how shall we say, 'well connected'?https://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/crime/paed...
Shearer was given a placed on supervision for a period of two years. He was also ordered to carry out 200 hours of unpaid work, given a tagging ordering him to remain at home for the next eight months between 8pm and 6am, He was banned from internet access and placed on the Sex Offenders’ Register"
AND...?
Ref https://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/crime/paed...
Edited by Kccv23highliftcam on Wednesday 21st March 16:41
Globs said:
There are a lot of double standards going on, I recall the story of the Canadian lady who got arrested in germany:
http://www.fitzhugh.ca/video-denying-holocaust-cau...
Simply because she couldn't find any evidence of the gas chambers or any written evidence that they worked or were planned, despite the germans diligently documenting everything else they did. For such a large operation it's still a puzzle how they were able to hide it so well, and some of the numbers are very puzzling too.
I'm still not sure about some of the myths about the nazi regime (they also didn't call themselves nazis - that was invented after the war IIRC), like the book burning. I don't understand why a nation who valued technology, science, art, music and literature would burn books - that makes no sense at all, so I wonder if they did burn any, and if so - which ones? How did they make all of those planes, jets, rockets, trains and why did they collect all that art if they burnt all the books? It's not as if it was all on computer was it?
History is written by the winners so we can't be sure of the real german story, any more than we can be sure of Saddam's or Gadaffi's crimes - crimes they were never tried for incidentally.. It's a bit like the US/Israel op in Syria - we're now hearing about all the stuff that we'd not be hearing about if that had gone as planned.
However the law today is that you are allowed (encouraged even) to criticise and blame the Russians, Iranians, Syrians, Libyans and Yemenese - and of course the Germans, but not a word is to be said against the wonderful peace loving, hard done by, plucky Israelis fighting against the nasty natives like the 17 year old girl Ahed Tamimi.
It's a great rule and self enforcing too, for instance with the Skripal you can say that the and US, UK can make Novichok, you can 'almost' say that in 2013 Russia was declared clear and could not produce the stuff; but mention Israel with it's record of assassinations and their expertise in chemical weaponry and you are immediately labeled an anti-semite.
Which itself is ironic as only about 3-4% of them are semitic. Another Irony is that the only people who can criticise them are the Orthodox Jews (a completely different people and religion to the ashkenazi running Israel), who constantly denounce the state and as a result get water cannoned with smelly chemicals for their beliefs.
I'm very much a supporter of the Orthodox Jews BTW, who technically are not really jews at all, but Iewes and are a law abiding and God fearing people who follow an Abrahamic religion, unlike the jews, who don't.
I wondered how long it would take before this thread drifted in to some anti-Israel diatribe!http://www.fitzhugh.ca/video-denying-holocaust-cau...
Simply because she couldn't find any evidence of the gas chambers or any written evidence that they worked or were planned, despite the germans diligently documenting everything else they did. For such a large operation it's still a puzzle how they were able to hide it so well, and some of the numbers are very puzzling too.
I'm still not sure about some of the myths about the nazi regime (they also didn't call themselves nazis - that was invented after the war IIRC), like the book burning. I don't understand why a nation who valued technology, science, art, music and literature would burn books - that makes no sense at all, so I wonder if they did burn any, and if so - which ones? How did they make all of those planes, jets, rockets, trains and why did they collect all that art if they burnt all the books? It's not as if it was all on computer was it?
History is written by the winners so we can't be sure of the real german story, any more than we can be sure of Saddam's or Gadaffi's crimes - crimes they were never tried for incidentally.. It's a bit like the US/Israel op in Syria - we're now hearing about all the stuff that we'd not be hearing about if that had gone as planned.
However the law today is that you are allowed (encouraged even) to criticise and blame the Russians, Iranians, Syrians, Libyans and Yemenese - and of course the Germans, but not a word is to be said against the wonderful peace loving, hard done by, plucky Israelis fighting against the nasty natives like the 17 year old girl Ahed Tamimi.
It's a great rule and self enforcing too, for instance with the Skripal you can say that the and US, UK can make Novichok, you can 'almost' say that in 2013 Russia was declared clear and could not produce the stuff; but mention Israel with it's record of assassinations and their expertise in chemical weaponry and you are immediately labeled an anti-semite.
Which itself is ironic as only about 3-4% of them are semitic. Another Irony is that the only people who can criticise them are the Orthodox Jews (a completely different people and religion to the ashkenazi running Israel), who constantly denounce the state and as a result get water cannoned with smelly chemicals for their beliefs.
I'm very much a supporter of the Orthodox Jews BTW, who technically are not really jews at all, but Iewes and are a law abiding and God fearing people who follow an Abrahamic religion, unlike the jews, who don't.
ffs
wsurfa said:
Stuff
Like I said, history is written by the winners so we have no balanced picture of what really happened, just the word of the victors, and very little evidence of stuff we are to believe - so we need faith. We'll gloss over the trustworthiness of the winners too for this discussion, although days when they are not lying appear to be rare indeed).The germans wrote everything else they did down in great detail, their paperwork was very detailed and efficient. What happened to the paperwork for the camps?
For instance - that plan for a room you put up earlier. Someone's written C, D and what I presume is the phrase 'gas chamber' on top of it in dark ink.
But what makes it a gas chamber? You can see several sets of double swing doors, two sets indeed entering that room from a split corridor that runs along the bottom, with another room from that below with the same style swing doors.
It might make a good uniform or stores room, a store room, passport control, etc, but there are no pipes, no gas tight doors, there's nothing about that room that separates it from any plan of any room does it? Simply writing a phrase on a room means nothing in itself - it's not evidence if anything is it? Can you imagine the germans - who built tanks, submarines, blast proof doors, prisons etc - building a gas chamber with office swing doors? Wouldn't you also need pipes? Ventilation for after with fans? Pumps? Power distribution? Gas masks for the germans just in case?
So that's not evidence, I'm sure there is evidence, but as after 74 years if that's the best you could find I'm not surprised when mad old Canadian's look at it and say: 'There's no evidence'. Yes we've seem the photos of the typhoid victims after the war and those are truly terrible, and yes we know that almost half the prisoners at these camps were non jewish (Christians etc), but the documentations of the trains, operation, mechanisms themselves are very very well hidden.
Now we ALL know - in fact EVERYONE knows - so much so that to NOT believe is punishable by prison in some countries - that it all happened and that because of the holocaust we NEED to keep killing Palestinians and stealing their land... and to keep using the water cannons on the Orthodox Jews who point out that their religion forbids a) Israel and b) Killing people in Palestine.
(As I said above: their religion is quite DIFFERENT to the Israeli jews. http://www.truetorahjews.org ) - no 'woo', just fact.
The behaviour of the Nazis may explain the hawkishness of the Israelis, but it doesn't excuse it.
Nor does disapproval of the actions of the Israeli government justify Holocaust denial. The two things are completely unrelated. Whether Israeli policy is right or wrong has nothing to do with whether the Holocaust happened.
Nor does disapproval of the actions of the Israeli government justify Holocaust denial. The two things are completely unrelated. Whether Israeli policy is right or wrong has nothing to do with whether the Holocaust happened.
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