How do we think EU negotiations will go?
Discussion
ou sont les biscuits said:
Can you flag up the bit of the leaflet that said that?
Here is what was said:https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/why-the...
No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market, without having to:
- follow EU rules over which they have no real say
- pay into the EU
- accept EU citizens living and working in their country 27’28
A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the single market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy
sidicks said:
ou sont les biscuits said:
Can you flag up the bit of the leaflet that said that?
Here is what was said. The implication is clear:https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/why-the...
No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market, without having to:
- follow EU rules over which they have no real say
- pay into the EU
- accept EU citizens living and working in their country 27’28
A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the single market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy
sidicks said:
ou sont les biscuits said:
Sorry, where does it say explicitly that we would have to leave the single market?
I never said it did. But the inference is pretty clear, combined with what numerous senior Remainers said at the time.I’ll just stop now. No point in arguing it further.
ou sont les biscuits said:
Ah. We’re basing the interpretation of the most important decision of the last couple of generations on inferences, rather than specific statements.
I’ll just stop now. No point in arguing it further.
You're ignoring the specific statements made by senior figures on both sides of the debate? Why would you do that?I’ll just stop now. No point in arguing it further.
ou sont les biscuits said:
Ah. We’re basing the interpretation of the most important decision of the last couple of generations on inferences, rather than specific statements.
I’ll just stop now. No point in arguing it further.
Specific enough for you?I’ll just stop now. No point in arguing it further.
alfie2244 said:
amgmcqueen said:
The EU keep telling us we have to pay a 'bill'. The UK asks "what is the bill for exactly?"
The EU doesn't tell us(or can't!) and says, "you have to pay a bill".......add infinitum.
It's straight from the Kim Jong Un school of negotiation.
Did you hear Junkers widely reported comments today? The EU doesn't tell us(or can't!) and says, "you have to pay a bill".......add infinitum.
It's straight from the Kim Jong Un school of negotiation.
“If you are sitting in the bar and you are ordering 28 beers and then suddenly some of your colleagues [are leaving without] paying, that is not feasible. They have to pay. They have to pay.”"
Think he is back on the drink himself, as that analogy doesn't work when most of the 28 never paid towards the drinks, and the ones that did split each round rather than taking turns to buy rounds.
Who leave the credit card behind the bar after they have left
hyphen said:
Did you hear Junkers widely reported comments today?
“If you are sitting in the bar and you are ordering 28 beers and then suddenly some of your colleagues [are leaving without] paying, that is not feasible. They have to pay. They have to pay.”"
Think he is back on the drink himself, as that analogy doesn't work when most of the 28 never paid towards the drinks, and the ones that did split each round rather than taking turns to buy rounds.
Who leave the credit card behind the bar after they have left
“If you are sitting in the bar and you are ordering 28 beers and then suddenly some of your colleagues [are leaving without] paying, that is not feasible. They have to pay. They have to pay.”"
Think he is back on the drink himself, as that analogy doesn't work when most of the 28 never paid towards the drinks, and the ones that did split each round rather than taking turns to buy rounds.
Who leave the credit card behind the bar after they have left
Oh yes!! Derisible. The mans a f
king idiot and a good reason for leaving in his own right. Not surprising he chose that very poor analogy, he's been drinking on other people's money for years.
REALIST123 said:
hyphen said:
Did you hear Junkers widely reported comments today?
“If you are sitting in the bar and you are ordering 28 beers and then suddenly some of your colleagues [are leaving without] paying, that is not feasible. They have to pay. They have to pay.”"
Think he is back on the drink himself, as that analogy doesn't work when most of the 28 never paid towards the drinks, and the ones that did split each round rather than taking turns to buy rounds.
Who leave the credit card behind the bar after they have left
“If you are sitting in the bar and you are ordering 28 beers and then suddenly some of your colleagues [are leaving without] paying, that is not feasible. They have to pay. They have to pay.”"
Think he is back on the drink himself, as that analogy doesn't work when most of the 28 never paid towards the drinks, and the ones that did split each round rather than taking turns to buy rounds.
Who leave the credit card behind the bar after they have left
Oh yes!! Derisible. The mans a f
king idiot and a good reason for leaving in his own right. Not surprising he chose that very poor analogy, he's been drinking on other people's money for years.
sidicks said:
Here is what was said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/why-the...
No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market, without having to:
- follow EU rules over which they have no real say
- pay into the EU
- accept EU citizens living and working in their country 27’28
A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the single market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy
This does beg the question why is May wasting time trying to manage it with her 'special partnership' then?https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/why-the...
No other country has managed to secure significant access to the single market, without having to:
- follow EU rules over which they have no real say
- pay into the EU
- accept EU citizens living and working in their country 27’28
A more limited trade deal with the EU would give the UK less access to the single market than we have now – including for services, which make up almost 80% of the UK economy
Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Saturday 14th October 03:42
alfie2244 said:
ou sont les biscuits said:
Ah. We’re basing the interpretation of the most important decision of the last couple of generations on inferences, rather than specific statements.
I’ll just stop now. No point in arguing it further.
Specific enough for you?I’ll just stop now. No point in arguing it further.
alfie2244 said:
As for my mate Junckers, good on him for demonstrati g that contrary to Brexiteer arrogance that the EU needs the UK more than it needs the EU, he is quite happy to make the negotiations very, very tough and ensure the 27 come out on top.
You see, a Hard Brexit could work very well for the EU.. all that lovely relocated business, leaving the UK as a husk of its former self having to rebuild and redefine itself on the World Market.
Leavers voted out of the Single Market. Done. They should go.
To then trade with the EU, if there is a bill to pay for the privilege then, again, that is entirely up to the EU.
I want the UK to succeed, and I am sure in the long term it will eventually get back to where it was but it has self-harmed for a while and the depths of that are still to be realised. A hard lesson is being taught now to Idealists who voted for a Utopia that had no actual plan based on any kind of workable reality; hopefully sensible heads will learn from it over the next few years so as to avoid a repeat in the future.
Deptford Draylons said:
Every time he opens his mouth, the few sensible remainers here must pray he will shut the fk up and stop embarrassing them. Much like when ///ajd goes off on one or the mental Finn starts
All very true, they do a considerable amount to help Brexiteers k up and stop embarrassing them. Much like when ///ajd goes off on one or the mental Finn starts 
It's just as well that we have Juncker popping up from time to time to remind us what is really wrong with the EU......
Hammond has got in trouble i see.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41608243
Don't have a problem with his remarks personally, based on the EUs stated negotiating position it is an apt description.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41608243
Don't have a problem with his remarks personally, based on the EUs stated negotiating position it is an apt description.
JagLover said:
Hammond has got in trouble i see.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41608243
Don't have a problem with his remarks personally, based on the EUs stated negotiating position it is an apt description.
Agreed. He’s being kind with his choice of words. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41608243
Don't have a problem with his remarks personally, based on the EUs stated negotiating position it is an apt description.
Probably the least stupid person in the cabinet and even he has now unequivocally lost the plot.
I still have sympathy for him given that he's attacked for 'talking down the economy' when he points out very gently that the economy is in trouble (when the reality is that the UK is heading very fast into recession or at least stagflation).
I still have sympathy for him given that he's attacked for 'talking down the economy' when he points out very gently that the economy is in trouble (when the reality is that the UK is heading very fast into recession or at least stagflation).
Coolbanana said:
Leavers voted out of the Single Market. Done. They should go.
To then trade with the EU, if there is a bill to pay for the privilege then, again, that is entirely up to the EU.
Can you name a single country outside the single market that has to pay to trade with the EU?To then trade with the EU, if there is a bill to pay for the privilege then, again, that is entirely up to the EU.
It's hilarious that the ones who insist the UK will be automatically worse off outside the EU also argue that the EU must be as obstructive as possible to make sure the UK isn't any better off.
Dr Jekyll said:
Coolbanana said:
Leavers voted out of the Single Market. Done. They should go.
To then trade with the EU, if there is a bill to pay for the privilege then, again, that is entirely up to the EU.
Can you name a single country outside the single market that has to pay to trade with the EU?To then trade with the EU, if there is a bill to pay for the privilege then, again, that is entirely up to the EU.
It's hilarious that the ones who insist the UK will be automatically worse off outside the EU also argue that the EU must be as obstructive as possible to make sure the UK isn't any better off.
Dr Jekyll said:
Can you name a single country outside the single market that has to pay to trade with the EU?
It's hilarious that the ones who insist the UK will be automatically worse off outside the EU also argue that the EU must be as obstructive as possible to make sure the UK isn't any better off.
Where has the EU asked for money for the UK to be able to trade with them?It's hilarious that the ones who insist the UK will be automatically worse off outside the EU also argue that the EU must be as obstructive as possible to make sure the UK isn't any better off.
Many have claimed the EU want to ensure we aren't any better off. They aren't from the EU though.
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