Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

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marshalla

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15,902 posts

151 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Kermit power

24,371 posts

163 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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mikebradford said:
Kermit power said:
Seriously???

UKIP are, were and always will be a complete and utter joke!

99.99% of the country wouldn't be able to name a single person linked to them except for Farage and possibly Kilroy-Silk. They were a one policy party that dressed up a few other soundbites to give themselves the makings of a completely unfunded manifesto.

Brexit didn't happen because people wanted UKIP anywhere near Westminster. It happened because people were hacked off with the establishment. Now that Brexit has been secured, is it any real surprise that Nigel has left the sinking ship? He's the only politically astute one of the whole bunch, and he knows it has nothing more it can give him.
you missed the point. I stated it's a shame they havnt rebranded and changed direction.
They have in the past taken a reasonably proportion of the vote.
As such I feel they had the opportunity to pick up a larger percentage of the vote and become the second largest party.
I wasn't stating what policys of theirs I may or may not agree with.
Only that they are missing an opportunity.
I understood your point. My reaction was based more on the absurdity of thinking UKIP could possibly achieve it.

Yes, they did get a lot of votes, but tellingly, they never got them in general elections, and I would suggest this is because the electorate's desire to give the establishment a kick up the arse is outweighed by the fear of Nige and his gurning nutters ever actually getting anywhere near the reins of power!

I think they garnered votes when it didn't matter simply because there was no alternative option for people to choose as a protest vote. I have no doubt that this process did, for many, normalise the thought of voting for Brexit, and without UKIP, I'm sure Brexit wouldn't have happened, but from there to actually voting for UKIP to actually do anything is a very, very big step.

Personally, I think so long as May manages to keep her party harmonious and demonstrate at the very least a solid road map on Brexit negotiations with Article 50 already triggered, she'll win back almost every single former Tory voter who went to UKIP.

With Corbyn's stance on immigration and various other batst mental Socialist policies, I think she'll also be able to hoover up a significant chunk of UKIP's ex-Labour voters, as they won't want to see any risk of Corbyn getting in.

To my mind, UKIP is done, dusted and over. Nige knows it, hence his departure. The rest of them just haven't yet realised that people voted for them in spite of them rather than because they actually wanted them to win anything.

V6Pushfit

13,277 posts

60 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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...countdown to Vol 3: 9,997. And about 2 weeks at this rate!

B'stard Child

19,351 posts

196 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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V6Pushfit said:
...countdown to Vol 3: 9,997. And about 2 weeks at this rate!
Last one was well over a year from start to finish and bearing in mind the recent squabbles are now sort of over I think you might be a bit optimistic

simonrockman

5,875 posts

205 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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B'stard Child said:
the recent squabbles are now sort of over
hahahahahah

B'stard Child

19,351 posts

196 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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simonrockman said:
B'stard Child said:
the recent squabbles are now sort of over
hahahahahah
;-)

mikebradford

1,569 posts

95 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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B'stard Child said:
simonrockman said:
B'stard Child said:
the recent squabbles are now sort of over
hahahahahah
;-)
As the Labour party conference love in is now over, surely the behind the scenes backstabbing is simply being formulated.
I give it 24hrs at most before their is some more news headlines involving various members of the labour party.

technodup

6,203 posts

80 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Kermit power said:
I understood your point. My reaction was based more on the absurdity of thinking UKIP could possibly achieve it.

Yes, they did get a lot of votes, but tellingly, they never got them in general elections,
They got 3 or 4 million at the last GE. Their problem, like other smaller parties is they are spread across the country and FPTP punishes them for it.

That's not an assessment of how good or otherwise they would be, but the system clearly disadvantages UKIP, Green and the smaller parties. Frankly I think that's a good thing, or else we'd end up with god only knows what sort of calamitous coalitions which nobody voted for.

Arguably the Tories won last time because of fear of a Labour/SNP cabal. Imagine if it were a 'rainbow coalition' of SNP/Green/LibDem/DUP/whatever.

V6Pushfit

13,277 posts

60 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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They've shot their bolt. JC was animated. McDonnell looked like an executioner and all the other rag tag over excited nutters looked like a re run of a 40 year old rally.

Vaud

34,903 posts

105 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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technodup said:
Arguably the Tories won last time because of fear of a Labour/SNP cabal. Imagine if it were a 'rainbow coalition' of SNP/Green/LibDem/DUP/whatever.
I don't think the British public would know what to do with the offer of wide coalition? Too many uncertainties. We are fundamentally a 2.5 (2 since LibDems collapsed) party system with a few "single issue" groups at the fringes.

Anyway he has ruled it out (with the SNP), at least this for now.

Johnnytheboy

19,173 posts

136 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Other party conferences should draw the flak off Jezzbollah for a while..,.

AJL308

3,209 posts

106 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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mikebradford said:
B'stard Child said:
simonrockman said:
B'stard Child said:
the recent squabbles are now sort of over
hahahahahah
;-)
As the Labour party conference love in is now over, surely the behind the scenes backstabbing is simply being formulated.
I give it 24hrs at most before their is some more news headlines involving various members of the labour party.
By the way? Who did they get to do the security in the end after they had managed to ps off just about everyone capable of doing it?

Shakermaker

10,541 posts

50 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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AJL308 said:
mikebradford said:
B'stard Child said:
simonrockman said:
B'stard Child said:
the recent squabbles are now sort of over
hahahahahah
;-)
As the Labour party conference love in is now over, surely the behind the scenes backstabbing is simply being formulated.
I give it 24hrs at most before their is some more news headlines involving various members of the labour party.
By the way? Who did they get to do the security in the end after they had managed to ps off just about everyone capable of doing it?
OCS.

fblm

17,227 posts

213 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Johnnytheboy said:
Jezzbollah
hehe

Smiler.

10,528 posts

180 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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fblm said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Jezzbollah
hehe
biggrin

So that makes Abbott, Hamass?

fblm

17,227 posts

213 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Smiler. said:
fblm said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Jezzbollah
hehe
biggrin

So that makes Abbott, Hamass?
Difficult to beat Abbottamous. Hamassive?

fblm

17,227 posts

213 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Hamoose?

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

55 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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fblm said:
Difficult to beat Abbottamous. Hamassive?
Fat Racist Pig a mouse ?

PositronicRay

17,673 posts

133 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Anyone else notice the stony face on Sadiq Khan when JC says "labour's now managed to get a Muslim in as London Mayor" (or words to that effect)

A bit like Ricky Gervais, look here's my brown friend, do a little dance and wear you hat brown friend.

AAGR

811 posts

111 months

Thursday 29th September 2016
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Wait a minute, something awful has gone wrong. We haven't heard from JayKnee yet ....

Edited by AAGR on Thursday 29th September 22:21

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